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Hollismason posted:This is a good post and really interesting . More examples please. As somebody who I recall posting occasionally about laws that touch on disability-related issues, you might be interested in what happened with the sig brace. This article seems like a decent overview.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm thinking more EPA. Some sort of semi-objective analysis of how useful a given gun is for criminal vs. lawful purposes like that would be pretty useful in theory. Problem is, any actual evidence-based line you draw is either going to exempt a lot of movie bad guy seeming guns that are the main goal of many gun control advocates or ban a whole lot of common purpose guns usually cited as okay by the "I don't want to take all guns, just make common sense restrictions" camp. More likely, it will simultaneously do both.
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https://twitter.com/motherjones/status/743179948039430146 Buckle up, buckaroos.
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haveblue posted:This, and they probably don't want an alligator that's figured out small humans are easy to take and taste good running around. To be fair, pretty much all alligators already think this about anything smaller than themselves.
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Jun 15, 2016 21:40
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Ballz posted:https://twitter.com/motherjones/status/743179948039430146 no new investigatiopn, just a collection of like news reports and poo poo from back in december
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Ballz posted:https://twitter.com/motherjones/status/743179948039430146 Was getting a blank pdf on the mother jones page and thought it was a greatest non Onion article ever.  Loaded after scrolling down though.
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Oh? That's disappointing oppo research for the DNC then.
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Also making sure the kid is either alive or dead for sure. Aside from other good reasons to recover the remains listed already.
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Jun 15, 2016 21:42
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Makes the GOP look even dumber if the DNC had 200 pages of organized and sourced attacks on Trump back in December, whereas no GOP campaign had anything until February
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:no new investigatiopn, just a collection of like news reports and poo poo from back in december I just find it funny that it's 211 pages.
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I sure as hell wouldn't want a gator randomly crapping kid parts on my property.
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Uroboros posted:Is the media simply not covering her rallies like they do for Trump and Sanders? If excitement is judged by the emotional outpouring you receive from your followers it seems she isn't getting people nearly fired up as the other two, unless you're implying this has been entirely misrepresented. I assume people who are voting for Hillary are doing it because they are pragmatic or don't particularly find Sander's socialist rhetoric appealing. Remind me how doing rallies worked out for the other guy? Because that's kind of your answer for why those aren't happening. Hosting big rallies costs money. You can spend that money a lot smarter by using that money to hire campaign workers, run research, pay for various forms of ads way in advance (to lock in good prices, and more importantly to take up space so opponents can't run ads. Obama's 2008 campaign was famous for that), and so on. And if the primary campaign was any indication hosting big rallies doesn't mean the people you have there bother to do the most important thing: vote.
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It seems like they only got their hands on the generic stuff that would probably get distributed to all surrogates and whatnot, just a cliff notes on all the stupid poo poo he's said, not any actual research. I'm very surprised if all the Democrats have is a pile of news articles you can find with google. But it's still noteworthy that they had someone put this together in December.
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I'm beginning to think putting all semi-automatic weapons with a detachable magazine on the NFA, removing suppressors from the NFA, and reopening the NFA registry might be my favorite idea
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:no new investigatiopn, just a collection of like news reports and poo poo from back in december Just scrolling through looking for dirt, and it's pretty interesting that he's quoted as saying "the fun is in the getting, not the having" re: business deals (and women), because it lines up perfectly with what people like Prester Jane have been saying - that he's almost certainly not actually interested in BEING the president.
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MariusLecter posted:Putin's nuclear is tippy top? Seriously? I used to frequent another forum and when Russia started their invasion of Ukraine, every russophile came crawling out of the woodwork and proclaimed the superiority of Russian engineering, and they were quite adamant about US nuclear weaponry being outdated and barely functional, as opposed to Putin's new Wunderwaffe. While in the real world, a russian plane got shot down over Turkey because their faulty bargain store GPS was installed as an afterthought because their own navigation system is still not operational.
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eviltastic posted:As somebody who I recall posting occasionally about laws that touch on disability-related issues, you might be interested in what happened with the sig brace. This article seems like a decent overview. That is kind of interesting because the intent is to modify it so that a person wtih a disability can fire it as it is intended. Still don't understand the whole deal with Short Barrel Rifles.
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Ballz posted:https://twitter.com/motherjones/status/743179948039430146 I like the story of the made up Civil War battle
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An assault weapon is defined as an object which fires small bits of metal at sufficient speed to kill a person, and is specifically designed to commit assault on a human being. Yes, this includes hand guns. If you think anything that fits that description belongs in the hands of anyone not specifically authorized to commit murder, you should put on your Big Boy Pants and put down the James Bond books. This isn't rocket science. There, gun debate over. Now let's discuss how Hillary "Hard rear end" Clinton is going to stomp on the throats of Republicans for the next eight years.
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ColdPie posted:An assault weapon is defined as an object which fires small bits of metal at sufficient speed to kill a person, and is specifically designed to commit assault on a human being. Yes, this includes hand guns. If you think anything that fits that description belongs in the hands of anyone not specifically authorized to commit murder, you should put on your Big Boy Pants and put down the James Bond books. This isn't rocket science. I consider that group to be "the proletariat" so I think we're in agreement here.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I'm cool with this. Not sure why you keep bringing up muzzle velocities, higher muzzle velocities tend to correspond with hunting rifles not the weapons you are trying to keep off the streets. The most dangerous weapons in the hands of criminals are low muzzle velocity and your 3,000 FPS limit would easily be circumvented with an AR15 by using a little less powder in your load (which brings up a whole other issue with trying to regulate muzzle velocity).
