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Fat Shat Sings: Jan 24, 2016

Wrecked Angle posted:

Browsing through the comments I saw this gem which I'm sure other ex-Eve players will enjoy...

Yes, using cost as a balancing mechanism always works fantastically well in vidya games.

I'm glad this guy is either Chris Roberts or a psychic since he knows information nobody could possible know.

That's my favorite backer cult talking point. "You seem to be mistaken, Everything will work exactly like this......."

THERE IS NO GAME. CIG HAS NO IDEA HOW THIS STUFF WILL WORK. HOW DO YOU?

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:34

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Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

KiddieGrinder posted:

I used to think this, my parents got a dog recently and every time I see him he's sleeping. I always thought dogs were ones always up for playing and always running around being energetic; I don't think that anymore.

Depends on the dog. The German Shepard in my family absolutely loves to move around. Same with my landlords dog, super energetic and loves to play.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:35

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Dante80 posted:

Thanks for that. I'm wondering whether Popehat (Ken) would be eager to write something about it..maybe as a part of the whole TOS system debate. I remember him doing an article on SC back in 2015.

Someone should contact them..

Reading the actual legislation, it's pretty clear just how bad this ToS is. It wouldn't even be considered to be a valid contract as it simply is just too unfair on the end user. It creates a significant imbalance of rights and obligations between the two parties and would cause detriment to the end user if it were relied on or applied.

Also, the way they try to obfuscate the nature of the purchase by using "pledge" and the associated language would also strongly influence a court against CIG in any judgement.

Just look at this list in the legislation and see if anything below might be in the new ToS:

quote:

25 Examples of unfair terms

(1) Without limiting section 24, the following are examples of the kinds of terms of a consumer contract that may be unfair:

(a) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party (but not another party) to avoid or limit performance of the contract;

(b) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party (but not another party) to terminate the contract;

(c) a term that penalises, or has the effect of penalising, one party (but not another party) for a breach or termination of the contract;

(d) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party (but not another party) to vary the terms of the contract;

(e) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party (but not another party) to renew or not renew the contract;

(f) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party to vary the upfront price payable under the contract without the right of another party to terminate the contract;

(g) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party unilaterally to vary the characteristics of the goods or services to be supplied, or the interest in land to be sold or granted, under the contract;

(h) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party unilaterally to determine whether the contract has been breached or to interpret its meaning;

(i) a term that limits, or has the effect of limiting, one party's vicarious liability for its agents;

(j) a term that permits, or has the effect of permitting, one party to assign the contract to the detriment of another party without that other party's consent;

(k) a term that limits, or has the effect of limiting, one party's right to sue another party;

(l) a term that limits, or has the effect of limiting, the evidence one party can adduce in proceedings relating to the contract;

(m) a term that imposes, or has the effect of imposing, the evidential burden on one party in proceedings relating to the contract;

(n) a term of a kind, or a term that has an effect of a kind, prescribed by the regulations.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:36

Gumbel2Gumbel: Apr 28, 2010

One thing I'm seeing a lot is that people are claiming the original $6 Million funding goal was for SQ42. And that the persistent universe was added on later and why it's taking so long.

Wasn't SQ42 a $40 million stretch goal?

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:37

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

LastCaress posted:

so many bugs they come from the future

No no, he's just a fast typer.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:39

Maw: Feb 18, 2013; Mere minutes after discovering the new technology, it was used to send me a crude ASCII dong.

One of my dogs is 13, and deaf now. He's the sweetest most affectionate dog though, and I just spent half an hour hugging him because of this thread. Thanks thread.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:43

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Fat Shat Sings posted:

I'm glad this guy is either Chris Roberts or a psychic since he knows information nobody could possible know.

That's my favorite backer cult talking point. "You seem to be mistaken, Everything will work exactly like this......."

THERE IS NO GAME. CIG HAS NO IDEA HOW THIS STUFF WILL WORK. HOW DO YOU?

Citizens believe CIG will eventually hook up different landing zones, with procedural planets, space repair stations, FPS locations, derelict space wrecks, asteroid mining and still have those little pods you can play arena commander in. Currently CIG struggle to get enough players into an instance as a normal Overmatch game where they might get 20 FPS if lucky, the technology to seamlessly move between instances does not appear to exist, players type in chat begging others to come to the security outpost so they experience the joy of a combat system not one tenth as interesting as Quake, a game that's 20 years old and can run on a raspberry pi.

