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Xae posted:This shooting wont matter in a month because none of the other mass shootings mattered a month afterwords. You're wrong because classrooms full of dead kids won't help Republicans but a Democrat Islamic Terrorist attacking the Gays does.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The dude in LA apparently told police outright that he was going to the Pride parade so I think he can safely figure out his motives.
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Jun 12, 2016 19:55
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When are we gonna stop killing each other 
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kill everyone, it's the only way to prevent all this violence
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I will say if it turns out that the attempted LA pride bomber is a white evangelical, the dueling narratives will be interested to watch play out
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Jun 12, 2016 20:00
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I don't see "radical Islam" in either one of those statements. Think I'm gonna have to vote Trump in the general.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:01
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Epic High Five posted:I will say if it turns out that the attempted LA pride bomber is a white evangelical, the dueling narratives will be interested to watch play out Sorry buddy the media (outside of slate) will forget about the LA dude and there won't be any dueling narrative.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:02
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Here's what the place he worked at does:
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Jun 12, 2016 20:03
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I'm going to be pissed if On The Media cheaps out and just replays their "Mass Shooting News Consumer Handbook" and their "Act of Terror News Consumer Handbook"
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Jun 12, 2016 20:04
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Trabisnikof posted:Sorry buddy the media (outside of slate) will forget about the LA dude and there won't be any dueling narrative. We've got another 3 weeks of Pride festivals to go, it'll come back up, especially if he turns out to be an evangelical which the LGBT is less quick to forgive than the media at large
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Jun 12, 2016 20:04
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Xae posted:This shooting wont matter in a month because none of the other mass shootings mattered a month afterwords. My pretend ability to defend my home against nonexistent invaders is far more important than your schoolchildren.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:04
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Joementum posted:Here's what the place he worked at does: Whoa, "Federal" security? Sounds like a FALSE FLAG in the making Joe! Thanks for the heads up! You mentioned it before, but now I'm certain that InfoWars will be on the case before too long.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:05
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Bashez posted:Even after he pledged to ISIS somehow his religion is off limits to you. You can condemn homophobia while refusing to indulge in Islamophobia. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Jun 12, 2016 20:06
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How about all three, Bernie?
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Jun 12, 2016 20:07
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it's interesting that people are arguing about whether to blame religion, or politics, when the number one correlative factor between mass shooters is that they're all men. and i don't see men apologizing for their extreme violence as a minority group
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Jun 12, 2016 20:10
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's interesting that people are arguing about whether to blame religion, or politics, when the number one correlative factor between mass shooters is that they're all men. and i don't see men apologizing for their extreme violence as a minority group I apologize for all men
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Jun 12, 2016 20:11
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The Glumslinger posted:I apologize for all men thank you for having the courage to speak out against male violence when so many cowardly men do not
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Jun 12, 2016 20:12
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Popular Thug Drink posted:thank you for having the courage to speak out against male violence when so many cowardly men do not Not all men 
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Jun 12, 2016 20:13
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Epic High Five posted:We've got another 3 weeks of Pride festivals to go, it'll come back up, especially if he turns out to be an evangelical which the LGBT is less quick to forgive than the media at large Pride events carry on into late August, even in big cities, so it won't end for the summer.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:15
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I mean, would it have been too much for him just to say Radical Islam just to cut off all the inevitable faux outrage over him not doing so? Honest question. Obama is doing exactly the right thing, and I applaud him for not giving into Republican requests to say the three magic words that they think will make all scary people vanish into the Phantom Zone.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:16
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cheese eats mouse posted:You can condemn homophobia while refusing to indulge in Islamophobia how is this not hard? Given Muslims' proclivity to murder people for their religious beliefs and the widespread tolerance of it as a religion I think Islamophobia is a rational belief. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Joementum posted:Here's what the place he worked at does: holy poo poo he worked for G4S??  for days
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Bashez posted:Given Christians' proclivity to murder people for their religious beliefs and the widespread tolerance of it as a religion I think Christianphobia is a rational belief. You're an idiot.
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fade5 posted:Remember, the people currently stomping ISIL in the nuts in Iraq and Syria (and Libya) are largely Muslim. I'm curious though; for people who want him to say it, what is their reasoning? What difference does it really make? There is only negative backlash that can come from doing it.
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Bashez posted:Given Muslims' proclivity to murder people for their religious beliefs and the widespread tolerance of it as a religion I think Islamophobia is a rational belief. men murder far more people than muslims, misandry is a rational belief men should be banned from owning firearms until they can prove that they are responsible, mature adults
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Jun 12, 2016 20:20
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I was wrong. It would have been a bad idea for him to say it.
