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Coohoolin posted:I'm in the UK but some people were really enjoying the Bernie train. Any truth to this at all? It's plenty true and her tone was a bit lovely but on the other hand it's Literally What Defense Attorneys Are Supposed To Do. The adversarial system doesn't work if the defense attorney can throw the match because they personally believe their client is guilty / a poo poo person. If she hadn't done her utmost to get him off the hook, and the bar association found out, she could and should have been disbarred. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:It's plenty true and her tone was a bit lovely but on the other hand it's Literally What Defense Attorneys Are Supposed To Do. The adversarial system doesn't work if the defense attorney can throw the match because they personally believe their client is guilty / a poo poo person. The onion already covered this under "man passionate defend of what he imaginations the constitution to be." Everybody gets those rights me boyos, EVERYBODY.
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Leofish posted:What's interesting to me is now we're going to see people, who have historically spent their political careers in America blocking LGBTQ people from having privileges and rights, now pivoting their positions into becoming champions of that same group, because they want harder to kill the people who resemble the guy who just killed them.  And a bonus on the- Jesus loving Christ why- collection   I'm sure you've all seen it by now but good lord.
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Jun 13, 2016 01:16
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Coohoolin posted:I'm in the UK but some people were really enjoying the Bernie train. Any truth to this at all? The quote isn't real. She didn't laugh about getting the dude off. She got him a plea bargain after police mishandled evidence. What she laughed about in an interview years later was how she made the dude take a polygraph and he passed, which destroyed her faith in them.
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Leofish posted:What's interesting to me is now we're going to see people, who have historically spent their political careers in America blocking LGBTQ people from having privileges and rights, now pivoting their positions into becoming champions of that same group, because they want harder to kill the people who resemble the guy who just killed them. This is what I have been saying, if you are part of a LGBT advocacy group then you need to help push your local and federal representatives to put their money where their mouth is and support non-discrimination bills.
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Jun 13, 2016 01:47
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From a few pages back but if I saw a dude wearing that "socialism is for fags" shirt I would assume they were a gay man who was passionate about socialism much like how when I see a dude in a DARE shirt I assume they are passionate about smokin' blunts.
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Jun 13, 2016 02:23
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Man, Drudge must be covered in sweat from all the furious typing he's been doing today. Dude had covered his page in anti-Muslim bullshit something fierce.
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Sir Tonk posted:Man, Drudge must be covered in sweat from all the furious typing he's been doing today. Dude had covered his page in anti-Muslim bullshit something fierce. Had to laugh at the one headline "DRAG QUEENS AT PULSE"
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Jun 13, 2016 02:41
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Rhjamiz posted:The quote isn't real. She didn't laugh about getting the dude off. She got him a plea bargain after police mishandled evidence. What she laughed about in an interview years later was how she made the dude take a polygraph and he passed, which destroyed her faith in them. Also if you actually listen to the recording it's totally a 'haha man gently caress everything right' kinda laughter. Like she's talking about how this obviously guilty man got off because he gamed a gameable system and it was her job to be sure that happened because of that whole constitutional right to a fair trial and all. Like, if you've never heard a defense lawyer laugh bitterly about a case I'm willing to bet you don't actually know any!
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Jun 13, 2016 02:58
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GreyjoyBastard posted:It's plenty true and her tone was a bit lovely but on the other hand it's Literally What Defense Attorneys Are Supposed To Do. Also not a thing she actually said. edit: fb. But I had a link!
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Jun 13, 2016 03:28
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Sarcastr0 posted:Also not a thing she actually said.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Thanks all for correcting me on the truthiness of the quote. A great way to sniff out bullshit quotes is to remember she is a legit nice person whose personal motto is: "Hillary Clinton's motto posted:
It's a frequent saying in Methodist churches and she is a devout Methodist. She doesn't talk about religion much but does now and again if asked about it. Like here: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/25/hillary-clinton-gets-personal-on-christ-and-her-faith/ Hillary Clinton posted:
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McAlister posted:A great way to sniff out bullshit quotes is to remember she is a legit nice person whose personal motto is: For what it's worth, I read the original, apocryphal line as "I am a good defense attorney and, at least, proud of that" and the laugh as bitter-ish. Thanks for that article though! Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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She seems like a wacko jacko religious nut. I've never seen her to be that. Sad 
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That's actually a very touching personal expression of faith. I'm genuinely interested in hearing more.
