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Jun 14, 2016 19:54
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i'm just being stupid. i used to have those problems many years ago (blah blah "read the fuckin release notes") but it is not as bad today. they have some p good resources that are applicable across distro, although the community is generally hostile, and the advice of "just use arch" is often not useful
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Jun 14, 2016 20:07
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OldAlias posted:i'm just being stupid. i used to have those problems many years ago (blah blah "read the fuckin release notes") but it is not as bad today. they have some p good resources that are applicable across distro, although the community is generally hostile, and the advice of "just use arch" is often not useful Arch has really good resources because it's essentially necessary to run Arch.
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Jun 15, 2016 01:01
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is manjaro any good? considering using it for a ham radio laptop
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Jun 15, 2016 01:40
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atomicthumbs posted:is manjaro any good? considering using it for a ham radio laptop It's what my laptop runs. I see it as Arch for people who don't want to test every update themselves.
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atomicthumbs posted:is manjaro any good? considering using it for a ham radio laptop I took it for a test spin and it seemed fine, everything worked out of the box minus my track pad. I liked it, but I wasn't really willing to put in the research to make sure it wasn't Ubuntu the Arch version. If I was looking at Arch i'd probably just install Arch. Though if you're going to dick around with a Linux the official yospos distro's are Cent, RHEL, and Fedora. I was using openSUSE tumbleweed for a media box, I liked it. Unfortunately I didn't read up on BTRFS.
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Jun 15, 2016 01:55
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how is fedora on laptops? i still like the idea of running it but i like having lots of ham radio software accessible of note: it is important that the sound card works properly also i like an lxqt distro
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Jun 15, 2016 02:16
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atomicthumbs posted:how is fedora on laptops? It's good enough? Every time I go back to it on recommendations I always end up going "this install is pretty slow and this installer is kind of ugly" followed up by "This entire thing is pretty slow but it's alright I guess I mean I have no real complaints but I have no real things I like about it either it's just another distro" in a long run on sentence like that. I guess maybe just more powerful hardware than anything I have is needed for Fedora (which isn't saying much) but I can't think of much in its favor short of it pushing innovation without being as prone to breakages as some rolling releases can be which is probably not really worth that much to be honest, I've only really had a rolling release go bad on me twice, once due to a drive issue (Suse Tumbleweed) and once due to an actual update it downloaded that killed the system (Netrunner).
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Jun 15, 2016 03:01
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Fedora is fine. If you're worried about slow running on old hardware try out crunchbang++ it's nice.
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Jun 15, 2016 03:41
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moonshine is...... posted:Arch has really good resources because it's essentially necessary to run Arch. Arch is the new Gentoo. It's not something I'd run, but they do have a drat good wiki. Because they require it On DEs, I haven't used gnome in a while, but KDE is basically windows out of the box, except while each release of windows allows you to customize less, KDE keeps going the other way. Some don't like that because they feel like they have to change everythin? I just run the default config with a tiling window script and a couple hotkeys changed and it works great for my laptop.
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Jun 15, 2016 10:26
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Actually Arch owns because they basically just package the latest upstream versions and release them as soon as is reasonably practical and in all other respects they stay out of the way. There is the odd configuration file that needs writing here and there but really it isn't significantly harder to set up from scratch than Windows is when you factor in all the bullshit driver chasing involved with Windows. On that note, here's a really good article by an Arch maintainer: http://kmkeen.com/maintainers-matter/ Recently the The article above makes a very compelling case for why this might actually be a bad idea in general (gist of it being that distro packagers might slow releases down a little bit, but having an unaffiliated human being in the loop to keep the upstream developer honest is a really important function that people won't appreciate until it's gone).
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Jun 16, 2016 00:00
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atomicthumbs posted:how is fedora on laptops? i still like the idea of running it but i like having lots of ham radio software accessible running it on a laptop now, it's fine
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Jun 16, 2016 00:44
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Arch's documentation isn't even really that expansive or thorough. It's just amazingly good at quickly running through all the important options, edge cases, and common use cases.
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Jun 16, 2016 00:58
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atomicthumbs posted:how is fedora on laptops? i still like the idea of running it but i like having lots of ham radio software accessible it is fine, sound wont be an issue. external monitors work and are functional but are a total loving pain in the dick and i want to throw my laptop out the window every day because of it.
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Jun 16, 2016 01:00
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:Arch's documentation isn't even really that expansive or thorough. It's just amazingly good at quickly running through all the important options, edge cases, and common use cases. 