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TBeats posted:I'm curious though; for people who want him to say it, what is their reasoning? What difference does it really make? There is only negative backlash that can come from doing it. they think that there's this massive islamic terror threat destroying america that obama is ignoring, they think this because they are racist cowards but also anything obama does is the wrong thing. if obama said it they'd be just as mad at him for not saying it sooner. nothing obama can do will make these people happy which is why grown ups ignore them
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Jun 12, 2016 20:21
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cheese eats mouse posted:You can condemn homophobia while refusing to indulge in Islamophobia how is this not hard? You have to twist yourself into a pretty hosed up pretzel to pretend Islam itself isn't homophobic though, in theory and in practice. So is Christianity of course, but I don't recall Paul putting gay people to death by knocking over stone walls on them or throwing them off buildings (as Abu Bakr and Ali did). Western liberalism is in a weird place where its adherents have to defend the rights of both gay people and the people who believe in a religion that says gay people should be killed, and it does so largely by pretending the latter issue doesn't exist or is just a fringe view when it comes to Islam. It actually is a fringe view in Western Christianity now because adherents with those hosed up views were educated, challenged and resisted (which is obviously preferable to illiberal responses like blanket bans), but 21st Century liberals seem to struggle to understand what to do when two minority communities come into conflict, as Europe has already proven with its pathetic failure to protect its Jewish community from violence.
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Sinteres posted:You have to twist yourself into a pretty hosed up pretzel to pretend Islam itself isn't homophobic though, in theory and in practice. So is Christianity of course, but I don't recall Paul putting gay people to death by knocking over stone walls on them or throwing them off buildings (as Abu Bakr and Ali did). Western liberalism is in a weird place where its adherents have to defend the rights of both gay people and the people who believe in a religion that says gay people should be killed, and it does so largely by pretending the latter issue doesn't exist or is just a fringe view when it comes to Islam. It actually is a fringe view in Western Christianity now because adherents with those hosed up views were educated, challenged and resisted (which is obviously preferable to illiberal responses like blanket bans), but 21st Century liberals seem to struggle to understand what to do when two minority communities come into conflict, as Europe has already proven with its pathetic failure to protect its Jewish community from violence. islam isn't homophobic and it's silly for you to use bigotry to justify bigotry. at best this argument leads us to conclude you're not better than the people you hate
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FBI and ATF just gave a presser. The FBI had interviewed the shooter twice over the past few years in regard to terrorist links, but was not currently surveling him. ATF says that they have tracked the weapons used and that they were recently purchased directly by the shooter.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:23
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Joementum posted:Here's what the place he worked at does: This reads like a dystopian ad. "You can order our products, which include people."
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Jun 12, 2016 20:23
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Sinteres posted:. It actually is a fringe view in Western Christianity so ISIS and extreme wahhabism Saudi-style aren't fringe views eh?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I was wrong. It would have been a bad idea for him to say it. Yea it's a thing where at first it feels like a 'wait why does this matter just say the meaningless words so they stop whining' thing, but then you realize 'oh wait this isn't actually about the words at all is it'.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:islam isn't homophobic and it's silly for you to use bigotry to justify bigotry. at best this argument leads us to conclude you're not better than the people you hate I don't hate Muslims any more than I hate Christians. Believers of either faith who stick to what their religion actually says about gay people are awful, and need to be taught that homophobia isn't acceptable in a modern society.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I was wrong. It would have been a bad idea for him to say it.  And you were willing to admit you were wrong, that's always a good thing to be able to admit.
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Sinteres posted:You have to twist yourself into a pretty hosed up pretzel to pretend Islam itself isn't homophobic though, in theory and in practice. So is Christianity of course, but I don't recall Paul putting gay people to death by knocking over stone walls on them or throwing them off buildings (as Abu Bakr and Ali did). Western liberalism is in a weird place where its adherents have to defend the rights of both gay people and the people who believe in a religion that says gay people should be killed, and it does so largely by pretending the latter issue doesn't exist or is just a fringe view when it comes to Islam. It actually is a fringe view in Western Christianity now because adherents with those hosed up views were educated, challenged and resisted (which is obviously preferable to illiberal responses like blanket bans), but 21st Century liberals seem to struggle to understand what to do when two minority communities come into conflict, as Europe has already proven with its pathetic failure to protect its Jewish community from violence. Get more people in the Christian community condemning and putting a stop to people like Kevin Swanson and Westboro and this argument would probably be a good deal less hollow A lot of Christian anti-LGBT violence in particular isn't talked about because it's legal in a lot of places they've successfully enacted Talmudic Law, stuff like camps where kids are sent to be raped until they're straight or commit suicide It's an issue any religion with people who feel the need to attach "fundamentalist" to it has
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Sinteres posted:I don't hate Muslims any more than I hate Christians. Believers of either faith who stick to what their religion actually says about gay people are awful, and need to be taught that homophobia isn't acceptable in a modern society. what do those religions actually say about gay people. enlighten us, please
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ColdPie posted:My pretend ability to defend my home against nonexistent invaders is far more important than your schoolchildren. unironically agree
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