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sean10mm posted:An M1 Garand would be a much worse weapon for mass murder. It's heavy as gently caress, has much heavier recoil, the old-timey "en bloc" clips only hold 8 rounds, and it's easy to smash the gently caress out of your thumb while reloading if you're not careful. That's why the military moved away from massive .30 caliber battle rifles in the first place. They kick like mules, give you too few shots between reloads, and have more power than you really need if you just want to rapidly kill humans inside 300 yards. They're also harder to gain proficiency with than smaller, lighter assault rifles that don't kick nearly as hard. Yeah I wasn't really agreeing with his premise so much as acknowledging the regulatory oddity. Honestly a shotgun would probably be the most dangerous thing for these sort of attacks if we magic away detachable box magazines
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Trump is holding a rally right now https://twitter.com/sppeoples/status/743125088573259777 https://twitter.com/KilloughCNN/status/743136740823695360
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I could see the M1 garand being the hot new massacre weapon after the AR-Style semi auto is banned. Honestly the garand migh very well be "better" in that case, as the loud *PING* when the en-bloc clip ejects and alerts those around the shooter that he has to reload. (Obviously moot point if there is more than one shooter)
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PerniciousKnid posted:I'm starting to worry that the GOP will replace Trump with another candidate who can bask in the glow of not being Trump. A month ago I wouldn't have thought it possible, but he's just been so, so, so very bad that I'm afraid they could get away with it. It would tear the party apart and they have no one who is a better alternative. Unless they can perfect Hologram Reagan.
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Crain posted:Oh it's just purposefully mixing Matt Walsh with Matt Welch. You getting mad a person making a dumb joke was actually super funny, as is the fact that you're still a little mad about it
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump is holding a rally right now
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SubponticatePoster posted:What are the signs of having a stroke again? Because I think I just had one. You smelling any toast?
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Nitrousoxide posted:You smelling any toast?  (although I made some earlier)
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WampaLord posted:It would tear the party apart and they have no one who is a better alternative. That's what I thought, but he's so ineffective that I begin to think even his supporters could mostly be convinced he should be replaced for tactical reasons. I do still think that there's no clear replacement, which is probably the only thing saving him.
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Crain posted:Look you can make bed fellows with all the White Nationalists and Holocaust deniers you want, god knows the GOP's Southern Strategy already comfortable with them enough to give them the keys to asylum. So do you avoid NPR because they interviewed 9/11 truthers or Vice because they interviewed neo-Nazis ? Are you going to start whittling down your news sources if they interview, gasp!, Trump supporters? The idea that you would avoid a podcast because one of the guys is EIC in a libertarian magazine that dared include interviews with white nationalists and holocaust deniers amazes me. It's even funnier since if you deigned to listen to the podcast, you'd probably come away wondering why on earth someone would bend over backwards to associate the two (Welch and White Nationalists). But again, have fun in your echochamber. EDIT: Also, it includes a guy from Vice and a black guy from Freethink. But keep making assumptions because of one guy's involvement. Amergin fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Amergin posted:So do you avoid NPR because they interviewed 9/11 truthers or Vice because they interviewed neo-Nazis ? Are you going to start whittling down your news sources if they interview, gasp!, Trump supporters? everyone filters their news sources based on something. no one has time to consume it all, yourself included
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Amergin posted:So do you avoid NPR because they interviewed 9/11 truthers or Vice because they interviewed neo-Nazis ? Are you going to start whittling down your news sources if they interview, gasp!, Trump supporters? Vice and NPR aren't a sympathetic ear to white nationalists and holocaust deniers, so you're talking apples and oranges here.
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Talmonis posted:Vice and NPR aren't a sympathetic ear to white nationalists and holocaust deniers, so you're talking apples and oranges here. Please show me where Reason magazine was explicitly sympathetic to holocaust deniers. EDIT: emdash posted:everyone filters their news sources based on something. no one has time to consume it all, yourself included True! But I usually use... you know, "quality" as a filter, rather than "OHMYGAWD EW THIS GUY WAS INVOLVED IN SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE EW EW!" There's a difference between general filtering and filtering for news that lines up with your ideology.
