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Shimrra Jamaane posted:In better news Ken Burns is a pretty cool dude A pretty cool dude in pretty desperate need of a new barber. Do he and Mark Davis see the same guy?
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I mean it's not literally impossible because yea no poo poo there are reactionaries in any group, but no I don't think Trump is going to see a massive swell in gay support, if only because poo poo like 'thanks for congrats' makes it very clear exactly who number one is to him even as he pretends to care about us getting shot.
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semper wifi posted:i wonder what could have been accomplished if people focused on realistic solutions instead of legislate legislate legislate pass bills now!!! I'd like to hear what your realistic solution to this is then.
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Jun 13, 2016 06:48
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Oh god, this might be the terrorist act that Trump will ride into office 
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Freakazoid_ posted:Oh god, this might be the terrorist act that Trump will ride into office This will be totally forgotten by that time.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Oh god, this might be the terrorist act that Trump will ride into office Yes because the people most knee jerky about dirty Muslims weren't already voting for him and willing to crawl over broken glass to do it.
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Jun 13, 2016 07:14
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It's another shooting (although a very big shooting) and the victims were LGBT so it's going to be a muddled mess and not cause a huge shift in the polls. Some Trump leaners may jump to the Trumpwagon and we can start Arzying over the next few polls though. I expect some kind of "40% of likely voters say this made them more likely to vote Republican in the fall" poll to show up and cause a lot of heartburn. It's kind of like the Paris thing. People attribute Trump's rise to Paris but he was actually performing as strongly in the polls before Paris. It just fits the narrative that it was caused by Paris because it's comforting to think that voters react to things and events instead of them just being this mostly unshiftable block of demographics.
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Jun 13, 2016 07:18
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CelestialScribe posted:Will be interesting to see if Trump support rises after this. He congratulated himself on being "right" about "Islamic Terrorism" instead of offering condolences, which probably galvanized his base of angry white dudes, but clearly pissed everyone else off. So probably not.
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Antti posted:It's another shooting (although a very big shooting) and the victims were LGBT so it's going to be a muddled mess and not cause a huge shift in the polls. Some Trump leaners may jump to the Trumpwagon and we can start Arzying over the next few polls though. I expect some kind of "40% of likely voters say this made them more likely to vote Republican in the fall" poll to show up and cause a lot of heartburn. People attributed Trump's rise to the Paris attacks? I've never heard of this theory before.
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You also have to consider Trump's response that'll likely include all the hatred, fear mongering, and such that most people will see as a blatant grab for votes. Instead of the more human thing of condolence. Y'all remember Romney after Benghazi? It'll be worse than that because Trump.
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Antti posted:It's another shooting (although a very big shooting) and the victims were LGBT so it's going to be a muddled mess and not cause a huge shift in the polls. Some Trump leaners may jump to the Trumpwagon and we can start Arzying over the next few polls though. I expect some kind of "40% of likely voters say this made them more likely to vote Republican in the fall" poll to show up and cause a lot of heartburn. Also Trump did not see a single increase in his polling after the Brussels attack despite tons of talk that it would help him. He maxed out on his support from the racist white demographic back last December when he called for the Muslim ban. Kro-Bar posted:People attributed Trump's rise to the Paris attacks? I've never heard of this theory before. From the moment he entered the race last July he was polling the highest of every single Republican candidate. Oftentimes it wasn't even close. But in October he actually fell behind Ben Carson for about a week until even realized Ben Carson is a legit crazy person. So he was on an upward trajectory going into November when the one two punch of Paris and San Bernadino happened. He then made his declaration that all Muslims should be barred from entering the country and every single dog whistle racist rear end in a top hat jumped over to his camp and propelled him upwards. So he was already the most popular candidate and was getting more popular but those attacks accelerated things. He got a ton of would be Cruz and Jeb! supporters that may have been otherwise more hesitant to go for Trump because he doubled down on the racist beliefs that they had previously restrained themselves from publicly voicing. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Maybe I'm misremembering but there was definitely at least a lot of handwringing, like today, after Paris. Again, it's because people want to think that one, voters actually react to current events, and two, if Trump's popularity is derived from ephemeral "madness of the moment" that subsides once whatever caused it is forgotten, it means there actually isn't a large swath of the voting public that's racist (they're just "temporarily racist" or something I guess?).DemeaninDemon posted:You also have to consider Trump's response that'll likely include all the hatred, fear mongering, and such that most people will see as a blatant grab for votes. Instead of the more human thing of condolence. Y'all remember Romney after Benghazi? It'll be worse than that because Trump. I still remember seeing him smirk as he walked away from the podium thinking he's got this thing in the bag and I had this visceral reaction of "I hope you lose, you motherfucker."
