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https://twitter.com/MaikiSherman/status/742540042753605632 https://twitter.com/MaikiSherman/status/742571102736519168 https://twitter.com/MaikiSherman/status/742571660247597056 Weird how this keeps happening
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The shooter wasn't an immigrant. Good work, Winston.
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Jun 14, 2016 09:34
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:The shooter wasn't an immigrant. Good work, Winston. He knows, he's literally asking for immigration screening to cover the political beliefs and mental health of any future children you might have
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Jun 14, 2016 10:26
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Varkk posted:Police once again showing they don't understand the evidence act and now a domestic abuse case will be thrown out as a result. To be fair, it does sound like the law is a bit out of date with respect to modern technology, and the reasons behind why they were filming statements on site rather than later on are also perfectly valid.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:57
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I think the bigger issue is that his ruling means the body cams supposed to protect us from police are now completely toothless.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:25
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Ghostlight posted:I think the bigger issue is that his ruling means the body cams supposed to protect us from police are now completely toothless. Binkenstein posted:To be fair, it does sound like the law is a bit out of date with respect to modern technology, and the reasons behind why they were filming statements on site rather than later on are also perfectly valid. The thing is there is already well established protocols for handling evidence of this manner. But the police rushed in to something ignoring these rules and protocols and being surprised when it bit them, again. They were even warned before doing it that it would not be admissible in court. Given that this is one of their main areas of operation you would think they would know to get it right every time. There is no reason why they can't gather and store this evidence in a way consistent with the Evidence Act but they didn't in the rush to put this in the field. Once again these rules were put in place for good reasons and we shouldn't dismantle them because it will be easier to do so.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:49
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They were warned and they had very good reason to believe that it wouldn't be an issue - because by Ministry of Justice decree that's exactly how the taser footage has been treated for the last six years, and none of the court cases involving that footage have challenged it under the Evidence Act because the decision largely rests on an incomplete idea of what the determination of a "master copy" is in a digital age.
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Jun 15, 2016 00:16
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I am not that comfortable that the chain of evidence involves retrieving the evidence from a server owned by a private company in a different country. If they had copied the video off the iPhone back at the office, then that's a different story. It loving sucks that the only way to punish the police is to punish a victim of a crime by disallowing evidence as that denies justice to the victim. The police are to blame here though, but, they don't suffer any real consequences! But to allow the evidence also denies justice to the accused, they have a right to a fair trial after all. Maybe the loss of justice for the victims should be weighed up against the loss of justice for the accused somehow - it's unlikely that the evidence was tampered with, so allow the evidence, and come up with a different way to persuade the police to follow the loving law.
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Jun 15, 2016 00:54
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klen dool posted:I am not that comfortable that the chain of evidence involves retrieving the evidence from a server owned by a private company in a different country. If they had copied the video off the iPhone back at the office, then that's a different story. The reason why the footage is being used is because the victim will not testify and wants charges dropped.
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Jun 15, 2016 05:52
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exmachina posted:The reason why the footage is being used is because the victim will not testify and wants charges dropped. Yeah, I read the article as well. Whats your point?
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Jun 15, 2016 08:05
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klen dool posted:Yeah, I read the article as well. Whats your point? I am not saying that the victim is not just that or that the other party does not deserve to be punished but this is the NZP problem and the court process needs to be left alone.
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Jun 15, 2016 09:48
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exmachina posted:I am not saying that the victim is not just that or that the other party does not deserve to be punished but this is the NZP problem and the court process needs to be left alone. It is absolutely an NZP problem, I 100% agree. The court process is there to protect and achieve the ideals we want in our justice system, but I don't think we should leave processes up on a pedestal never to be touched - surely some brainy fuckers can figure out a way to achieve justice for both the victim and the criminal while adhering to the ideals we want to achieve? The process is merely a tool to render justice, not the justice itself. Imagine that the police were able to conclusively prove than in this instance the video has not been tampered with. The justice system could proceed to trial, and everyone is happy, except the police who perhaps get punished somehow. Perhaps everyone involved in this debacle should be prosecuted.