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PerniciousKnid posted:I'm starting to worry that the GOP will replace Trump with another candidate who can bask in the glow of not being Trump. A month ago I wouldn't have thought it possible, but he's just been so, so, so very bad that I'm afraid they could get away with it. Replacing Trump at the convention through ratfuckery would piss off to all hell the Trump faithful and show the republican party establishment doesn't give a drat about its rank and file and is desperate as hell. It could possibly be the only disaster grander then the current train-wreck
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Amergin posted:So do you avoid NPR because they interviewed 9/11 truthers or Vice because they interviewed neo-Nazis ? Are you going to start whittling down your news sources if they interview, gasp!, Trump supporters? And there's the bad faith deflect. I didn't say anything about having a problem with them for who they interviewed. I have a problem with them for who they are.
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MariusLecter posted:Putin's nuclear is tippy top? Seriously? Aside from being moron word salad, he's also wrong, because we could get rid of all our bombers and land-based ICBMs and still wipe out Russia and China simultaneously with what we had left on submarines (14 subarines, each with 24 missiles, each missile with 8 warheads, each warhead about 20-30 Hiroshimas by itself...)
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Crain posted:And there's the bad faith deflect. I didn't say anything about having a problem with them for who they interviewed. I have a problem with them for who they are. Okay then, show me where Matt Welch himself sympathized with holocaust deniers and/or white nationalists.
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djw175 posted:Tasting copper? Like, a person who is a candidate for POTUS just referred to Russia's nuclear arsenal as "tippy-top." Every now and then you hear something so mind-bogglingly stupid your brain refuses to process it.
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More bad faith deflecting. Fly away little poo poo sponge. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PerniciousKnid posted:I'm starting to worry that the GOP will replace Trump with another candidate who can bask in the glow of not being Trump. A month ago I wouldn't have thought it possible, but he's just been so, so, so very bad that I'm afraid they could get away with it. I'm not worried about it at this point to be honest. If they tried to replace Trump at the convention it would literally result in militia uprisings and violent riots across the country. Even if the GOP were able to replace him the fallout would be the end of their party forever and they know it. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump is holding a rally right now I would like to reiterate my stance that Trump is an addict on a binge and nothing more. Anything he says is designed to get him the most attention (preferably adulation) possible from as many people as possible, and nothing else. You ever see what a hardcore heroin addict will do to get their fix? How deeply they will debase themselves and destroy everyone that cares about them in the process as long as it gets them one more fix? Well Trump is an addict and the GOP are his enablers, and he is going to debase himself and destroy the GOP with the kind of unflinching gusto that only a narcissist can summon.
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sean10mm posted:An M1 Garand would be a much worse weapon for mass murder. It's heavy as gently caress, has much heavier recoil, the old-timey "en bloc" clips only hold 8 rounds, and it's easy to smash the gently caress out of your thumb while reloading if you're not careful. That's why the military moved away from massive .30 caliber battle rifles in the first place. They kick like mules, give you too few shots between reloads, and have more power than you really need if you just want to rapidly kill humans inside 300 yards. They're also harder to gain proficiency with than smaller, lighter assault rifles that don't kick nearly as hard. Yeah, which is why banning weapons like the AR-15 (smaller caliber, high capacity, high velocity), something that was literally designed to kill as many people as possible inside of 100 yards by someone without much training before reloading would be good while you can still let people have as many M1's as they wanted.
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Prester Jane posted:I'm not worried about it at this point to be honest. If they tried to replace Trump at the convention it would literally result in militia uprisings and violent riots across the country. Even if the GOP were able to replace him the fallout would be the end of their party forever and they know it. It's far too late for the GOP to save their party by ousting Trump. He has their base and they aren't going to go back to the way things were now. Even if they don't get uprisings they're going to suffer politically.
