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Pet Rock Band posted:Actually the FBI guy said there were reasons to believe he had "Islamic Terrorist leanings". And the way the local cop jumped in to say they were sure he "wasn't local" makes me believe the killer had to be some shade of brown, unfortunately. Well drat, Trump commentary on how this proves he's right by the end of the day then.
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PST posted:Well drat, Trump commentary on how this proves he's right by the end of the day then. Noon.
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PST posted:Well drat, Trump commentary on how this proves he's right by the end of the day then. Alternatively, the NYT said that the club bills itself as "Orlando's Latin Hotspot" and that it hosts "Upscale Latin Saturdays" so there's a possibility that this could end up looking very bad for the Trump set once all the facts come out. I'm not gonna speculate about a tragedy that is actively being investigated, but 'mass shooting in Latin night club in central Florida with possible hallmarks of planned terrorism and improvised bombs' sounds way likelier to have been committed by a white nationalist than an Islamic extremist. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Alternatively, the NYT said that the club bills itself as "Orlando's Latin Hotspot" and that it hosts "Upscale Latin Saturdays" so there's a possibility that this could end up looking very bad for the Trump set once all the facts come out. Yeah when I hear "Gay Latinos attacked in Orlando Club" I think "Someone from Jacksonville took a roadtrip" before Islamic Terrorism.
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Jun 12, 2016 13:10
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/741965111968075776 Shocked the phrase "Islamic Terrorism" is missing. Maybe his interns ?
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Crain posted:Yeah when I hear "Gay Latinos attacked in Orlando Club" I think "Someone from Jacksonville took a roadtrip" before Islamic Terrorism. They've already hinted at it being Islamic terrorism, so buckle in!
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Pet Rock Band posted:Shocked the phrase "Islamic Terrorism" is missing. Maybe his interns ? No, no, his interns do the offensive ones. That's gotta be Trump himself.
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fknlo posted:They've already hinted at it being Islamic terrorism, so buckle in! Well I've heard it two different ways now. Both Domestic Terror and Islamic Terror have been stated/hinted at. So I'm done till like, monday next week when maybe someone's figured something out.
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Crain posted:Well I've heard it two different ways now. Both Domestic Terror and Islamic Terror have been stated/hinted at. So I'm done till like, monday next week when maybe someone's figured something out. Sorry that I'm not more specific but I didn't note the names/titles of these people, but one officer with the OPD specifically said it was being investigated as "domestic terrorism," then the next one after him said that they didn't know if it was domestic or "foreign." At this point there's a lot of confusion and until they clarify, which they'll hopefully be able to do at 9:30, we really don't know.
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Crain posted:Well I've heard it two different ways now. Both Domestic Terror and Islamic Terror have been stated/hinted at. So I'm done till like, monday next week when maybe someone's figured something out. Domestic terror can be Islamic.
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Let's spin the wheel of shooters and see what motive comes up. Evangelical infuriated by godless heathens? Wannabe ISIS with easy access to firearms? White supremacist building the wall ahead of time on the club's Latin night? Oh, I'm sorry, this is America. It's mental illness. Sorry.
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Sharkie posted:Sorry that I'm not more specific but I didn't note the names/titles of these people, but one officer with the OPD specifically said it was being investigated as "domestic terrorism," then the next one after him said that they didn't know if it was domestic or "foreign." At this point there's a lot of confusion and until they clarify, which they'll hopefully be able to do at 9:30, we really don't know. Oh yeah no I'm not blaming you or anything. It's just that after the UCLA shooting where people were reporting this huge assault, then it turned out the dude was dead after shot #2, I'm going to just balk at the first sign that no one on scene has figured anything out. Which I should have always done really since no one ever knows anything in situations like this till days later. Kurtofan posted:Domestic terror can be Islamic. Fair enough.
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Teddybear posted:Let's spin the wheel of shooters and see what motive comes up. Evangelical infuriated by godless heathens? Wannabe ISIS with easy access to firearms? White supremacist building the wall ahead of time on the club's Latin night? Only if it's options 1 or 3.
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Teddybear posted:Let's spin the wheel of shooters and see what motive comes up. Evangelical infuriated by godless heathens? Wannabe ISIS with easy access to firearms? White supremacist building the wall ahead of time on the club's Latin night? It's only mental illness if the shooter is white/Christian. Expect it to be triple ISIS if the guy ever ate a falafel.
