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This made me lol for a bit. Then I realized Star Citizen exists between facts and speculations. Oops: Top of the thread cat: 
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Daztek posted:Hey man, he's still in alpha, you clearly don't know how quote:PROBATION 06/14/16 02:46pm Requested by:  DEREK! Better start probating idiots soon or the elephant is gonna steal your thunder.
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Blatantly stealing this from FDev forums: https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/333172/new-cod-infinite-warfare-trailer/p1  Infinity Ward — the guys responsible for what are arguably some of the most successful FPSes ever — are apparently no-talent hacks who are ripping off CIG's innovations. 
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Colostomy Bag posted:This made me lol for a bit. Then I realized Star Citizen exists between facts and speculations. Star Citizen resides here: 
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Tippis posted:Blatantly stealing this from FDev forums: Of course they stole it, you clearly don't understand gaming developement.
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Polish Avenger posted:Tangent here. Anyone else think it's weird that solar systems tend to have a "plane" to their satellites. If I had to guess at how a solar system would work, I'd think that orbiting stuff could just take up any old orientation because it's space after all. I understand it is like this for a reason but intuitively you'd think that you would see orbiting bodies with arbitrary positioning in three dimensions since they could, in theory, only be constrained by their scalar distance to their star. When a solar system is forming out of interstellar gasses, it probably will start out as basically a big sphere of gas, but over time it generally collapses into the form of a disc. I typed that, but then I stopped and thought "wait but why" so I went and looked it up. Basically the idea is that, simply by random chance, the cloud of gas that's being dragged in by the star will have some average angular momentum. As in, if we average up all the orbits, the cloud as a whole will probably be spinning a little bit around the star. Particles with angular momenta that don't match the average tend to get in more collisions than ones that do match the average, which (over billions of years) ends up with most of them lying vaguely in the same plane, spinning the same direction. The picture that comes to my mind is a highway where people start out driving at random speeds. People going really fast or really slow tend to crash, so over time everyone's going to end up going vaguely the same speed.  Anyway, then when that disc of gas coalesces into planets etc. you get a mostly-flat solar system. Of course there are exceptions, comets for instance often have crazy tilted orbits. 
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MedicineHut posted:loving lol well they do that overpriced saitek plastic crap they were peddling for 400+ bucks if memory serves.
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ManofManyAliases posted:What I do nit-pick are blatant inaccuracies or posts where I just feel that there is ample "evidence" to show that something is untrue. I feel like this is the part where you cause a robot to explode with a logical fallacy by telling it to look at it's own posts. (You are arguing from a position of superiority while completely misunderstanding every level of this entire situation MoMA, just stop it)
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ManofManyAliases posted:No Toops. I haven't defended everything that is CIG. I've agreed to management inconsistencies, have said that I still don't think a significant portion of the game has been delivered, I feel that for all their claim of openness, CIG is not "open," but cherry-picking BS to keep some of the simpletons at bay, etc. As for my "faith-based" view: Yes - I have faith that CIG will deliver a game as promised in the future. I say this because I may or may not have friends in the industry who have spoken to me about the way this type of development works. I also view the lack investigation or negative legal interest in CIG as a sign that what they have been doing for the past 3-4 years either a) hasn't drawn enough attention for concern or b) just proves nothing bad is really there. I don't specifically SEEK out other posts just to nit-pick. If someone mentions me or replies to me, I respond back. What I do nit-pick are blatant inaccuracies or posts where I just feel that there is ample "evidence" to show that something is untrue. I'm curious. Do you believe they will finish the game with all kickstarter and RSI-page stretch goals? Or at least half of them at launch? Unless they manage to create their handcrafter procedural planets really fast they'll still have 100 planets/systems to go. And just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs
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trucutru posted:
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MedicineHut posted:loving lol I missed this. £100 too. 
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Eonwe posted:lol hey eonwe byob sucks 
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Eonwe posted:lol Hello!
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Tank Boy Ken posted:I'm curious. Do you believe they will finish the game with all kickstarter and RSI-page stretch goals? Or at least half of them at launch? Unless they manage to create their handcrafter procedural planets really fast they'll still have 100 planets/systems to go. I don't think they'll "finish" (read: Gold release) with all of the goals in place. I do expect at least half of them to be met. I'm not certain that they'll have 100 systems at launch.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkliSUIqgAY Update on a similar product from Saitek working on the Star Citizen HOTAS.
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megane posted:When a solar system is forming out of interstellar gasses, it probably will start out as basically a big sphere of gas, but over time it generally collapses into the form of a disc. I typed that, but then I stopped and thought "wait but why" so I went and looked it up. Basically the idea is that, simply by random chance, the cloud of gas that's being dragged in by the star will have some average angular momentum. As in, if we average up all the orbits, the cloud as a whole will probably be spinning a little bit around the star. Particles with angular momenta that don't match the average tend to get in more collisions than ones that do match the average, which (over billions of years) ends up with most of them lying vaguely in the same plane, spinning the same direction. The picture that comes to my mind is a highway where people start out driving at random speeds. People going really fast or really slow tend to crash, so over time everyone's going to end up going vaguely the same speed. From what I understand, though, the orbits of both comets and orbits of off-plane planets often come about because they have had a strong interaction with some other large body at one time or another, which has thrown them out of their regular orbit. So it's a rather late development rather than something they we “born with”?