AP fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Jun 12, 2016

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:46

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

AP posted:

so they experience the joy of a combat system not one tenth as interesting as Quake, a game that's 20 years old and can run on a raspberry pi.

And runs smoother than this horrible Frankenstein of code could ever dream of.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:49

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Scientists have never been able to photograph this dog sans-blur. She is simply too energetic and demanding of scratches.

Mika is a good dogge, and thread should like all cattes and dogges.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:49

Sabreseven: Feb 27, 2016

Just to add to the thread, I lost my catte to an incurable illness last Sunday, much sadness lately.

R.I.P. Butters :negative:

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:57

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

FILE UNDER: "Oops, we forgot to put Fun in the game..."

https://m.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4nq9dg/is_it_just_me/

Is it just me posted:

"Is it just me that's having trouble finding fun on 2.4? I was so hyped and it just doesn't seem very good at all."

Guy who spent $500+ on spaceships posted:

"If I had above 20 fps I'd enjoy it....

I need a new CPU. That I5-4690K isn't cutting it."

No it's not just you posted:

"Yeap, I have this every patch. The progress is so slow. In big lines, the difference between now and 6 months ago is very small. It's kinda worrying to be honest, it looks like they can't get the fundamentals stable and well performing."

"It's not fun, it's [i posted:

IMPORTANT[/i]"]
I don't think many of the new features are necessarily "fun" features. Shopping, loadout persistence, earning aUEC from missions, and paying for repairs are, of course, all extremely necessary parts of the game even if they are not fun in isolation.

Personally I enjoy the ICC probe missions and exploring, which are still basically the same."

G0RF fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jun 12, 2016

# ? Jun 12, 2016 15:58

Valcione: Sep 12, 2007; For All Brave Silpheed Pilots

Goobs posted:

I think I would regret not going and I don't want him to feel alone when he goes. It's going to loving suck but I'm going to go in.

Good. I didn't go in when my beloved husky was put down for cancer. I was just a little kid at the time, but I've regretted it for years.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:06

Danknificent: Nov 20, 2015; Jinkies! Looks like we've got a mystery on our hands.

CeeJee posted:

Star Citizen - Cry ENGINE and let slip the TOS of war

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:09

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

CeeJee posted:

Star Citizen - Cry ENGINE and let slip the TOS of war

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:11

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

Well this dogge is alive well and very energetic

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:13

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Coolguye posted:

Well this dogge is alive well and very energetic

Pro dogge

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:15

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Ohtsam posted:

The new TOS is making neogaf turn on the game in a big way

I am in the mood to touch the poop. Got link?

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:16

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Jobbo_Fett posted:

This is funny to me.

The buggy nature of the game;
The downright antagonistic attitude of customer support;
The lack of progress;
The dumb (web)shows;
The lack of knowledge displayed by THE LORD OF SHIPS;
The embarrassing goofs and fuckups (Khartu-Al seats, <nobody talks to THE LORD OF SHIPS);
The broken promises and outright lies (E3, Star Marine)

But no, its the new loving TOS that has people worried Star Citizen may not get released.

You're all loving stupid if you waited until the new TOS.

^this

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:16

Tokyo Sexwale: Jul 30, 2003

CIG/F42 will close up shop, lock the doors, CR/Sandi/Ortwin/Erin will flee to a non-extradition country. Some of the backers will go "you know, I'm starting to think it's possible the game won't be out as promised".

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:19

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:28

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Jason Sextro posted:

CIG/F42 will close up shop, lock the doors, CR/Sandi/Ortwin/Erin will flee to a non-extradition country. Some of the backers will go "you know, I'm starting to think it's possible the game won't be out as promised".

Pfffft. It's called refactoring the management team.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:31

Berious: Nov 13, 2005

orcinus posted:

Waht.

The idea they'll try to partially refund everyone when the project fails is the most outlandish shitizen fantasy yet.

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:32

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

D_Smart posted:

I am in the mood to touch the poop. Got link?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1155452&page=80

# ? Jun 12, 2016 16:34

orcinus: Feb 25, 2016; Fun Shoe