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Jun 15, 2016 12:10
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Donald Trump is speaking literally 3 blocks away from my apt at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta in two hours Traffic is insane and throngs of people already there to be seen countdown to bomb attack nuke sarin chemical jihad isis trigger device detonation etc.
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Jun 15, 2016 15:15
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klen dool posted:It is absolutely an NZP problem, I 100% agree. The court process is there to protect and achieve the ideals we want in our justice system, but I don't think we should leave processes up on a pedestal never to be touched - surely some brainy fuckers can figure out a way to achieve justice for both the victim and the criminal while adhering to the ideals we want to achieve? The process is merely a tool to render justice, not the justice itself. No the point is is that in law you decide something once and then that is now how it goes. So they need the "correct procedure" to be infallible. I would accept it if the hardware stayed in one officer's possession until it could be uploaded to police servers until trial. The way our system works we must let this one go; get a better process, police, and good luck next time
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Jun 15, 2016 17:39
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Jacobin posted:Donald Trump is speaking literally 3 blocks away from my apt at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta in two hours Quite a contrast to how things are done in our poky little island
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81138922/government-has-used-the-financial-veto-to-stop-an-extension-to-paid-parental-leavequote:"Treasury estimates the cost of this legislation amounts to $278 million over the next four years, a significant extra - unbudgeted - cost," English said. So $278m over 4 years ($69.5m/year) is too expensive but $3b of tax cuts is perfectly fine in an election year?
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Jun 16, 2016 03:10
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Yes, keep up.
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Jun 16, 2016 03:31
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exmachina posted:No the point is is that in law you decide something once and then that is now how it goes. So they need the "correct procedure" to be infallible. I would accept it if the hardware stayed in one officer's possession until it could be uploaded to police servers until trial. The way our system works we must let this one go; get a better process, police, and good luck next time No procedure is the infallible no matter who much you want it to be, and the system that insists it must be infallible is a system that cannot deliver justice consistently. Besides, we've seen this govt retroactively change the system to validate past transgressions when it suits them, and right or wrong they should do it this time. Although we know they wont because they hate poor people and women.
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Jun 16, 2016 04:05
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I think Amy Adams has gone on record saying they will change the law to allow it. The danger is that they will gently caress it up and make it overly broad and loosen the evidence requirements for police. Or mandate using a particular company's product/service which can be changed at any time without notice. Basically if there is a way to make the situation worse then they will find it.
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Jun 16, 2016 04:14
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Varkk posted:I think Amy Adams has gone on record saying they will change the law to allow it. The danger is that they will gently caress it up and make it overly broad and loosen the evidence requirements for police. Or mandate using a particular company's product/service which can be changed at any time without notice. Basically if there is a way to make the situation worse then they will find it. I am worried about this as well, they won't change it to be better - they'll change it to be worse because lazy
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exmachina posted:No the point is is that in law you decide something once and then that is now how it goes. So they need the "correct procedure" to be infallible. I would accept it if the hardware stayed in one officer's possession until it could be uploaded to police servers until trial. The way our system works we must let this one go; get a better process, police, and good luck next time Speaking of Police process and procedures http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81192231/loaded-gun-left-in-parliament-bathroom-police-say.html
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dissss posted:Speaking of Police process and procedures http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81192231/loaded-gun-left-in-parliament-bathroom-police-say.html stuff posted:In a statement, police said: "As soon as police were made aware that the firearm had been left in the bathroom, staff attended and recovered it from the occupant, and we would like to thank them for their assistance. Ahahahahahahahahaaaaa. "Sir please slide the firearm under the stall door, thank you for your assistance and don't forget to wash your hands!"
