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Elman posted:I think McCree isn't worth playing now. You need to be really good at landing headshots consistently, and if you're that good you'd do better with Soldier. Flashbang is still incredibly useful between its ability to disable multiple targets, or limit the usefulness of some ults. McCree with ult up is one of the deadliest ranged flankers, its abit of work for him to get that ideal position but the sheer range of it gives him plenty of flexibility on where to apporach.
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Jun 15, 2016 18:41
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I just met the king of funhavers, 'you're such a tryhard for killing me, I was only casually healing'. Gold medal healing as Roadhog~
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Jun 15, 2016 18:49
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Sade posted:You're right, competitive players have no fun playing video games competitively. They also hate you for having fun playing video games. Nah I'm not saying either playstyle is dumb and bad. I've been on serious business competitive teams in games before, long ago when I had time to burn on that kind of thing. But it's usually easier to make fun of tryhards, probably because many of them have an overinflated sense of their own importance in relation to their chosen game and the scrubby peon pub players who could never be on their level. (Not anyone here, of course, all goons are saints)
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Jun 15, 2016 18:56
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Knifegrab posted:god no what are you doing winston why did you jump into the middle of six of them... Man if just like 3 of you would go Mercy and heal him while he does that he wouldn't die and you guys would win, don't you know anything. (Actual commentary I heard on a stream once)
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Jun 15, 2016 19:05
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Mccree is fine and the only people who are complaining are the ones who did nothing but flashbang+RMB all day every day.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:07
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BobTheJanitor posted:Nah I'm not saying either playstyle is dumb and bad. I've been on serious business competitive teams in games before, long ago when I had time to burn on that kind of thing. But it's usually easier to make fun of tryhards, probably because many of them have an overinflated sense of their own importance in relation to their chosen game and the scrubby peon pub players who could never be on their level. (Not anyone here, of course, all goons are saints) You sound really bitter just fyi if you're looking for constructive feedback. Fake edit: McCree is still good. Real edit: Widow is still good too.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:08
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The Gate posted:I mean, McCree is still real loving good though? Like, he's a character that has a 6 shot sniper rifle that doesn't force you to zoom? 3 body hits will kill most characters, and he's got excellent damage even at longish range. Also, he's got a stun, and then he's also got a super high dps right click that wins most close range fights all on its own if you have not poo poo aim. Like, yeah, pros will click heads all day and be amazing, but 70 damage shots are still Real Good even if you're not some fps king. No see you see he doesn't have his Iwin button anymore so the character is dead.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:09
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immortal flow posted:I just met the king of funhavers, 'you're such a tryhard for killing me, I was only casually healing'. Gold medal healing as Roadhog~ that was me
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Jun 15, 2016 19:10
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Knifegrab posted:Its really that easy for fucks sake stop filtering into the point one at a time god no what are you doing winston why did you jump into the middle of six of them... The worst feeling I have as Winston is when I jump, instantly realize how much of a mistake it was to leap, then die super quickly trying to retreat in a panic. I just had to chase that Mercy.....
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Jun 15, 2016 19:12
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subx posted:I don't think so, but they did say joining an in-progress game should never count as a loss. I hope so because I've joined my fair share of losing battles.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:13
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Winston is sort of designed for jumping into the fray, beating people away and causing them to scatter to allow for a coordinated push to come through. That's sort of his job description. Reinhardt advances his team Winston pushes their team back Roadhog separates them Zarya brings them together D.Va gets blown up.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:13
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ItBurns posted:You sound really bitter just fyi if you're looking for constructive feedback. Thank you, I will take it under advisement. I can't guarantee that I won't keep giggling at people who take games too seriously, though. I hope that's OK.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:14
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I had a pubbie complain about all the Zenyattas he's seeing thanks to the Widow nerf. That's what happens when an entire class is supressed because of an imbalance over a few weeks.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:16
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Aw, you no longer get the level up fanfare once you pass level 100? 