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after a few mins of googling the other people on that show, i'm pretty sure i'm not interested in hearing what they have to say michael "college campuses are too PC" moynihan kmele "all-white oscars are ok because there were too many blacks in other years" foster matt "john mccain is a STATIST" welch
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Zelder posted:yeah same. it's a very bizarre feeling to think "i could have died last night over what is essentially three dollars" and to semi relate it back to a political point, it's confusing to me that people will strap up to prevent that from happening. i hope this doesn't come across as victim blaming, because i understand the desire to protect yourself is pretty strong and inherent (and totally understandable), and I also understand that there are worse things a stranger can do than mug you, but i dunno. they have the element of surprise every time, and when someone rushes out of the shadows and puts a gun in your ribs, well you've pretty much lost the tactical advantage at that point. i suppose i could have like, flip kicked the gun out of his hand, jumped in the air, screamed "IT'S HIGH NOON" and merked all three of the dudes, but that seems unrealistic. I'm way behind reading this thread, but I had a really similar experience. No weapons were involved, but I got jumped by a couple of guys a while ago while walking home from a bar and got a mild beating before they took the cash out of my wallet and took off. I ended up needing some stitches and had a messed up jaw that took care of itself after a few weeks. It wasn't a big deal physically. Mentally it messed with me for a while. I felt unsafe walking on any empty street, even in broad daylight. For a while I would kind of fantasize about if I were armed and how I would react. Even though no weapons were involved (that I saw), like with you it happened so fast that I don't know it would have been any help, and even then, I'd rather lose $10 (or a lot more than $10) than have killed someone defending my property. Obviously I could have run into more bloodthirsty muggers who wanted to do more than take the money and run, in which case I would have felt justified in defending myself more. But for who I am, it bothers me to think that being armed could have escalated that into a deadly situation. I don't know the right or wrong of it, but it affirmed for me that I don't want any part of carrying a gun around. Totally aside from this, but the victim blaming when I'd explain my stitches to people was astounding. The number of people who would just be like, "Well, you were walking alone at night, so obviously that's why it happened" or "Didn't you try to fight them off?" blew my mind. (I did fight them for a little, until my drunk mind caught up to me and was like, what the gently caress are you doing, dumbass? You're carrying $10 and a flip phone.) Gave me a whole new appreciation for the experience of sexual assault/rape survivors.
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Amergin posted:Okay then, show me where Matt Welch himself sympathized with holocaust deniers and/or white nationalists. https://pando.com/2014/07/24/as-reasons-editor-defends-its-racist-history-heres-a-copy-of-its-holocaust-denial-special-issue/
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://pando.com/2014/07/24/as-reasons-editor-defends-its-racist-history-heres-a-copy-of-its-holocaust-denial-special-issue/ Lmao. Reason is garbage, just like all libertarians.
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"Aircraft carriers probably cost a million bucks." --The Republican presidential candidate, June 15 2016
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Luigi Thirty posted:"Aircraft carriers probably cost a million bucks." --The Republican presidential candidate, June 15 2016 Did Trump just say that? Did he really?
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Luigi Thirty posted:"Aircraft carriers probably cost a million bucks." --The Republican presidential candidate, June 15 2016 You're joking, right? I seriously can't tell anymore with these people.
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emdash posted:everyone filters their news sources based on something. no one has time to consume it all, yourself included I spend my mornings with Rachel Maddows show and my Evenings with Glenn becks show. Its pretty great not having a social filter. I thought getting a wide range of opinions and using your own critical thinking to discern what might sort of resemble the truth was pretty much adult.txt. The worst thing the internet did was put people in touch with people who think and act exactly as they do, so everyone just lives in one echo chamber or another. (Not to be confused with "The truth is in the middle", reality of course may show up anywhere on the political spectrum)
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In other news, Michele Fiore lost her bid for the US House of Reps
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I spend my mornings with Rachel Maddow and my Evenings with Glenn beck. . I thought getting a wide range of opinions and using your own critical thinking to discern what might sort of resemble the truth was pretty much adult.txt. The worst thing the internet did was put people in touch with people who think and act exactly as they do, so everyone just lives in one echo chamber or another. putting up with glenn beck is just an inefficient use of your time/critical thinking energy tho
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I spend my mornings with Rachel Maddows show and my Evenings with Glenn becks show. Its pretty great not having a social filter. I thought getting a wide range of opinions and using your own critical thinking to discern what might sort of resemble the truth was pretty much adult.txt. The worst thing the internet did was put people in touch with people who think and act exactly as they do, so everyone just lives in one echo chamber or another. And it's the KKK newsletter for lunch right?
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