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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Pochoclo posted:All the x-percentile-by-income statistics are very misleading because they don't account for obscene accumulation of capital. Someone with several dozen million pounds in the bank making a passive yearly income of 100k without lifting a finger is in an entire different ballgame than someone like me.
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Jun 14, 2016 07:24
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Zephro posted:I didn't say you were in the top 2% of wealth, I said you were in the top 2% of income. Which you are. I didn't say you said wealth, I was just clarifying that it's misleading because it is. Can we go back to making fun of tories destroying the country now? Renaissance Robot posted:If other remain voters are anything like me they just don't see being vocal about it. I'm not really enthusiastic for Remain, I'm just against Leave, but any workplace argument on that would just be me going "every reason you're citing for Leave is literally untrue" while they say "nuh-uh!". I just hope that's the case with most Remain voters, and that's the reason the media is making so much noise about Leave. Sort of a squeaky wheel effect. I hope at the end of the day the large mass of people who are not furiously defending ARE SOVERENITY on the internet just wake up, go "haha nope not destroying the economy today" and vote and Remain wins with 70% and we can have another year of idiots crying about a rigged vote from their comfortable, non-Mad-Max UK. Otherwise I call dibs on "Westfield Fortress" Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 07:27
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Milotic posted:Short of unexpected events, I still think we'll see a swing back to remain on the day. And once again I say the weather will be the deciding factor. If the weather next Thursday is like it was yesterday it'll end up Leave. The Brexiteers care more, and more of them will go out in pissing rain to take back ARE CUNTRY than people putting a cross next to "Eh, it ain't perfect but pfft". I think this is why Leave have been shooting themselves in the foot with poo poo like that "Vote Leave or ISIS will come and shoot you all" because that's the sort of thing that mobilises your passive opposition far more than it does your passive support.
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Jun 14, 2016 07:33
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Remain isn't the kind of thing that excites people into passionate outbursts like Leave does.
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Jun 14, 2016 07:35
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Milotic posted:Short of unexpected events, I still think we'll see a swing back to remain on the day.
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Jun 14, 2016 07:39
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I've seen a lot of Remain posters around Cambridge and even a couple of EU flags.
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Jun 14, 2016 07:41
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Also on the question of immigration, jobs and the Remain position, a lot of is involves talking about the general benefits of migration. This is a good summary: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/immigration-demons-and-academic-evidence/ The trouble is it doesn't directly address people who worry that their jobs are at risk. It basically amounts to saying "immigration imposes few costs at a national scale and generates plenty of benefits like lower prices and better services that tend to be diffused through the population". Which is almost certainly true but doesn't directly address the fact that some people are worried about very specific, non-diffuse drawbacks, like losing their jobs. The counter-argument probably should be along the lines of "if that does happen, we have a well-funded and effective welfare state to cushion the blow and offer retaining and other opportunities". But we can't have that because BOOTSTRAPS and SCROUNGERS so no-one makes the argument.
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Jun 14, 2016 08:01
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The Sun here bravely taking a stand if and only if the polls are in its favour: https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/742508539755761665
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Jun 14, 2016 08:19
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Zephro posted:Also on the question of immigration, jobs and the Remain position, a lot of is involves talking about the general benefits of migration. This is a good summary: The people most concerned about immigration are pensioners tho. I think it's basically wrongheaded to think that current chat about immigration is particularly related to its material effects...
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Jun 14, 2016 08:19
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goddamnedtwisto posted:And once again I say the weather will be the deciding factor. If the weather next Thursday is like it was yesterday it'll end up Leave. The Brexiteers care more, and more of them will go out in pissing rain to take back ARE CUNTRY than people putting a cross next to "Eh, it ain't perfect but pfft". BBC are calling that it's going to rain itself out this week and be moderately warm and dry next week. Their long term forecasts aren't always great though, so we'll see. I'm optimistic.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:14
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Renaissance Robot posted:BBC are calling that it's going to rain itself out this week and be moderately warm and dry next week. Is this before or after they were forced by the government to stop getting their weather info from the met office?