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I for one am glad they unleashed the Zenyatta, as Roadhog is also now more popular thanks to McCree being nerfed. Those discord headshots build up so much ult. Thanks Zen buddy, this high noon's for you 
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Jun 15, 2016 19:17
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Ddraig posted:No see you see he doesn't have his Iwin button anymore so the character is dead. Eh, I think people are underestimating the impact of that change a bit, especially on the Genji/Reaper matchups. "Oh, but if you die against Genji after leaving him at 25HP you are the bad". Sure, sure, but Genji usually gets the drop on you in my experience, and he can nail you for 160 damage himself. I think we're gonna see a hell of a lot more Genjis and Reapers now, even in pub play, because McCree was a very good counter to them even if you were a bad player. Now you actually need to be considerably better to win those skirmishes consistently, or at least I think so.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:18
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Kanfy posted:Aw, you no longer get the level up fanfare once you pass level 100? It's no longer a game once you reach level 100 This is your life now
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Jun 15, 2016 19:24
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Dias posted:Eh, I think people are underestimating the impact of that change a bit, especially on the Genji/Reaper matchups. "Oh, but if you die against Genji after leaving him at 25HP you are the bad". Sure, sure, but Genji usually gets the drop on you in my experience, and he can nail you for 160 damage himself. I think we're gonna see a hell of a lot more Genjis and Reapers now, even in pub play, because McCree was a very good counter to them even if you were a bad player. Now you actually need to be considerably better to win those skirmishes consistently, or at least I think so. The real impact of the change is that bad McCrees are no longer good. Last night, I got killed by a McCree I hadn't seen while fighting with his teammates...the killcam consisted of him right-clicking in my general direction (I wasn't terribly close to him), reloading, right-clicking again, reloading, and right-clicking a third time. That guy doesn't deserve to win 1v1s.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:28
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Main Paineframe posted:The real impact of the change is that bad McCrees are no longer good. Last night, I got killed by a McCree I hadn't seen while fighting with his teammates...the killcam consisted of him right-clicking in my general direction (I wasn't terribly close to him), reloading, right-clicking again, reloading, and right-clicking a third time. That guy doesn't deserve to win 1v1s. Please tell me you have shadowplay and recorded that.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:31
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Had a weird pair of games on Hanamura last night. First we're on defense, they overrun us and take point A pretty quickly but we hold them off B for a good three minutes. Then they give up on concentrated pushing and just wander in bits at a time. The pharah is shooting rockets at my turrets so we flank and take her out. Reinhardt and mercy come in solo on the hallway side so I carve them up with Symmetra. They come right back but this time Mei is hiding behind them so I get killed but my team finishes them off. Tracer keeps zipping in to test the point. Our reaper, hanzo and d.va are out front and keep skirmishing and winning so we aren't seeing much action on the point. I chase the tracer into the medpack room on the side balcony and finish her off, then suddenly see the point countdown. I sprint for it but despite making it to the center of the roombefore the timer is up the game says we lost the point and the DEFEAT screen pops up. The pharah and mercy had just walked right in the front door missing all of us defenders while we were hunting down the others. Good old tunnel vision. So on offense against the same opponents we overrun A really quickly thanks to a great Reinhardt, and Lucio speed boosting casualties back to the front. Our second push at point B, the rein and I walk right onto the point and huddle behind his shield as a hanzo, torb + turret and tracer shoot at us from their back hallway. The capture winds up, they continue to shoot, his shield cracks a bit, and VICTORY. That was it. Not one of them thought to step on the point I guess. Maybe they were giving back to us after we handed them their last win?
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Jun 15, 2016 19:34
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Thor-Stryker posted:I had a pubbie complain about all the Zenyattas he's seeing thanks to the Widow nerf. That's what happens when an entire class is supressed because of an imbalance over a few weeks. He's right to complain because Zenyatta is Still Bad.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:35
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Nehru the Damaja posted:He's right to complain because Zenyatta is Still Bad. He might not be optimal but he is so much more fun to play now that you don't get oneshotted by widowmakers all the time.
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Just had a team so bad they gave up two Dorado cap points before my Symmetra ult finished charging, quality. Now I have to attack with them. e: Got near the end then started attacking one at a time and ignoring the enemy mercy, what a shock. Back to the queue for me NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 19:42
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Knifegrab posted:Its really that easy for fucks sake stop filtering into the point one at a time god no what are you doing winston why did you jump into the middle of six of them... its me, i'm the lucio that goes ham and runs into the point with the whole enemy team there (cuz fuckin no one else will  )
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Jun 15, 2016 19:44
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Antoine Silvere posted:its me, i'm the lucio that goes ham and runs into the point with the whole enemy team there (cuz fuckin no one else will At least you can wall run and b-hop like a mad man with infinite health as you amp it up. And running into a point is a decent strat to extend overtime. Otherwise you are a garbage human and I hate you.
