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do they say daabu.
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My tummy feels funny.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:38
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Both lore wise and just thematically fel magic is the end stage malignant form of magic instead of being an actually better and stronger form of magic. It's only shown in the movie solving problems that wouldn't have existed if it hadn't caused the problems to begin with. It's usually presented as a shortcut to power in the games. It also cuts through defenses effectively, at least in WCIII and in lore.
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Jun 14, 2016 23:53
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i think the movie would've succeeded if during some battle someone yelled THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR CITY
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Jun 15, 2016 00:03
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I did like that little scene where the camera flies, birds eye, over a bunch of random RTS scenes. Here's a forest with a Orc base it. Whip over to a lakefront city being attacked. Whip over to another place being attacked.
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Jun 15, 2016 00:25
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Hodgepodge posted:It's usually presented as a shortcut to power in the games. It also cuts through defenses effectively, at least in WCIII and in lore. I think across fiction in general evil demon magic is shown to be destructive but never able to actually get you the things you want.
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Jun 15, 2016 00:53
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Buckwheat Sings posted:My tummy feels funny. You buy full version? Please?
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Jun 15, 2016 01:00
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The movie wouldve been better if provided nostalgia about the gameplay.. Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's almost like it turned out guldan was a really bad leader and not a good leader and his plan to use evil murder magic was a bad plan that didn't actually accomplish things except to cause more problems. This itself didn't make sense, since their culture supposedly settle things by single unarmed combat, any strongman could've killed guldan long ago. Fojar38 posted:Yeah one of the movies big flaws was all you get on the Orcs background was "Our world is dying" and it doesn't tell you that the reason it's dying is because the Orcs all shacked up with a warlock that siphoned life from the planet for personal power I got that part, but the magic he got paled in comparison to a free magic the humans got, which is my reason for pitying the dumb orcs and their lovely resources. What would be the reason for this, it removes all suspense because orcs were clearly weaker in all aspect of combat save for brute force, which was balanced by their slowness? The first human guardian got to hang around as as a spirit to guide our heroes and past on her powers or whatever, so prolong magic use doesn't seem to affect humans at all. Humans got everything, they even made up stories about darkness blah blah to psych themselves up, when there was essentially no danger if they dispatched a single wizard. Or maybe fling rocks from a griphon since orcs had no air attacks. AbrahamLincolnLog posted:There was a scene where the Frostwolves discuss that fel is naturally corrupt and use the natural surroundings as a point. All around the orc camp, the plants died, but everywhere else plant life flourished, then they talk about how fel will just have them jump from one planet to another, always invading, rather than having a home. Can you really trust the words of a traitor? Plus how smart was he? He got his position by being the strongest.. His big decision in the movie involved turning his back on his dying race, since his wife and kids are already here, and it's nice, why ruin it with the others? He betrayed dude who saved his baby. He was scared to face guldan but he handily beat him in single combat. How smart is this guy? And how much did anyone tell him about anything? We're simply suppose to feel he's smart because he has empathy for the people he's conquering pretty much, but there is no evidence that he has the full picture of what went on back home. That scene where he was staring at the magic shield during the raid was hilarious.. What is this sorcery?! Poor dumb orcs. The fel, what is it, is it a pond that the guardian and guldan touch? Is it just in the air and effects all who attempt magic? This is important in judging guldan, as perhaps he saw the fel absorbing life slowly, learned a way to channel it, united the orcs and made them stronger to be able to escape their doomed homeland. Whatever the fel is, the cost is complete bullshit compared to the rewards, even more pronounced by the completely free poo poo humans got.
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Jun 15, 2016 01:02
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think across fiction in general evil demon magic is shown to be destructive but never able to actually get you the things you want. Dr. Faustus got a pretty good deal. He (Marlowe) would have even been saved if he wasn't so afraid of being ripped to shreds he couldn't repent. In the Goethe version, God saves him with the power of homoerotic angel butts. Really. Oddly enough, fiction has actually soured on the idea of deals with the devil.
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It's unfortunate the other big Orcish magical tradition was never shown, elemental shamanism and ancestral spirit communication/summoning. Also to the guy talking about Fel and Arcane magic and how one has a cost and the other doesn't that's not quite true. Arcane Magic is natural to Azeroth, and flows from the Ley-Lines of the planet, so the cost isn't obvious. Draenor actually does have Arcane magic, the Orcs just never worked out how to use it, but the Draeni can. Fel magic isn't natural anywhere and is inherently destructive. It slowly saps the life out of everything because it comes from the Twisting Nether, literal hell, and feeds on life/soul energy. Gul'Dan had magic before he used Fel just like Medivh, which from what I'm hearing should definitely have been brought up. He used to be a Shaman and he got seduced by demons. Fel Magic is raw power at the cost of lovely control and finesse. Also Medivh beings young fucks a lot of things because a large part of his magical skills are a combination of being the Gaurdian of Tirisfall, which gives a bunch of magical powers from other wizards, and spending something like 30+ years studying Arcane Magic. As a magical practice what the humans use is relatively scientific, compared to Fel Magic which works at the whims of demonic forces. Given time Orcs probably could have worked out Arcane Magic naturally, Gul'dan skipped that bit and went straight for the nutso soul magic from demons because he is an inherently selfish and power hungry rear end in a top hat. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Jun 15, 2016 02:05
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Femur posted:
Why did the human race in real life let Thomas Midgley Jr. live long enough to have an ironic death instead of anyone wising up and saying "hey, we need to stop giving this guy awards and start murdering this man"?