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drat do I love d&d libs being wrong in the morningquote:The FBI is investigating the Orlando attack and have said that the attacker may have "leanings" to Islamic extremism. http://news.sky.com/story/1710712/orlando-nightclub-terror-attack-leaves-20-dead (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:drat do I love d&d libs being wrong in the morning Sorry we went with the most parsimonious interpretation?
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Sorry we went with the most parsimonious interpretation? That's a weird word haha, but I'm thinking Christian and Islamic extremism are both pretty parsimonious. Again, good word though I don't know what it means.
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rkajdi posted:It's only mental illness if the shooter is white/Christian. Expect it to be triple ISIS if the guy ever ate a falafel. Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:drat do I love d&d libs being wrong in the morning So it could still be that, right?
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CBS News has identified the shooter as an Omar Mateen, a US citizen from a community about 120 miles away from the shooting location.
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:drat do I love d&d libs being wrong in the morning That still doesn't absolve white people. White people can be Muslim and all extremist terrorism is a response to unchecked white privilege. Go be a trumpeter somewhere else.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:CBS News has identified the shooter as an Omar Mateen, a US citizen from a community about 120 miles away from the shooting location. So "he's not from around here" was technically correct! There's apparently some pretty strong arzying going on over this like a piddly 20 gun deaths in June will make a huge difference in November 
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All I'm saying is, we should stop Muslims from coming to the country til we figure out what's going on! I guess it's time for conservatives to suddenly care a whole lot about LGBT people. Edit: Yeah no this won't move Trump's numbers an inch, everyone's used to mass shootings by now. You need something spectacular like 9/11 and even then it's not a guarantee it'll actually help Trump.
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Antti posted:All I'm saying is, we should stop Muslims from coming to the country til we figure out what's going on! I wonder if anyone will talk about how no one cares about gun deaths if the perpetrator isn't a Muslim if Trump tries to really push this?
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This was written after Sandy Hook and is probably the best explanation of America's relationship with guns I've ever read. Our Moloch. "The gun is not a mere tool, a bit of technology, a political issue, a point of debate. It is an object of reverence. Devotion to it precludes interruption with the sacrifices it entails. Like most gods, it does what it will, and cannot be questioned. Its acolytes think it is capable only of good things. It guarantees life and safety and freedom. It even guarantees law. Law grows from it. Then how can law question it?"
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Radbot posted:I'm glad strict gun control prevented the Paris attacks from happening Single payer GunCare. Mandatory guns for every single human within the borders of The United States of America. Mandatory open AND concealed carry. Loaner guns handed out at border crossings and Airport customs line. Ammunition delivered yearly along with the phone book. Replace all Flags with a carpet of live cartridges.
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Radbot posted:I'm glad strict gun control prevented the Paris attacks from happening I'm glad there's a mass shooting every couple of days or so in France like there is in America. Moloch is pleased with your piety, Radbot.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:He tweeted about the add mentioning him making fun of the reporter now?! Like, over a week after it came out? With a sick typo. Moch. If his entire response to any op ad is "nun uh! YOURE the loser!!!!!" He's gonna have a bad time. I'm surprised GOPe hasn't attempted to take Twitter away from him. Or maybe they have and it was just unsuccessful.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the perpetrator found out a friend or relative was gay and knew they frequented the club which is why they targeted it. Regardless of religion, this is obviously a hate based crime against gays. I'd much rather have a conversation about how GLBT people are still discriminated against and in danger in this country than a stupid religious debate.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm really looking forward to my town being used as a political prop for the next few weeks. Hon you live in Orlando, it's been a prop for something or another roughly since its founding.
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greatn posted:I wouldn't be surprised if the perpetrator found out a friend or relative was gay and knew they frequented the club which is why they targeted it. Regardless of religion, this is obviously a hate based crime against gays. I'd much rather have a conversation about how GLBT people are still discriminated against and in danger in this country than a stupid religious debate. Discrimination vs discrimination & death. Hard to decide which is more important
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nimh posted:Discrimination vs discrimination & death. Hard to decide which is more important One follows the other
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