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Jun 16, 2016 01:33
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stop making me want to play with arch again, I don't have time for that poo poo
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Jun 16, 2016 02:13
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well good news you can enjoy 100% of the benefits of arch (the documentation) without even installing arch.
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Jun 16, 2016 03:04
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:well good news you can enjoy 100% of the benefits of arch (the documentation) without even installing arch. yeah, instead let's use a desktop distribution that has really outdated versions of the software i like to use or has loving ads and spyware built into it (on a server you want the rock solid stability of centos, obviously)
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Jun 16, 2016 03:14
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well, you can install any linux and even osx and the good news is that the arch linux wiki will still be really useful to you
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Jun 16, 2016 03:20
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i really wish the forums were equally good. if the quality of the forums matched the quality of the wiki, you'd probably have yourself some sort of premiere linux community
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Mr Dog posted:Actually
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i really wish the forums were equally good. same
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Suspicious Dish posted:i'm really disappointed i ever associated myself with gnome. greatest moment in the linux thread. i'm calling it now, it can't get better than this
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Jun 16, 2016 04:11
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VikingofRock posted:Yeah I see a lot of people complain about gnome, but I also see people complain about pretty much all of the popular DEs so it's hard to tell what is actually bad and what is just a result of people declaring that everything is terrible. I was looking at KDE because the customizability sounds kind of neat, but I think people tend to not like KDE for some reason that I'm not entirely clear on. the kde 3 to kde 4 transition was an un-ending horror show. it took them almost ten years to re-implement most kde 3.x's featureset on the 4.x frameworks. if you had the misfortune of using kde during this period nothing worked and googling poo poo didn't turn up a solution because it referred to kde 3 they learned from this experience and kde 5 is not going to have that kind of transition
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Jun 16, 2016 04:12
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Suspicious Dish posted:we've been talking about it at the office and we cannot find where the supposed upside is i am about 90% sure the reason to do this is so that they can CLOSED: WONTFIX all bug reports about source compatibility they broke your app on purpose, it's a feature!!!
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Jun 16, 2016 04:13
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i really wish the forums were equally good. not every forum can match the newb friendliness and depth of expertise of the pos
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hobbesmaster posted:as do i mac on the street, linux in the sheets
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the GIMP Tool Kit
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Mr Dog posted:yeah, instead let's use a desktop distribution that has really outdated versions of the software i like to use or has loving ads and spyware built into it ehhhh, I mean it's been a long time since I used Arch, but I actually like being able to use my computer without janitoring. every hour I do I'm losing time I could've been billing, I like stability. I can always run a quick compile on a piece of software that I NEED to be latest, and I feel that's quicker than dealing with everything being a little bit self assembled.
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atomicthumbs posted:The GIMP Tool Kit Problem? Bitch?
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some update happened on fedora and then my laptop wouldn't boot so i just booted to the previous entry in the automatically set up GRUB boot menu and everything was fine for a week or so and then something else updated and everything worked fine
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Jun 16, 2016 15:04
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as horrible as it sounds, the issue that kind of kept me from using arch was that the fonts dont look quite right i unironically like the ubuntu font, it looks realy good in terminal windows under kubuntu, but even with the same font package installed in arch, nothing looks quite the same and it's surprisingly jarring, i have been using kubuntu for a little over 6 years and thats a lot of time to get used to very small things, to the degree that in a arch install i get the feeling of "everything looks slightly wrong somehow" and the main thing that was going to push me to arch instead of kubuntu 16.04 was the window manager (plasma desktop) crashing every single time i hotplugged or hotunplugged a external monitor, and that no longer occurs, so eh i could post a side-by-side font rendering screenshot for comparison but that will take a lot more effort than i am willing to put toward an arch install in a VM at the moment
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Lysidas posted:as horrible as it sounds, the issue that kind of kept me from using arch was that the fonts dont look quite right did you use infinality?
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Jun 16, 2016 15:26
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looks like the community continuation of crunchbang finally released a release
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Jun 16, 2016 21:48
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Posting from a freshly installed Fedora machine. Feels good so far..
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Jun 16, 2016 22:29
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eschaton posted:I use macOS, the world's most advanced personal computer operating system. i like the new-old name. OS X used to look like a box of poison 
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Jun 16, 2016 22:40
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b0red posted:did you use infinality? i've never seen a screenshot of what infinality does to fonts
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Lysidas posted:as horrible as it sounds, the issue that kind of kept me from using arch was that the fonts dont look quite right yeah I recently looked at debian, fedora, and ubuntu, and whatever ubuntu does with fonts looked way better than the other two.
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