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Yeah Romney smirk is the most disgusting political picture of the last 15 years. Worse than purple heart bandaid.
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One thing is that from the names released a lot of the deceased are Hispanic, which is unsurprising given that it was in Orlando. Even less so that the current de-emphasis that this was a hate crime directly aimed at the LGBT community it will not be part of the narrative that most of the victims were "rapists" to Trump.
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Lid posted:He might get support from elements of the LGBT community. now. loving lol LGBT Americans skew heavily Democratic, and Hillary is a bit of a gay icon in that she's regarded as a consistent supporter of LGBT rights, someone who is never afraid to call it like it is w/r/t LGBT persecution. Fifty people are dead and another fifty-odd injured in the deadliest shooting in American history, targeted at a large gay nightclub during Pride weekend. Maximum fabulous fish in a barrel. The LGBT community loving hates Trump, or at the least is apathetic to politics in general. "A Muslim slaughtered a bunch of gays in the name of ISIS, surely this will boost Trump's support in the LGBT community." No, very much not.
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Jun 13, 2016 08:00
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Lid posted:One thing is that from the names released a lot of the deceased are Hispanic, which is unsurprising given that it was in Orlando. Also it was Latin Night in the club that night.
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Jun 13, 2016 08:01
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There's also the fact that Trump's "Muslim ban" proposal would have done jack poo poo to stop this, seeing as how the guy was a native-born US citizen.
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INH5 posted:There's also the fact that Trump's "Muslim ban" proposal would have done jack poo poo to stop this, seeing as how the guy was a native-born US citizen. What about his "track all Muslims by
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INH5 posted:There's also the fact that Trump's "Muslim ban" proposal would have done jack poo poo to stop this, seeing as how the guy was a native-born US citizen. Stop using facts.
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Jun 13, 2016 08:08
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Yeah it was apparently Latin Night at the club so the people murdered were those who are doubly despised and poo poo on by Republicans.
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Jun 13, 2016 08:12
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So the guy with guns at LA pride is bi, so expect all mention of this story to fade away quickly.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:What about his "track all Muslims by
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Beck occasionally throws out liberal/leftish bones so he can have the illusion of being the adult in the room/be the "reasonable" regressive shitheel. My favorite was 9/12 poo poo when Stewart and Colbert had their DC event and Beck said he was sorry for adding to the culture of hate and anger.
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Jun 13, 2016 08:28
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So how long until at least one of the victims gets proven to be undocumented because at this pace Trump might have no way to answer his sudden friendliness with the illegal homosexual Mexican community.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:(SedanChair, if you have your inspirational post saved about how Hillary will crush the GOP and drive them before her, I'd appreciate it. I dug this out  quote:Warren is also very conservative, but she actually comprehends the severity of the crisis, the effects of regulatory capture and how inequality is going to gently caress over our national security and position of dominance. Obama comprehends it but has seen that he can't prevail over it. And he's a man who gained the presidency, that's how much influence he wields. He is governing against a Republican party that is in full revolt constantly, against himself as much as it is against him. And it sickens him to have to try and cut a deal with these peckerwoods, these simpering shitbirds across the table acting like they'll deliver votes to him in congress. Who wouldn't be sickened? literally who in the pages of history would not be sickened, trying to cut deals with these backstabbing jumped up furniture salesmen and chiropractors who presume to lecture him on his tone. Obama never had the taste for it, the love for it that would let you submit repeatedly to such abuse.