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Jun 15, 2016 02:19
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The humans have free magic because they are actually fleshy robots brought to the planet by a group of planet-sized aliens millions of years ago. I'm not making that up btw. And it might look like the humans have the advantage now but they get absolutely loving wrecked in Warcraft 3. Like, "There were 7 Kingdoms before and 1 Kingdom left after" hosed up.
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Jun 15, 2016 04:20
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An undead coup d'etat tends to do that to a civilization. The humans got wrecked but the orcs were long gone by the time that happened.
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Jun 15, 2016 04:59
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Hodgepodge posted:It's usually presented as a shortcut to power in the games. It also cuts through defenses effectively, at least in WCIII and in lore. In WoW at least Warlock magic is only a shortcut to power if you are weak-willed enough to allow it to control you. If you have the strength of self and talent and willpower to bend demons and dark magic to your will, you don't need to be beholden to evil and can use their power however you wish. That kind of discipline in turn takes as much training and effort as any other magic.
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Jun 15, 2016 05:08
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^ This is why my warlock was a Goblin. Screw mental fortitude, my warlock binds demons through black-and-white contracts. Pages and pages and pages of contracts. Fojar38 posted:The humans have free magic because they are actually fleshy robots brought to the planet by a group of planet-sized aliens millions of years ago. I'm not making that up btw. Not quite true, if I remember correctly. Humans are descended from giant-rear end humans who found their babies were not giant-rear end and sent them away rather than kill them. Gnomes were originally robots who (due to a curse by Literally Cthullu) became tiny people who have a habit of building robot versions of themselves. (This poo poo is why you can't hate Warcraft lore. It's totally bonkers.)
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Jun 15, 2016 05:28
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The Vrykul were definitely affected by the Curse of Flesh at some point.
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MisterBibs posted:^ This is why my warlock was a Goblin. Screw mental fortitude, my warlock binds demons through black-and-white contracts. Pages and pages and pages of contracts. The giant-rear end humans maybe were also giant-rear end robots originally? The ocean ones seem to be made of seaweed and there are other ones kind of made of ice, so maybe the humany ones were initially metal.
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Jun 15, 2016 05:56
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The Fel is oil.
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MisterBibs posted:^ This is why my warlock was a Goblin. Screw mental fortitude, my warlock binds demons through black-and-white contracts. Pages and pages and pages of contracts. So basically this. 
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Jun 15, 2016 06:42
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These long rants about the finer details of magic and whatever else have made me realize this movie never stood a chance as long as a WoW nerd was in a position of power.MisterBibs posted:(This poo poo is why you can't hate Warcraft lore. It's totally bonkers.) Watch me bitch
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Jun 15, 2016 12:08
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I kept on getting distracted by the human actors, like how each one looked like a budget version of a more famous actor. Medica was Jared Leto, Khadgar was Michael Pena and Llane was the dude that played Robert the Bruce in Braveheart. Lot harder didn't really look like anyone but his awful beard was pretty distracting.
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Jun 15, 2016 14:01
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I kept on getting distracted by the human actors, like how each one looked like a budget version of a more famous actor. Medica was Jared Leto, Khadgar was Michael Pena and Llane was the dude that played Robert the Bruce in Braveheart. Lot harder didn't really look like anyone but his awful beard was pretty distracting. I kept trying to tell if something with the camera work or effects was squishing the picture vertically, every single actor in this whole movie had an oval shaped head.
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Jun 15, 2016 14:22
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Fojar38 posted:And it might look like the humans have the advantage now but they get absolutely loving wrecked in Warcraft 3. Like, "There were 7 Kingdoms before and 1 Kingdom left after" hosed up. Well, only two human kingdoms get destroyed in Warcraft 3. At the start of Warcraft 1, there are seven human kingdoms: Stormwind, Arathor, Lordaeron, Dalaran, Kul Tiras, Gilneas, and Alterac. Stormwind is destroyed in Warcraft 1. Alterac is destroyed in Warcraft 2. Gilneas leaves the Alliance after Warcraft 2. Lordaeron and Dalaran are destroyed in Warcraft 3. Arathor is destroyed after Warcraft 3. Stormwind is rebuilt after Warcraft 3. WoW eventually filled in what happened with Gilneas after WC2 (in short, werewolves) and Dalaran eventually rebuilt itself, but Kul Tiras is ???.
