gently caress You And Diebold posted:This is some high quality concern trolling. Have y'all considered we just haven't been nice enough? We could try being nice! It'll totally work There's a difference between disagreeing and being critical, and being hateful about it.
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TBeats posted:There's a difference between disagreeing and being critical, and being hateful about it. Why would I want to be coy about the fact that I hate bad people?
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DemeaninDemon posted:Exactly. It's not even civil discussion at that point it's a game of making poo poo up to fit a narrative. Not bending the facts. Completely ignoring them. The only answer to that sort of mentality is a giant gently caress off.
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TBeats posted:This is, coincidentally, a case of losing sight of the forest for the trees. It is our first amendment right to be huge pricks to everyone that isn't 95% inline with my ideology, race, orientation, and income level.
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Lemming posted:Why would I want to be coy about the fact that I hate bad people? How far has it gotten you? Or would you say things have progressively gotten worse?
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Periodiko posted:The Republican Party has abandoned parliamentary politics. "Working with you" is not a part of their current strategy. The only thing that is going to change that is if their current strategy becomes less effective. Acquiescence is not a winning tactic in this scenario. The past 8 years are evidence of this. If you think that the correct conclusion is that we should all strive to emulate the bolded part as much as possible, I think you're missing the point they were trying to make.
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TBeats posted:How far has it gotten you? Or would you say things have progressively gotten worse? If we just be nice to the Republicans they will start being nice too and stop oppressing us and trying to ruin our children's environment and income and healthcare so the rich can be slightly richer.
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The idea behind civil discourse is that maybe you can come to some sort of mutual understanding and find some common ground on which to govern. There is no common ground between "only fully unrestrained capitalism is true freedom" and "taxes, regulation, and government investment are good and necessary for a healthy and functional society". Or between "gay people deserve the same rights as straight people" and "no they don't". Or "Muslims deserve the religious protections as all others in this country" and "throw them out, banish their children, religious purity tests for all". The problem isn't that we are divided in our discourse and that prevents us from finding common ground, it is that we are divided ideologically, and that prevents us from finding common ground. The discourse is a symptom of the ideological divide, not the other way around. And make no mistake, one of these ideologies is poisonous and mean-spirited and exclusionary at it's very core, and treating it like it deserves serious consideration is much more damaging than saying mean words about it, and the people who espouse it.
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TBeats posted:This is, coincidentally, a case of losing sight of the forest for the trees. Post less and lurk more.
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socialsecurity posted:If we just be nice to the Republicans they will start being nice too and stop oppressing us and trying to ruin our children's environment and income and healthcare so the rich can be slightly richer. Do you think democrats would respond better or worse if the GOP wasn't such assholes to them?
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Evil Fluffy posted:Post less and lurk more. No
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TBeats posted:
thx. Not really anything i was expecting! I thought you'd either be really young or old enough to be outside "millenial." But anyway, here's my admittedly anecdotal experience: I have a bunch of ultra-conservative relatives. The kind that leave Fox News on in their house all the time, even if they're not watching it. They know that my wife and I are left-wingers. They consistently refer to all democrats as idiots to our faces. It is literally impossible to have a debate with them; they just talk over you, or insist they are right because they are older. They are not interested in any fact-based points you might have to make. So at the end of the day I just avoid bringing up anything political. I've learned there's nothing to be gained from it--which is the opposite end of the spectrum from "gently caress those guys" all the time, but with the same result. Point being, there's nothing to be gained either way. It is not that any one person is going to make the country more divided, or even a trend of behavior on an internet forum or on Facebook or Twitter. There are systemic issues that have caused extreme political polarization of the populace, and frankly I don't believe being nice/polite on the internet will advance anything. I think your perspective is admirable but I honestly can't imagine how you're holding on to it after 28 years.
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TBeats posted:How far has it gotten you? Or would you say things have progressively gotten worse? I feel like I'm far less likely to get strung up and pulled behind a truck for wanting to kiss dudes than I was 15 years ago, which is an improvement.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Post less and lurk more. If Tbeats stands for nothing then what will he fall for?
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TBeats posted:How far has it gotten you? Or would you say things have progressively gotten worse? Lmao Maybe if Obama had just tried to compromise more with the Republicans, it would have worked!!! Look buddy, do you have any evidence to back up the idea that being nice to people with different political opinions than you is effective in persuading them? Because I know that personally the times that I've been forced to examine what I believe it's largely been the result of being shocked into doing it.
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In retrospect, the civil war was actually pretty uncivil. Kind of a weird name, yea? Maybe abolitionists should have just talked it out with slave owners, maybe tried to see their side of things and ultimately they could have come to a peaceful solution, like maybe they could keep some slaves, but only if they promised to say nice things to the slaves and be polite to them.
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So, seeing rumors that Mateen was actually a regular at Pulse and had a profile on a gay dating sight?