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Shbobdb posted:She seems like a wacko jacko religious nut. I've never seen her to be that. Sad yeah man she sounds sooooo nutty talking about loving other people and all that wacko jacko poo poo
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GreyjoyBastard posted:For what it's worth, I read the original, apocryphal line as "I am a good defense attorney and, at least, proud of that" and the laugh as bitter-ish. Oh. Sorry. Dealing with the endless character assassination directed at her and the general willingness to believe extraordinary claims with no evidence gives me an itchy posting finger.
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Capfalcon posted:That's actually a very touching personal expression of faith. I'm genuinely interested in hearing more. Her biographies usually go into it to some extent. One of them had a series of letters she wrote to her pastor over 20 years starting in college asking his advice when she started realizing she couldn't be a Republican anymore and didn't feel comfortable talking about it with her parents. My google foo is failing me I think it was PBS that had a lot of letter snippets. But this article sums it up. http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/25/politics/clinton-methodist-minister/
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Shbobdb posted:She seems like a wacko jacko religious nut. I've never seen her to be that. Sad Despite what you might think from hearing Walsh and his ilk, you can be religious without being a crazy rear end in a top hat.
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Jun 13, 2016 14:37
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50 dead and 50 wounded: The price of unregulated guns in the US. How the gently caress was this guy able to purchase a gun when he had a history of being investigated by THE loving FBI for terrorist sympathies? Where was the "good guy with a gun" when the shooting went down? Oh wait, this was a gay club, so they had it coming, right?
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Xibanya posted:From a few pages back but if I saw a dude wearing that "socialism is for fags" shirt I would assume they were a gay man who was passionate about socialism much like how when I see a dude in a DARE shirt I assume they are passionate about smokin' blunts. I don't know what upsets me more, that actual shirt, or the fact that they won't fully spell that word. I mean, I see it a lot with right-wing/conservative reactionary paraphernalia. They'll sell bumper stickers that say "f#ck off, we're full", or "Priuses are for p*ssies" (I just made that up). I wish I could explain it better, but I feel like it demonstrates a vast disconnect (or maybe I'm just talking out of my rear end).
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Vargatron posted:50 dead and 50 wounded: The price of unregulated guns in the US. Vargatron posted:Where was the "good guy with a gun" when the shooting went down?
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Vargatron posted:50 dead and 50 wounded: The price of unregulated guns in the US. To be fair, I don't think it's good to have your rights taken away just because the government suspects you of anything, including terrorism. Imagine a Trump in charge putting all muslims on the suspect list and suddenly their rights are taken away. I don't think there should be a constitutional right to have guns, but while it's there it's there.
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mojo1701a posted:I wish I could explain it better, but I feel like it demonstrates a vast disconnect (or maybe I'm just talking out of my rear end). You see it on full display with freep; I attribute it to cowardice mostly. They've got these atrocious, even monstrous opinions, but they're not bad people because they don't use swears, not like those awful liberals.
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McAlister posted:A great way to sniff out bullshit quotes is to remember she is a legit nice person whose personal motto is: Fuckin' bible beaters, right, guys?
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They complain about PC Culture but are to muck of a chicken to actually say the words they are told they can't say.
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Shbobdb posted:She seems like a wacko jacko religious nut. I've never seen her to be that. Sad This is a really limp gimmick.
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http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/13/the-orlando-attack-is-what-actual-homophobia-looks-like/ as dave weigel points out, the latest Hot Take from a right-winger is that only murder qualifies as homophobia. other stuff (refusing service, etc) is just "a reasonable response to the deficiencies of gay culture"
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So only 50 people suffered homophobia in the attack and the other 53 are just whiny entitled liberals?