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In other news: Treasury paid research on the 90 day employment trial law A couple paragraphs in and you get this beauty: John Key posted:"You can have a piece of academic research but it's quite different from the small cafe owner whose money is on the line, who is taking the risks and who actually rely on this kind of policy. Yes, indeed, anecdotes are much more effective measures of efficacy of policy than actual research.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:22
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Jun 17, 2016 07:29
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It does seem crazy that a reduction in job security would negatively effect consumer confidence when so many good kiwi battlers are just doing their best to get by at the expense of lower socio economic groups.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:34
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Trompe le Monde posted:In other news: Treasury paid research on the 90 day employment trial law Goddamn he is a complete wanker.
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Jun 17, 2016 07:53
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klen dool posted:Goddamn he is a complete wanker. John Key Derangement Syndrome strikes again. 
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Jun 17, 2016 09:43
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I remember a debate at in the living room of a uni flat about this topic when this was going through. My good friend, son of a building contractor, just flatly reasoned the policy as "If your poo poo and you cant last 90 days, you shouldn't have the job" and just wouldn't take into consideration wider policy effects or that there would be exploitive use of the policy.
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WarpedNaba posted:Go easy on John Key and unsourced Anecdotes; they got him elected, after all. An anecdote is still a presumably true story about actual events. Key doesn't even refer to an actual cafe owner so this isn't even an anecdote, he's literally just making poo poo up.
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Jun 17, 2016 22:10
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Exclamation Marx posted:
The National Party in 2008 posted:Workplace policy: expanding job opportunities http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0807/S00433.htm The National Party posted:90-Day Trial Period Extended To All Employers http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1007/S00268/90-day-trial-period-extended-to-all-employers.htm
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Jun 17, 2016 23:12
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National are hitting those 3rd term road bumps where they've been in power long enough for the effects of their major policies to start being visible. I kind of love it
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The issue seems to be that their voters are running to NZF instead of Labour. This next election is gonna be a loving mess.
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Jun 18, 2016 01:03
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For 20 years Teina Pora has received free education if he wanted it, free power and heating, free counselling if he wanted, free and fast healthcare if needed, unlike the general public, free recreation and television, free food and a free roof over his head at a cost to the taxpayer of, at a guess, around 1.6million NZD. He is now set to receive around 2million in compensation. A total of 3.6million of taxpayers money. This does not include the cost of the police's time, legal costs at the time and all appeal costs, all footed by the taxpayer. All this because he gave a false confession to the police and only years later was it decided he had fetal alcohol syndrome and was not apparently responsible for his actions. Actions which have, and will, cost the taxpayers millions let alone wasting police time and side-tracking them from finding the real killer at the time. I suspect many of the law-abiding working poor wish they could have received the same consideration and benefits. I seriously doubt his life has been as hard as theirs. The working poor live their lives in a different form of captivity. However, it is still captivity.
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Jun 18, 2016 02:17
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The LoB shtick only works in PYF. Source your quotes.
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Spiteski posted:For 20 years Teina Pora has received free education if he wanted it, free power and heating, free counselling if he wanted, free and fast healthcare if needed, unlike the general public, free recreation and television, free food and a free roof over his head at a cost to the taxpayer of, at a guess, around 1.6million NZD. Are you for real?
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Jun 18, 2016 03:07
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Jun 18, 2016 03:19
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Wafflecopper posted:An anecdote is still a presumably true story about actual events. Key doesn't even refer to an actual cafe owner so this isn't even an anecdote, he's literally just making poo poo up. the gipper school of discourse
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Spiteski posted:For 20 years Teina Pora has received free education if he wanted it, free power and heating, free counselling if he wanted, free and fast healthcare if needed, unlike the general public, free recreation and television, free food and a free roof over his head at a cost to the taxpayer of, at a guess, around 1.6million NZD. Too right mate. And you know what, let's be honest, he's probably guilty of some other crime anyway isn't he? I don't really know why they let him out at all.
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