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CommieGIR posted:So, seeing rumors that Mateen was actually a regular at Pulse and had a profile on a gay dating sight? Where are you seeing these "rumours".
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CommieGIR posted:So, seeing rumors that Mateen was actually a regular at Pulse and had a profile on a gay dating sight? where? doesn't seem to be catching anywhere reputable yet, but that's just based on googling his name on news.google.com
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Lemming posted:Lmao I didn't say Obama hasn't been screwed by republicans. I'm saying that the more hate you throw at republicans, the more staunch they will be in their opinions. I'm not speaking about politicians primarily, I'm mostly speaking about the voting public. The type who will be voting in November that could legitimately put someone like Trump in office.
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emdash posted:where? doesn't seem to be catching anywhere reputable yet, but that's just based on googling his name on news.google.com Well, there's this https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/742475540720848897
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Well poo poo. This is the way this is going to spin out " Self Hating Gay kills other Gays". It's on Gawker right now.
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TBeats posted:I didn't say Obama hasn't been screwed by republicans. I'm saying that the more hate you throw at republicans, the more staunch they will be in their opinions. I'm not speaking about politicians primarily, I'm mostly speaking about the voting public. The type who will be voting in November that could legitimately put someone like Trump in office. Yes, and you're claiming that that's 1) true without evidence and 2) that somehow this is happening on a wide scale on SomethingAwful. Both of things which are, you know, bad assumptions.
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emdash posted:where? doesn't seem to be catching anywhere reputable yet, but that's just based on googling his name on news.google.com Here's one of the top stories on my Google News feed, if the Orlando Sentinel is reputable: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html
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emdash posted:where? doesn't seem to be catching anywhere reputable yet, but that's just based on googling his name on news.google.com Only name a recognize reporting it is Gawker, so I'd wait for confirmation.
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Trying to get people on the internet to be nice to one another while arguing about politics is like trying to swim your way back up the Niagara falls
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http://abc7ny.com/news/man-orlando-gunman-used-dating-app-to-ask-about-gay-clubs/1383103/quote:Kevin West said the shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, contacted him three months ago through a dating app called Jack'd.
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It's like the hand washing scene from MacBeth except it's news orgs bemoaning that no matter how hard they scrub, the gay just won't go away. There's gay below the gay here, they may be forced to admit this is a story more complicated than swarthy cantaloupe-calved men in turbans wading onto our shores with curved swords
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Trying to get people on the internet to be nice to one another while arguing about politics is like trying to swim your way back up the Niagara falls And the whole time your goal is to get further downstream
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:You have to have a reason to own a gun Who determines what is a valid reason to own a gun? I doubt it will be anybody who knows jack poo poo about firearms or the gun culture in America. Its like letting white people decide who's a "real" black person or something.
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Lemming posted:Yes, and you're claiming that that's 1) true without evidence and 2) that somehow this is happening on a wide scale on SomethingAwful. Both of things which are, you know, bad assumptions. Maybe I should have been more clear in my first post about this but my criticism wasn't limited to Something Awful. "I think people should just be nicer to each other." "UHHHH CAN YOU PROVIDE PROOF OF THAT???" What? Here's your proof: I tell you to gently caress off right now. Are you more or less likely to respond negatively?
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I wonder if the shooter trying to get information about gay bars and such has more to do with figuring out where he was going to do his shooting spree rather than being secretly gay?
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Numlock posted:Who determines what is a valid reason to own a gun? I doubt it will be anybody who knows jack poo poo about firearms or the gun culture in America. Its like letting white people decide who's a "real" black person or something. Lots of gun culture in America is diseased beyond belief and should be excised, OP
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Numlock posted:Who determines what is a valid reason to own a gun? I doubt it will be anybody who knows jack poo poo about firearms or the gun culture in America. Its like letting white people decide who's a "real" black person or something. Are you currently engaged in war with anti-american forces and need lethal force to maintain your current military posture? Wait, what do you mean yes?!
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TBeats posted:Maybe I should have been more clear in my first post about this but my criticism wasn't limited to Something Awful. Yeah still don't have a problem with being an rear end in a top hat by telling some HFC blow hard to gently caress off.
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Mad Hamish posted:I wonder if the shooter trying to get information about gay bars and such has more to do with figuring out where he was going to do his shooting spree rather than being secretly gay? That's what it looks like to me at the moment.
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I've got the perfect 2 point plan. We outlaw guns so only outlaws have guns then we outlaw being in jail QED
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emdash posted:http://abc7ny.com/news/man-orlando-gunman-used-dating-app-to-ask-about-gay-clubs/1383103/ Mad Hamish posted:I wonder if the shooter trying to get information about gay bars and such has more to do with figuring out where he was going to do his shooting spree rather than being secretly gay? Wow fast ninja there.
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