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^^ Also this.ColdPie posted:An assault weapon is defined as an object which fires small bits of metal at sufficient speed to kill a person, and is specifically designed to commit assault on a human being. That's actually a pretty uselessly vague definition. How do you define "designed to commit assault on a human being"? What does that even mean in practical terms? The kind of guns people want to have more tightly regulated (or just banned) are easily defined by their mechanical function: semi-automatic firearms with detachable box magazines. That leaves revolvers and pump action/lever action/bolt action shotguns and rifles with fixed magazines that hold... let's call it 10 rounds or less. Which covers anything a non-wackadoo actually might need.
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theflyingorc posted:The titular line AND the title line. Who's forcing you to say that? How many poo sticks do they have?
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sean10mm posted:That's actually a pretty uselessly vague definition. How do you define "designed to commit assault on a human being"? What does that even mean in practical terms? Not useful for any purpose other than killing humans or training to kill humans. I.e. hunting is still OK.
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http://theslot.jezebel.com/senate-votes-to-require-women-to-register-for-the-draft-1782031229quote:The Senate has approved a defense budget that would also require women to register for the draft. The new rules would apply to any woman who turns 18 on or after January 1, 2018. The key opponents to drafting women were conservative Republicans, including your old friend, botched Madam Tussauds exhibit Ted Cruz.
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Lol if that's all the hackers got. That shouldn't impact anything at all.
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Ballz posted:https://twitter.com/motherjones/status/743179948039430146 nothing about ivanka in the children section?
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ColdPie posted:Not useful for any purpose other than killing humans or training to kill humans. I.e. hunting is still OK. Your definition already poo poo itself, because AR-15s are widely used for shooting varmints and target shooting. e: There are a whole range of AR-15s sold specifically as "varminters."
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If it's a type of gun that's been used to kill human beings in this country at some point in the past five years, it's banned. If we want guns for fun, then calm the gently caress down.
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Trabisnikof posted:From a risk analysis point, not really. But I agree, we probably don't need annual gun inspections. Actually it's still really important from a risk analysis viewpoint. Pulling numbers completely out of my arse, suppose you have a law making it inconvenient to have an automatic weapon/have a lovely car emissions system. Let's say that both laws can be easily and legally bypassed, but are enough to deter 95% of the general gun/car-using population. For cars, that's great, because one car driver is pretty much like another - even allowing for SUVs and similar, your policy will still probably be at least 90% effective. For guns, that's less great, because almost all of the criminals and mass shooters you were trying to deal with in the first place will be part of the 5% bypassing the law. So your policy doesn't do poo poo. (Normally you'd get at least some benefit from people being too stupid to use google, but if these nudge-nudge-wink-wink things are being sold in mainstream gun shops then you don't even get that.) Basically, as far as I can tell, if you're trying to make mass shooting-friendly weapons illegal then you basically have to ban all guns except bolt-action rifles and derringers. This would be fine by me, but probably won't be feasible for another few decades, so it would be better to come up with an alternative approach in the meantime.
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Browsing this hacker dump and I'm not entirely sure this isn't a planned thing to give her oppo files to SuperPACs in a legal way I definitely don't see how it hurts her
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Dexo posted:http://theslot.jezebel.com/senate-votes-to-require-women-to-register-for-the-draft-1782031229 Rep. Duncan Hunter, you god drat idiot. 
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Chuck Todd is interview Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson and he's pretty much confirming that this whole "ok, we'll do something about gun control" thing is a smoke screen. He repeatedly says "we'll talk and see what we need" but every time Todd brings up something specific like gun shows, private sellers, more ATF workers, etc. Johnson just shoots it down and says "no, we don't need that." They're just holding a media fillibuster waiting for the next story to make this go away. Then for kicks he asked Johnson about Trump's comments and if he was comfortable running with him and Johnson's responded (twice) with "hope springs eternal."
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Epic High Five posted:Browsing this hacker dump and I'm not entirely sure this isn't a planned thing to give her oppo files to SuperPACs in a legal way No but she is bad with computers. She can't even email right. Couldn't have planned anything no siree.
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sean10mm posted:Your definition already poo poo itself, because AR-15s are widely used for shooting varmints and target shooting. OK you win, no guns for hunting either. Use crossbows.
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ColdPie posted:An assault weapon is defined as an object which fires small bits of metal at sufficient speed to kill a person, and is specifically designed to commit assault on a human being. Yes, this includes hand guns. If you think anything that fits that description belongs in the hands of anyone not specifically authorized to commit authorized murder Lol at the TASER being an assault weapon. Also nice job giving the state total control over morality, life and death. Very liberal of you. (Oh no wait, eat poo poo you fascist)
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ColdPie posted:OK you win, no guns for hunting either. Use crossbows. Can't we just pass a law that shames hunters into "hunting like real men"?
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ColdPie posted:OK you win, no guns for hunting either. Use crossbows. I think you misunderstand me, actually I'm cool with banning all kinds of poo poo, just based on quantifiable things like "Can it shoot a shitload of bullets really fast without reloading?" Because that's what has no practical use outside killing shitloads of people.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Lol at the TASER being an assault weapon. Also nice job giving the state total control over morality, life and death. Very liberal of you. (Oh no wait, eat poo poo you fascist) You say this like the people with their thumb on the most powerful military apparatus the world has ever known don't already control life and death in a very real way.
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