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Keeshhound posted:You see it on full display with freep; I attribute it to cowardice mostly. They've got these atrocious, even monstrous opinions, but they're not bad people because they don't use swears, not like those awful liberals. BigRed0427 posted:They complain about PC Culture but are to muck of a chicken to actually say the words they are told they can't say. I don't think it's just a right-wing thing, though. I've seen women with a bumper sticker or facebook post about being proud of being a "b*tch!" or something like that. I hope this isn't a derail, but I find this idea fascinating. It's like, attitude, but rated PG.
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Capfalcon posted:That's actually a very touching personal expression of faith. I'm genuinely interested in hearing more. Yea like said she's pretty lowkey on it but her writing about it in her books is genuinely a very humanizing and touching part of them.
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The latest I'm seeing is people posting stuff from Infowars and other conspiracy theorist sites that the shooter was a registered Democrat. Of course they'd jump to that conclusion.
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Jun 13, 2016 15:58
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Helen Highwater posted:Because limiting the ability of anyone ever to buy a gun is a tyrannical over-reach that is exactly the same as the Holocaust. Technically asking what color they want their AR-15/.22/whatever is a breach of the 2nd Amendment, but it's OK because it's actually Good Customer Service.
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Zanzibar Ham posted:To be fair, I don't think it's good to have your rights taken away just because the government suspects you of anything, including terrorism. Imagine a Trump in charge putting all muslims on the suspect list and suddenly their rights are taken away. I realize there there is a slippery slope argument that goes along with regulation, but in my opinion, if you're on a no-fly list or have had a mental event in the past 6 months you shouldn't be able to purchase a gun without being appropriately licensed and registered. At a certain point if you're under investigation on the Federal level they at least have to have enough evidence to pursue it. It's not as if he put a bunch of "Obama Bad" meme's on his Facebook, but the government had reason to believe he had terrorist sympathies. Granted they didn't find anything substantial, but that should have been a major red flag when he went to purchase the weapons. I'm not saying BAN ALL GUNS, but if we licensed and examined people for responsible gun use and ownership, it would help prevent or mitigate a massacre like this. The problem is that we're not even engaging in any dialogue at all about gun violence. It's so politically toxic that we can't even talk about ways to come up with a solution.
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Wooten posted:All bad people are automatically registered as Democrat. Does anyone have the giant image of all of Fox News's mislabeled D-RINOs? My favorite highlight is McCain before his 2009 run being a D.
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The no-fly list is a good example of a terrible thing that takes people's rights away for no reason (oh you have the same first name as a suspected terrorist? No flying for you!), and you don't even know you're on the list until you try to fly, and you can't check why you've been put on the list and from what I understand it's really hard to fight against. If they don't have enough evidence to get you to court then they shouldn't be able to take away your rights, and even then there should be a strict time limit put on it unless you're found guilty and a heavier punishment is appropriate for the crime.
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emdash posted:http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/13/the-orlando-attack-is-what-actual-homophobia-looks-like/ gently caress this. gently caress this author for the topic. gently caress you for posting it. gently caress these disingenuous bile dripping hypocrites. A lot more of us are dying in hospitals and on the streets and in our homes as a result of policies placed response to "the deficiency of gay culture" every week than this one rear end in a top hat with a gun could ever manage. 40% of homeless kids are LGBT. 40% of trans people have attempted suicide. 30% of bisexual women live in poverty. HIV rates are highest amongst Black and Latino men who have sex with men. We are dying and these fucks can barely acknowledge that we are dying when we're murdered all at once rather than bit by bit. We are dying and it is just as intentional.
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Guns are bad. The second amendment is actively terrible and is part of the evil legacy of slavery in this country. Using shady legal arguments to selectively strip "undesirables" (in this case, Muslims and the mentally ill) of their legal rights is worse. Especially when, demographicly speaking, those groups aren't the ones doing mass shootings.
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