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TheAgent posted:ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm This bit makes me think it's real quote:rambling statement from Chris
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TheAgent posted:ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm loving LOL. Then he went on vacation which was duly earned writing said letter.
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KiddieGrinder posted:Star Citizen resides here: Have there been any other cases similar to Star Citizen in the imagination versus reality arena? Bitcoin, maybe, if it ever fails would come close. But has there been anything else where child like optimism and widespread delusional / denial has been curb-stomped by harsh reality before? This is like tens of thousands of cases of a manchild having his elderly father burn his anime porn collection or something, all at once. Those videos where some adult is accidentally recorded flipping out on their parents because their mom wants their 30 year old son to get a job and stop raiding but times x10,000.
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ManofManyAliases posted:I don't think they'll "finish" (read: Gold release) with all of the goals in place. I do expect at least half of them to be met. I'm not certain that they'll have 100 systems at launch. Please list the goals you expect them to meet
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Space is bullshit anyway, no one knows anything about it really. It could be made of anything as far as we know, like air or black fabric.
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Nation posted:hey eonwe byob sucks wowzers
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peter gabriel posted:Hello! hi
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peter gabriel posted:Space is bullshit anyway, no one knows anything about it really. It could be made of anything as far as we know, like air or black fabric. Black fabric is abundant. Dear leader demonstrates that fact.
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ManofManyAliases posted:If someone mentions me or replies to me, I respond back. Except when you don't because you don't have any way to counter what they say.  As for the rest, pot, kettle, black, you know how this goes.
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that amd thing can't be real
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Ash1138 posted:that amd thing can't be real brave words in the sc thread
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Ash1138 posted:that amd thing can't be real I want to believe
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Ash1138 posted:that amd thing can't be real https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
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AP posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkliSUIqgAY That's some really hamfisted lovely wiring
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Google Butt posted:Please list the goals you expect them to meet I don't have time to list specifics, but if they want to be competitive and still hold/captivate an audience, they should include: -Procedurally generated systems with their "custom" landing zones that they pushed (at least 50 systems, if the claim of customization holds true and was worth the time) -Flight mechanics that aren't janky. Supposedly, the SQ42 base code has fixed this but has not been implemented yet in Alpha. TBD I guess. -Game mechanics such as: Mining, Cargo (inclusive of cargo management systems, etc), Hacking, Repairing, Bounty Hunting, Refueling, Exploration -AI (fleshed out subsumption), as the ratio will apparently be 9:1 NPC to player -Instanced Zoning system that they claim is the Holy grail in allowing players to interact with battles/friends/events in the same parts of systems seamlessly -Enhanced ship customization and modularity ( they claim you'll be able to use the Science Module on the Endeavor to "supercharge" or rather, increase efficiency of ship parts, or use the Crucible to modify the hull to make it stronger, etc).
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Tippis posted:From what I understand, though, the orbits of both comets and orbits of off-plane planets often come about because they have had a strong interaction with some other large body at one time or another, which has thrown them out of their regular orbit. So it's a rather late development rather than something they we “born with”? Yeah, I think that's the case. Pluto, for instance, has a crazy wacko orbit, and one explanation for it is that it got thrown off-kilter by Neptune.
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Samizdata posted:Sorry, buddy, seriously sorry. I wish catnought was real. I miss him so much it loving sucks. My house seems empty even though my fiance and I live here.
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ManofManyAliases posted:I don't have time to list specifics, but if they want to be competitive and still hold/captivate an audience, they should include: When do you expect all this? Don't say "when it's ready", I doubt you'd be willing to wait 20 more years.
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ManofManyAliases posted:-Flight mechanics that aren't janky. Supposedly, the SQ42 base code has fixed this but has not been implemented yet in Alpha. TBD I guess. There it is again. I keep seeing citizens using this magical reasoning that SQ42 has the actual working flight model, and they just aren't showing it in the Alpha for some reason. What's the source of this revelation?
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Derek, find the Letter. Find the Letter.
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MeLKoR posted:When do you expect all this? Don't say "when it's ready", I doubt you'd be willing to wait 20 more years. If they're able to deliver SQ42 (or at least some first iteration of it) by Q1 or Q2 of next year, I expect much of those mechanics and assets can be used to complete the PU. Despite Derek's accusations of a skeleton team working on PU, my belief is that with 300 people, they have enough people working on PU to continue it's advancement while SQ42 work is ongoing. That said, I think the majority of the PU focus is on infrastructure right now. So, while engineering lays a basework for PU currently, and as assets and more persistence mechanics are added, the finality of PU won't likely be recognized (read: proven to be ready for an advanced alpha or beta) by the end of next year. That would mean continued beta testing Q1-2 of 2018, possible RCs by Summer of '18 and Gold release by the end of that year. Edit: If you subscribe to the notion that development started in 2012-3 (3-4 years), that means that total development time would be 5-6 years. If you say 2012, then 6 years. I don't think that is overly unreasonable given that they essentially would have made 2 games.
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Nation posted:brave words in the sc thread peter gabriel posted:I want to believe Tippis posted:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
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thatguy posted:Derek, find the Letter. Find the Letter.
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