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Jun 15, 2016 21:43
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It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I will say though that as a huge nerd I have read a lot of the lore so things made sense, god help you if you hadn't. It's a shame there probably won't be any other movies, would really like to see the arthas story line get turned into a film.
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Jun 16, 2016 00:36
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Cythereal posted:Well, only two human kingdoms get destroyed in Warcraft 3. The fall of Stromgarde and Gilneas were both due to the events of WC3 but yes, technically it wasn't all in Warcraft 3 but in the 4 years between WC3 and WoW At the start of WC3 you had 7 human kingdoms in existence with one being occupied by the Alliance and as of WoW you have one still in existence and one whose status is still unknown. It was a relentless ownage that humanity will take centuries to recover from. I remember some book saying that over half of the entire human race was killed in the events of Warcraft 3.
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Jun 16, 2016 02:20
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Tbf that's getting a bit away from the main point re: orcs as a threatening presence, as humanity getting turbofucked had little to do with them and much more to do with the combo platter of a literal zombie plague and a demonic invasion
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Jun 16, 2016 02:37
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mr. stefan posted:Tbf that's getting a bit away from the main point re: orcs as a threatening presence, as humanity getting turbofucked had little to do with them and much more to do with the combo platter of a literal zombie plague and a demonic invasion Well, yes. If Warcraft is consistent about anything, it's that orcs are a self-destructive trainwreck of a society that only prospers when pointed at another species by an outside force.
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Jun 16, 2016 03:39
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Lordaeron was definitely the biggest human kingdom of the lot, and it got almost completely wiped out.
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Jun 16, 2016 03:39
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SHISHKABOB posted:Lordaeron was definitely the biggest human kingdom of the lot, and it got almost completely wiped out. Well, it mostly just turned all metal and stuff.
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Jun 16, 2016 03:40
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Yeah the Lordaeranians are still living in Lordeaeon. They're just not human anymore.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Yeah the Lordaeranians are still living in Lordeaeon. They're just not human anymore. This is a really, really, really generous interpretation of zombification considering the zombies literal souls have been altered, they have sworn allegiance to the Lich King/some retard elf, and have spent the last decade killing Lordaeranians or whatever the demonym is I do occasionally see people argue it in an attempt to frame the Alliance as the meanyheads though for fighting the death-camp erecting plague spreading soul shredding zombies because in Warcraft people are willing to die on the most retarded hills imaginable if it means their video game factions honor needs defending Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Jun 16, 2016 06:12
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Well to be fair, the it's not like the Alliance has never erected death camps itself.
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Hodgepodge posted:Well to be fair, the it's not like the Alliance has never erected death camps itself. I know that any long discussion of this should be taken over to the WoW subforum, but when? The Alliance built internment camps after the Second War specifically so they wouldn't have to kill all the orcs. They were basically damned whatever they did, and they chose the most human option.
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Mind over Matter posted:I know that any long discussion of this should be taken over to the WoW subforum, but when? The Alliance built internment camps after the Second War specifically so they wouldn't have to kill all the orcs. They were basically damned whatever they did, and they chose the most human option. Honestly, if you really want to go to bat for loving internment camps, the place is actually D&D. Do it do it do it 
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Jun 16, 2016 07:43
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Hodgepodge posted:Honestly, if you really want to go to bat for loving internment camps, the place is actually D&D. Hahahahaha noooo. I am not going to bat for internment camps as a good thing for one second. But there is still a difference between them and death camps. Mind over Matter posted:They were basically damned whatever they did,
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Jun 16, 2016 07:44
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Not that this subject has remotely the weight of the real deal, but that's generally how internment/death camps are defended in real life as well. If the game depicts that narrative as correct, that's still a decision by the developers to depict the practice as necessary, hard men making the hard choices, etc.
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Jun 16, 2016 08:50
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Hodgepodge posted:hard men Undoubtedly
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Jun 16, 2016 10:01
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Caught this again last night and any human scene is easily the worst thing about this movie... just like the game really. 
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Hodgepodge posted:Not that this subject has remotely the weight of the real deal, but that's generally how internment/death camps are defended in real life as well. If the game depicts that narrative as correct, that's still a decision by the developers to depict the practice as necessary, hard men making the hard choices, etc. It's depicted as "What do we do with a defeated but still angry and hostile army of bloodthirsty aliens?" Notably, the primary leader of the orcs defends the internment camps as ultimately the right decision because rather than kill all the orcs, it makes all the orcs go cold turkey from fel withdrawal and start the path towards redemption.
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That would hold weight if the primary leader of the orcs was an actual living breathing being instead of a mouthpiece for the writer
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