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FrozenVent posted:Didn't Howard Hughes get into that business like forty years ago? Whatever happened with that? That was just a cover story for a CIA-sponsored attempt to retrieve a sunken Soviet nuclear submarine from the seafloor, an attempt which was impressive as gently caress from an engineering standpoint but only partially successful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian
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To go one level deeper the very public failure of Azorian may have been a cover for a successful ROV mission and also a cover for Nixon paying off Hughes.
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Apparently they got a couple nuclear torpedoes and a codebook out of it so I'm not sure how thats anything other than a complete success considering the circumstances.
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hobbesmaster posted:Apparently they got a couple nuclear torpedoes and a codebook out of it so I'm not sure how thats anything other than a complete success considering the circumstances. Because they could have had the whole thing but they hosed it up.
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Allegedly.
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Platystemon posted:Because they could have had the whole thing but they hosed it up. There's conflicting reports on whether they even hosed it up or not. Apparently the ships' bell was returned to the Russians, which is decidedly not located in the section that is widely believed to have been the only part recovered. Anyone ever read Red Star Rogue? It goes into the reason for the Soviets losing the submarine in the first place, and posits (a mostly-unprovable, whack job) theory that the crew was attempting an unauthorized launch on Pearl Harbor when they accidentally detonated a weapon while it was still in the tube due to anti-tamper systems on the weapon, leading to the loss of the submarine. It presents a TON of circumstantial evidence, but it's a pretty good read, despite its inability to prove its own point. Also touches on the loss of USS Scorpion, a few months later. It should be number three on your Cold War submarine reading list, after The Silent War, and Blind Man's Bluff.
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Isn't there some theory that K-129 was rammed by an American sub, and in response the Soviets sent an Echo II to sink Scorpion?
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All lost Russian subs are rammed by an American sub until proven otherwise, and sometimes even then.
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Sperglord Actual posted:All lost Russian subs are rammed by an American sub until proven otherwise, and sometimes even then. "proven" As you can see comrade, this overhead satellite view clearly shows the evil imperialist aggressors causing the incident. Next on Russia Today, NATO: evil alliance, or most evil alliance?
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iyaayas01 posted:"proven" "By Pladimir Vutin."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"By Pladimir Vutin." This post and av combo makes me want to see a Scottish supervillain named Plaid the Impaler on Venture Bros. Or Plaid Dracul. (Jefferson Twilight: "I can't kill him! He's not a blackula! He's got stripes like a goddamn zebra, I can't tell if he's coming or going!") Meanwhile, on topic: I hope James Cameron goes crazy and starts doing crazy poo poo like the Glomar Explorer, since he's into oceanic research. Elon is more likely to have the technical chops to pull it off, but going down the Howard Hughes route unless he actually makes it to Mars, in which case I give it even odds that the whole thing goes down like Apocalypse Now.
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LostCosmonaut posted:Isn't there some theory that K-129 was rammed by an American sub, and in response the Soviets sent an Echo II to sink Scorpion? Intentionally ramming another sub seems kinda dangerous, like what if our sub also gets damaged and we also die, or do you get like a bull bar fitted to the sub when you're going out on one of these missions? 
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iyaayas01 posted:"proven" Those perfidious imperialists and their very interestingly scaled submarines!
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iyaayas01 posted:"proven" Breaking new! The homo-nazis have taken over the US by voting into office the first female president, Putin says an intervention may be required to protect all Russian speaking people being oppressed by the US government and the imperialist NATO forces.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Intentionally ramming another sub seems kinda dangerous, like what if our sub also gets damaged and we also die, or do you get like a bull bar fitted to the sub when you're going out on one of these missions? The theory was accidental collision last I heard. It's not impossible there was an American sub in the area but the gigantic explosion kind of, well, who knows what does Conspiracy Theory people think.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Intentionally ramming another sub seems kinda dangerous, like what if our sub also gets damaged and we also die, or do you get like a bull bar fitted to the sub when you're going out on one of these missions? They key is ramming with little enough damage to your own sub so you don't have to surface and get caught!
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Rotacixe posted:They key is ramming with little enough damage to your own sub so you don't have to surface and get caught! It's basically like an underseas pit maneuver.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Intentionally ramming another sub seems kinda dangerous, like what if our sub also gets damaged and we also die, or do you get like a bull bar fitted to the sub when you're going out on one of these missions? American submarines are actually triremes, they're designed for that sort of poo poo.
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iyaayas01 posted:"proven" The capitalist running dog submarine cleverly disguised itself as a Korean airliner in an attempt to deceive the vanguards of the revolution and escape.
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This is how submarines run into each other (maybe).
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It certainly is baffling when it happens, amirite 
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Kesper North posted:It certainly is baffling when it happens, amirite Did you feel extreme pressure to make a submarine pun?
