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Business Gorillas posted:We would only be so lucky Look, I know the state's kind of hosed and wackado, but can you ease up on that just a bit for a little while? It seems cruel to wish inevitable land degradation on the people that survived a shooting an all.
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WampaLord posted:Your anecdote doesn't match up with the millions of primary votes she received. I'm sick of this narrative that no one is excited for Hillary. Is the media simply not covering her rallies like they do for Trump and Sanders? If excitement is judged by the emotional outpouring you receive from your followers it seems she isn't getting people nearly fired up as the other two, unless you're implying this has been entirely misrepresented. I assume people who are voting for Hillary are doing it because they are pragmatic or don't particularly find Sander's socialist rhetoric appealing. I suppose the good news my girlfriend who identifies as conservative is voting Hillary, because she finds Trump disgusting, and was abhorred to find her mother is voting Trump. I feel her parents are going to blame my pernicious liberal influence at some point.
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WampaLord posted:Your anecdote doesn't match up with the millions of primary votes she received. I'm sick of this narrative that no one is excited for Hillary. You don't need to be excited about a candidate to vote for them. I'm sure there are people genuinely excited to vote for either of them, but neither of them is very popular: quote:The results mark the striking challenges facing both candidates, cementing their position as the two most unpopular presumptive major party nominees for president in ABC News/Washington Post polling dating to 1984.
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botany posted:You don't need to be excited about a candidate to vote for them. I'm sure there are people genuinely excited to vote for either of them, but neither of them is very popular*: *among white people
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Stultus Maximus posted:*among white people I'm sure Trump is quite popular with white people actually
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Stultus Maximus posted:*among white people Holy poo poo, trump 4F/94UF among black people in that poll that's . . . very low 11/89 hispanics, 12/88 nonwhites. Hahahaha HRC 79/19, 64/34, 66/32 respectively
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Hodgepodge posted:No one the demographic likely to post here knows is excited to vote for Hillary. I am; think of how happy we've been with Obama the last two years when he finally stopped trying to bridge divides and just became a dick to Republicans - Clinton will be that from day 1 because she doesn't have any delusions about how fascists are people.
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botany posted:I'm sure Trump is quite popular with white people actually According to your link, Trump is 39/59 with whites which beats Clinton's 31/68 but is still deeply negative.
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Uroboros posted:Is the media simply not covering her rallies like they do for Trump and Sanders? If excitement is judged by the emotional outpouring you receive from your followers it seems she isn't getting people nearly fired up as the other two, unless you're implying this has been entirely misrepresented. I assume people who are voting for Hillary are doing it because they are pragmatic or don't particularly find Sander's socialist rhetoric appealing. And large rallies are not very indicative of overall excitement. Like caucuses, they require the participants to already be enthusiastic and are made up primarily of people who have the luxury of spending several hours on a weekend or weekday evening to express their political enthusiasm. But the vast majority of people treat the election more like free scoop day at Ben & Jerry's - they'll definitely show up for it and they're looking forward to it, but it's not something they feel they need to re-arrange their daily routine around or spend several hours preparing for it six months before it happens.
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I love how several times people say voting for Hillary Clinton is bad "because she's Hillary Clinton" no concrete actual reasons are ever given. It's like the past 20 years of Republican smearing have been so effective that everyone thinks she is like evil with not a single idea as to what shes done.
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botany posted:I'm sure Trump is quite popular with white people actually https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/743074471318282241
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He needs to be winning whites 70/30 not losing them 40/60.
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Stultus Maximus posted:According to your link, Trump is 39/59 with whites which beats Clinton's 31/68 but is still deeply negative. Elections, and the electorate in general, are becoming less and less centered around white voters. Which to me explains the reduced "excitement" around this election in general more so than the candidates. That poll shows exactly who is "excited" in this election.
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Antti posted:He needs to be winning whites 70/30 not losing them 40/60. 'But the whites love me!'
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Mozi posted:'But the whites love me!' The "right" kind of whites.
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In a way, becoming President as a woman is incredibly hard, her style of actually getting there has been constantly turned against her ("She's corrupt! She wants it too much!"), so it's kind of cathartic to see her be given the weakest possible GE opponent after first losing the primary in 2008 and then having to really go to bat for it in 2016. She's gonna be a good President, guys. At least as good as circumstances possibly allow. My Arzying is more focused on her getting hit by a meteor at this point.
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How long until the Clinton FBI interprets that and bans all guns to sovereign citizens.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743078235408195584 Interesting strategy, to alienate everyone.
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Bip Roberts posted:How long until the Clinton FBI interprets that and bans all guns to sovereign citizens. We can only hope.
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Antti posted:In a way, becoming President as a woman is incredibly hard, her style of actually getting there has been constantly turned against her ("She's corrupt! She wants it too much!"), so it's kind of cathartic to see her be given the weakest possible GE opponent after first losing the primary in 2008 and then having to really go to bat for it in 2016. Yes, exactly. She's a bad campaigner because in general, people don't like when women are attempting to elevate themselves. They respect powerful women, but only after they've arrived. I feel like she will be the opposite of Obama in terms of Candidate to President. Candidate Obama was amazing, but President Obama couldn't live up to the hype. Candidate Hillary is a bit of a mess, but President Hillary will seem better by comparison.