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Just a reminder to everyone that this is what trump said after the attack. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976 And he shows no signs of letting up. Yeah he's going full Romney on this.
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NewMars posted:Just a reminder to everyone that this is what trump said after the attack.
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Lid posted:Give it a day and ideal victim theory will take over. Benghazi worked because the victims played into the narrative. Its not going to work talking one side of the mouth of blaming Obama while then having to refrain from demonising homosexuals and/or hispanics. It will fail fast. When I said full Romney, what I meant was this:  .txt. Trump's first reaction to the shooting is self-congratulatory. If he continues on that tack at his rally, he's likely to say or do something that makes Romney up there look like a model of sincerity.
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More info is trickling out about this guy's past.quote:Jasmine Kalenuik, a Palm City resident, encountered Mateen at PGA Village about eight months ago at the gatehouse. So yes, it's increasingly looking like this guy was Not Right In The Head.
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NewMars posted:When I said full Romney, what I meant was this: Oh of course, when i say ideal victim theory i mean that to try and use this to advantage means also Trump has to deify the victims. He cant do that. Physically or mentally. If he wants to try and capitalise on this he would need to stop attacking the lgbt community and immigrants. It aint gonna happen.
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Trump's relatively alright with the gays though. I think this will give him a noticeable bump in polls. Hope it doesn't happen again a month before the election
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INH5 posted:There's also the fact that Trump's "Muslim ban" proposal would have done jack poo poo to stop this, seeing as how the guy was a native-born US citizen. Native born US citizen with no prior criminal or mental health records, as reported so far. Working in a job that supposedly requires fairly stringent background checks. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Liquid Communism posted:Native born US citizen with no prior criminal or mental health records, as reported so far. Working in a job that supposedly requires fairly stringent background checks.
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Samurai Sanders posted:"Supposedly" has got to be the key word here. Yeah, it's G4S. They're an absolute nightmare company.
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Samurai Sanders posted:"Supposedly" has got to be the key word here. Yeah it's looking more like, the more we hear, the worse the ball got dropped with this guy on a lot of levels. His coworkers all complain, but none of them nor his superviors thought an armed guard with huge anger issues 'known for his cursing, diatribes and verbal slurs toward gays and African Americans' to the point that he caused incidents at his last two postings was enough of a problem to maybe act on. His ex-wife says she was beaten, but she never apparently pursued domestic abuse charges so he was never flagged there. It's a shitfest on so many levels.
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INH5 posted:More info is trickling out about this guy's past. I don't know, from the article I mainly get the impression he was a huge misogynist creep and wife-beating rear end in a top hat.
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Liquid Communism posted:Yeah it's looking more like, the more we hear, the worse the ball got dropped with this guy on a lot of levels. We're not blaming the wife here are we? Don't think so but I want to make sure. Blaming an abuse victim is not cool.
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The way I see it, it's his employer that should have caught this the most. He's an adult and away from his parents so I don't blame them, it's his wife's call about how to deal with his abuse of her, the FBI did their job like they should have; it's not like they can follow someone around just for being an angry jerk unless they can prove their connection to known terrorists. But a security company that gives him a gun and the responsibility to use it should have done better.
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DemeaninDemon posted:We're not blaming the wife here are we? Don't think so but I want to make sure. Blaming an abuse victim is not cool. God no. It's just lovely that she didn't feel safe in pushing for domestic abuse charges against someone who was beating her. The employer is bullshit because they were specifically employing the guy as armed security despite reportedly erratic and threatening behavior.
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