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Jun 14, 2016 09:16
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Pochoclo posted:Remain wins with 70% Get the Commons to really tear at each other.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:16
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Renaissance Robot posted:If other remain voters are anything like me they just don't see being vocal about it. I'm not really enthusiastic for Remain, I'm just against Leave, but any workplace argument on that would just be me going "every reason you're citing for Leave is literally untrue" while they say "nuh-uh!". Yep. The young working class all seem in favour of leave for sure.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:18
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Jose posted:Is this before or after they were forced by the government to stop getting their weather info from the met office? gently caress I forgot about that. In any case met are calling the same, showers on the east coast but dry nearly everywhere else.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:20
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In news that will surely decide the referendum, hipster mainstay Pitchfork have come out with an article fairly strongly arguing that Brexit will harm the UK music industry, presumably because Remain is now the less popular option and thus has more indie cred. Do people even read pitchfork anymore outside of whatever the three most quickly gentrifying neighbourhoods in america are i don't know
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Jun 14, 2016 09:23
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Guavanaut posted:This but 51% A razor-thin win for remain would be the best possible outcome. The Tories would rip themselves to pieces.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:23
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Angepain posted:The Sun here bravely taking a stand if and only if the polls are in its favour: I'm interested the Sun have so overtly gone for Leave. Murdoch papers - especially the red-tops - have always been quite careful to hedge their bets then go all-out when they're certain they know who the winner is, because it helps them cement their reputation as election-winners. I know they've been a non-stop torrent of pro-Leave propaganda since the start but they've generally been hiding behinf the fig-leaf of "No see we're just reporting news", to have an editorial piece so pro-Leave is a big gamble for them. Oh god a 51% Remain will not only destroy the Tories it'll gently caress up the Sun too. This could be the gift that keeps giving.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:31
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Taear posted:Yep. The young working class all seem in favour of leave for sure. Plenty of Remain stuff around in Durham/Newcastle. Quite a bit of Leave stuff around in the latter, not so much in the former (all of it from Tory students as far as I can tell)
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Jun 14, 2016 09:32
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Angepain posted:In news that will surely decide the referendum, hipster mainstay Pitchfork have come out with an article fairly strongly arguing that Brexit will harm the UK music industry, presumably because Remain is now the less popular option and thus has more indie cred. Do people even read pitchfork anymore outside of whatever the three most quickly gentrifying neighbourhoods in america are i don't know quote:The vote is on the Friday morning of iconic music festival Glastonbury, quote:If Britain leaves the EU, we could find ourselves outside of the Schengen Agreement, Cerv fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 09:34
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You wouldn't know there was a referendum going on around Teesside.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:40
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Plenty of Remain stuff around in Durham/Newcastle. Quite a bit of Leave stuff around in the latter, not so much in the former (all of it from Tory students as far as I can tell) Oxford is full of Remain as well. I think I've already had something like 16 leaflets from them? Haven't seen any Leave but I'm sure they're around somewhere.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:42
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A bit of may and maybe june tricks you into thinking we actually have a summer in this country. Now we are all reminded.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:47
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The Sun are preaching to the choir. All they've done is ensure Liverpool fans will vote Remain.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:48
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Cerv posted:With quality journalism like this I don't understand why no one reads Pitchfork anymore Funeral was a pretty good album though, and furthermore, uh
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Jun 14, 2016 09:48
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Angepain posted:In news that will surely decide the referendum, hipster mainstay Pitchfork have come out with an article fairly strongly arguing that Brexit will harm the UK music industry, presumably because Remain is now the less popular option and thus has more indie cred. Do people even read pitchfork anymore outside of whatever the three most quickly gentrifying neighbourhoods in america are i don't know
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Jun 14, 2016 09:52
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Some of the betting agencies are offering 5/4 on brexit, and it's still shortening...jesus christ http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result
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Jun 14, 2016 09:55
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I thought the football thing might sway a few people that are on the fence or leaning towards leaving but you don't really hear about it (this article is from last year). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/brexit-europe-eu-decimate-premier-league-footballers-data
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Jun 14, 2016 09:55
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We should stay in the EU because of Britain's mighty and economically-vital golf industry (which is about the same size as the music industry)
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Jun 14, 2016 09:56
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Jippa posted:I thought the football thing might sway a few people that are on the fence or leaning towards leaving but you don't really hear about it (this article is from last year). People are not stupid enough to vote Leave/Remain on the basis of whether Sheffield Wednesday might need to find a new striker.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:58
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Zephro posted:People are not stupid enough to vote Leave/Remain on the basis of whether Sheffield Wednesday might need to find a new striker. I'd disagree and say people are too stupid to consider even the most mundane realities of what they're voting for and instead are going entirely on gut feeling and prejudice
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Jun 14, 2016 10:00
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Spangly A posted:I'd disagree and say people are too stupid to consider even the most mundane realities of what they're voting for and instead are going entirely on gut feeling and prejudice
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Jun 14, 2016 10:01
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Zephro posted:
Lots of people just don't give a poo poo either way.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:05
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New John Harris film, on Brexit voters in Stoke-on-Trent: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2016/jun/14/labour-supporters-brexit-stoke-on-trent-eu-referendum-video edit: no-one mentions football or Adele edit2: though someone (who used to vote Labour and now votes UKIP) does mention that "Europe is about a borderless mass of cheap labour for transatlantic corporations" Zephro fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 10:08
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Private Speech posted:Oxford is full of Remain as well. I think I've already had something like 16 leaflets from them? Haven't seen any Leave but I'm sure they're around somewhere. Remain dudes canvassing at the train station too.  I suspect anywhere super studenty is going to have more visible Remain people.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:10
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Zephro posted:New John Harris film, on Brexit voters in Stoke-on-Trent: And everyone screams about the immigrants. Even the immigrants. People are so small.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:20
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~~Magical Brexit Tracker~~ That's like a razor's edge there. Odds of Brexit up to 33% from 25%.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:23
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yeah i went to peace in the park in sheffield which is a hippy free music festival and there were loads of people handing out stuff for in, not seen much else (apart from myself going round shoving leaflets through letter boxes obv)
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Jun 14, 2016 10:27
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Zephro posted:Also who cares about a downturn in the UK music industry in the grand scheme of things, The people who work in the UK music industry? From a quick google, that's apparently around 120 thousand people directly employed.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:28
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Undead Hippo posted:The people who work in the UK music industry? From a quick google, that's apparently around 120 thousand people directly employed.
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Jun 14, 2016 10:32
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Fortunately for me Cattle Decapitation are playing in Derby on the evening of the vote Nothing like going to a depressing Midlands industrial town and listening to a death metal band rant about the impending death of humanity to take the edge off a Brexit vote
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