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Antoine Silvere posted:its me, i'm the lucio that goes ham and runs into the point with the whole enemy team there (cuz fuckin no one else will I do this more often than I'd care to, but most of the time it's me going "okay, we really need to recap the point, I have Amp it Up and I can see my teammates behind me, so they'll probably follow me to the point". Then they don't, and I die.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:46
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Where is our loving Lucio!?!? Oh. Nevermind, he's on the ceiling.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:47
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More like I spend 30+ seconds running circles around the enemy team stalling the payload/point expecting teammates to follow me, and then they don't, and then I die.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:51
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I'm the dumbass who leaps on to the point solo against a whole team I'll admit. Usually it's because I'll be with my whole team and we'll be ready to attack and I assume that we're all going to do that so I leap in to draw attention and try to pressure their healer and back line, then I'll look back and notice no one else is coming to the point and I die.
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Dias posted:I do this more often than I'd care to, but most of the time it's me going "okay, we really need to recap the point, I have Amp it Up and I can see my teammates behind me, so they'll probably follow me to the point". "Assuming my team will move ahead with me" is probably my #1 cause of deaths. I can't play Reinhardt anymore because apparently walking forwards with my shield up is moving too quickly and aggressively for 90% of players to keep up. They need to sit back around the corner and have a good think before committing to any rash courses of action.
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piratepilates posted:Please tell me you have shadowplay and recorded that. If I had had Shadowplay running, I definitely would've. Antoine Silvere posted:its me, i'm the lucio that goes ham and runs into the point with the whole enemy team there (cuz fuckin no one else will If anyone's going to charge into the point alone, Lucio has a better chance than most. Wall-running, cross-fading, and amping like mad can keep you alive for a surprisingly long time
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Jun 15, 2016 19:52
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I just bought this game Saturday and I regret not buying it sooner. I'm tired of playing pubs though, when do most US goons get on? None of my friends have it for PC so I can't play with them.
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The Jumpoff posted:I just bought this game Saturday and I regret not buying it sooner. I'm tired of playing pubs though, when do most US goons get on? None of my friends have it for PC so I can't play with them. Goons are 100% no better than pubs.
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Xaris posted:More like I spend 30+ seconds running circles around the enemy team stalling the payload/point expecting teammates to follow me, and then they don't, and then I die. Triarii posted:I can't play Reinhardt anymore because apparently walking forwards with my shield up is moving too quickly and aggressively for 90% of players to keep up. They need to sit back around the corner and have a good think before committing to any rash courses of action. Oh, these also happens way too often. There's a third desync issue too, the whole team moving forward, you commiting to the push as a support or tank, then EVERYONE all of a sudden backing the gently caress off, leaving you stranded against 4 other guys. It's not even a strategic retreat, it's a "oh poo poo they can shoot back!" reaction.
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Mierenneuker posted:As someone who played League of Legends for a couple years I have to say that it's really for Blizzard's own benefit. Riot Games once got excited and gave a sneak peek of an upcoming new character with the caveat that he wasn't coming soon and was subject to change. That lead to answering questions about him every month, even after they admitted they had problems actually realizing the character during his development. After several years they ended up doing a different take on the character, but I bet they are still occasionally answering questions about that sneak peek from 2013 to this very day. Well I wasn't really criticizing it. I think it was a pretty good response on his part, all things considered. He's definitely learning after the whole Tracer thing.
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Knifegrab posted:Goons are 100% no better than pubs. I don't want better teammates, I want teammates I can do dumb poo poo with.
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Jun 15, 2016 19:59
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Triarii posted:"Assuming my team will move ahead with me" is probably my #1 cause of deaths. this game desperately needs a "GO GO GO!" or "attack now!" voice command of some kind. hitting F on the point marker isn't imperative enough ("Kerrzhe wants to capture the objective!" like yeah no poo poo), and it's hard to actually point at the icon if you happen to be dead and the spectator camera is locked at a bad angle.
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yeah sometimes that happens when playing reinhardt, often I find myself just saying 'gently caress it' and start killing people and I wind up with top kills and damage while my team whines about what a 'bad tank' i am
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Verranicus posted:Mccree is fine and the only people who are complaining are the ones who did nothing but flashbang+RMB all day every day. 19 fan the hammer kills 20 eliminations total
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