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Uroboros posted:Is the media simply not covering her rallies like they do for Trump and Sanders? If excitement is judged by the emotional outpouring you receive from your followers it seems she isn't getting people nearly fired up as the other two, unless you're implying this has been entirely misrepresented. I assume people who are voting for Hillary are doing it because they are pragmatic or don't particularly find Sander's socialist rhetoric appealing.
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I never particularly cared about Hillary winning but I want Trump to lose so badly it becomes historic. I want him to lose so badly that if you put your ear to American soil on Election Day you can faintly hear Eiffel 65's "I'm Blue." I want voters in the years to come to faintly, unconsciously think of the GOP as the party that elected a man who looks like you draped a toupee and a $2000 suit over a six-four stack of pumpkins and couldn't find his rear end with both of his tiny, tiny hands and a map. I vote D anyway, but spite provides extra incentive.
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Uroboros posted:I live in redneck country, but even amongst Democrats here I can't really think of any that are just super thrilled for Hillary. My experience interacting with people in general tells me large swaths of people are not happy with either candidate, even more so than in the past. Hillary would be the least popular candidate of all time...if it weren't for Trump. They're both record setting, he's just leagues worse than she is. And while I don't actually like Hillary Clinton that much, a huge part of her reputation is unearned.
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1. Did LBJ know that he was going to defeat Goldwater so soundly? I'm thinking no because they still did the Daisy ad? 2. Same with Reagan and Carter/Mondale?
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Rick Scott: "The Second Amendment didn't kill anybody." Where's  slowly growing and barfing s everywhere
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743078235408195584 Sounds like a good move. In the sense that running away from a rabid grizzly bear that's already ripped your arm off is a good move, but still.
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Inferior Third Season posted:I'm surprised I've never heard "We already have a common sense gun law - it's called the second amendment That phrase owns And I'm still trying to figure out why my white male friend with a grad degree and tons of student loan debt who smokes weed daily voted Hillary
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AKA Pseudonym posted:Sounds like a good move. In the sense that running away from a rabid grizzly bear that's already ripped your arm off is a good move, but still. It's a terrible move. Banning assault rifles to people on the no fly list, or another terror list, is likely to be fairly popular among the electorate, but the NRA is categorically opposed to any additional restrictions on gun ownership. If he's unable to convince them, then the NRA will instruct Congress to fight to the death against this popular measure, and they will do so with no cover from the candidate ("If even DONALD TRUMP can see the need for this, why can't"... etc) The fact that both HRC and Obama proposed this yesterday makes it look like Trump is giving in to them, which is the exact opposite reason his supporters backed him so rabidly. Like, the candidate breaking with the party on gun control, one of their strongest and most disciplined issues, is just an unmitigated nightmare. There is no one this appeals to: anyone in favor of it already wasn't voting for Trump, all it does is make it impossible for single issue gun rights voters to support him. If the NRA agrees with Trump, which is highly, highly unlikely and would represent a complete reversal on policy, then this is all out the window, of course.
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I'm excited for Hillary. Four more years of basically Obama policy, a generation of scotus not sucking, and following up the first black president with the first woman. That's not even mentioning the spiteful reason of gently caress the gop.
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You know who Arzys worse than goons? Party apparachiks and elected officials. I cannot imagine the melting down that has been going on in the halls of the RNC HQ this week.
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I've seen this gif around a few times and only just noticed - is that an iron cross tattoo on his arm? Is that what I loving think it is? Please tell me it's not, or that it means something else to crazy libertarians, because I have only ever seen iron cross tattoos on Americans when it's paired somewhere else with a swastika or double lightning bolts or a not-so-cleverly-stylized 14/88.
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zoux posted:You know who Arzys worse than goons? Party apparachiks and elected officials. I cannot imagine the melting down that has been going on in the halls of the RNC HQ this week. Republicans have every reason to panic, the entire thing is threatening to go up in flames and the people that are left will either be the mega racist neo-republican rump party or *shudders 1%ingly* moderates EDIT: edrith posted:I've seen this gif around a few times and only just noticed - is that an iron cross tattoo on his arm? Is that what I loving think it is? Please tell me it's not, or that it means something else to crazy libertarians, because I have only ever seen iron cross tattoos on Americans when it's paired somewhere else with a swastika or double lightning bolts or a not-so-cleverly-stylized 14/88. The army's marksmanship medal is an iron cross, so it could be that he's a nazi lol
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Can I get a video for context on this? I gotta know if he was a streaker, did he show up naked, or if he pulled a Ric Flair and got so excited during his speech he had to strip.
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FAUXTON posted:In the borrowed-from-Twain words of James Carville, when your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil. Well yeah of course - I don't mean that Clinton should feel safe or ease up in any way (same went for Obama in 2012), I was just wondering if there was also "Arzying" back in those days.
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edrith posted:I've seen this gif around a few times and only just noticed - is that an iron cross tattoo on his arm? Is that what I loving think it is? Please tell me it's not, or that it means something else to crazy libertarians, because I have only ever seen iron cross tattoos on Americans when it's paired somewhere else with a swastika or double lightning bolts or a not-so-cleverly-stylized 14/88. Probably a bit more eloquent than the dipshit who had a poo poo load of iron cross tattoos and tried to cover it by talking up her Celtic heritage for 2 minutes before going "gently caress it, I hate the blacks, OK?"
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