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Blistex posted:Did you feel extreme pressure to make a submarine pun? Knowing Kesper, I doubt the pressure was overly crushing.
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What can I say. I love going punderwater. Wherever there's puns to be made, I'll be there with bells on. Diving bells. ...Was that enough puns, or should I turn the screws harder? I mean, I'd make more in this post... but you guys would torpedo that idea.  
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Also:Blistex posted:Did you feel extreme pressure to make a submarine pun? Fearless posted:Knowing Kesper, I doubt the pressure was overly crushing. 
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We're getting flooded by dad puns. How could this thread sink so low?
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Smiling Jack posted:Rifters is by the same guy who wrote Blindsight? Added to reading list. All his back catalog is available under CC license (feel free to print your own paperback, just don't sell or edit it without permission) on his website, if you're poor/some kinda Commie prevert who doesn't believe in paying royalties/can't find it in stores. It's been long enough I'm considering reading the trilogy a third time. It's pretty good for crap scifi. I love the idea of augmented-reality contact lenses (we've dipped our toe in those waters with Google Glass, it's only a matter of time until the tech is sufficiently miniaturized to make Molly Millions' mirrorshades unnecessarily invasive), but the line that really stuck with me was the description of coming back up to sea level from the depths: "It's a little like being unkicked in the stomach." Props to Watts (and similarly Baen, when he was alive) for realizing that sci-fi has a limited sales life, and once you've made what money you're going to off a novel you might as well give it away in order to get people interested so they'll buy your new book. (My hardcover first edition of the last of John Ringo's less-rapey trilogy came with a CD of everything Baen had published until then, and it was available online until Jim Baen died; nowadays the online free library still exists but is somewhat reduced. "Conn, Sonar, Crazy Ivan!" Apparently it's A Thing, but not quite as much as you'd expect from the movies --  the exterior shots in Hunt For Red October, with the boats are close enough for boarding, and the torpedoes are going at WWII speeds -- the Mk 48 has a range of 24 miles at 55 knots (31 miles at slower speed), and a flight time of 20-45 seconds at the fast/slow max ranges.
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Cat Mattress posted:We're getting flooded by dad puns. How could this thread sink so low? But do you have the balls to drop the ballast? You're being in-pun-dated! Your fate has already been seamented... I'm sorry, I'll stop. It's hard once I get going. Edit for content: I find that Rifters holds up well to rereading, though I do also find it more and more depressingly realistic as time goes on.
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He's got a couple of quite good military sci-fi shorts...The Colonel, Collateral, and Malak all have some interesting things to say about our current world The Colonel also has a tie-in with the Blindsight/Echopraxia universe
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Quick, initiate an emergency blow before this thread sinks any deeper. Torpedo.
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Did someone say “emergency blow”?
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Delivery McGee posted:The Mk 48 has a range of 24 miles at 55 knots (31 miles at slower speed), and a flight time of 20-45 seconds at the fast/slow max ranges. There's no way that's correct, that's over a mile a second.
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BrownieMinusEye posted:There's no way that's correct, that's over a mile a second.
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I got to take my kids to the grand opening of the new building 4 at the National AF museum this past weekend. I have always loved going there and they enjoyed it as well. I never saw the YF-23 in person. But I would say it is a fine looking aircraft. I almost like its looks better than the F-22 that was also there.  But really this is what made my day. 
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A year back I went to see the other YF-23 at the Western Museum of Flight. Thing was sitting in a corner of the airfield at the time on some gravel and I got to get under it and take a close look. Was striped down but still pretty great. YF-17 was right there too.
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There's no 'almost' about the YF-23 looking better than the Raptor. And it's not like the Raptor is ugly, I'm just saying. 
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I think the YF-23 was better looking than the YF-22. But operational F-22's have that finished and ready to go look that puts them above the unfinished prototype look of the YF-23 for me.
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Psion posted:And it's not like the Raptor is ugly, I'm just saying. It's ok when flying but it looks like a fat toad when on the ground.
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So anyone read this 2017 War With Russia Which is apparently a General John Hacket does WW3 for the 21st century and has mixed reviews.
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Kesper North posted:But do you have the balls to drop the ballast? You're being in-pun-dated! Your fate has already been seamented... I think you're going a bit overboard with the puns, and they don't really have much depth. I guess I'm trying to say your gimmick is dead in the water. kill me now posted:I think the YF-23 was better looking than the YF-22. But operational F-22's have that finished and ready to go look that puts them above the unfinished prototype look of the YF-23 for me. Apparently the "vectored thrust" (more manoeuvrable) was the factor that really put it ahead, although like most Lockmart contracts, it was assumed that the decision was made before the competition started. The 23 allegedly had better stealth characteristics and when both of them still had the "YF" designation the 23 had a slightly faster Max Speed/supercruise than the 22 and a significantly greater range as well.
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