Richie Stardust posted:

That S2 engine is pretty sweet though. A lot of people don't know it, but the S2 uses a really neat cooling system that utilizes the fluid properties of ambient air to cool the engine. This frees up the mount for the stone-age cooler of the S "old man" 1 and allows for Ammo Can 2. I think as players start to see more and more NPCs cruising with S2s it will catch on. The NPCs will have a pretty ground breaking AI, but when the creative minds of individual Citizens start benchmarking the new S2 engines we will all be pretty astonished IMHO.


What do you think, homies? Think I got the chops for mini-truth Reddit?

redwalrus posted:

Backers literally think that Star Citizen npcs are going to walk around the world freely, call down their ships, live their space lives, travel home to distance galaxies, based on the latest ATV AI clips of a guy using a wrench animation in the corner on a space plant.

redwalrus posted:

Backers literally think that Star Citizen npcs are going to walk around the world freely, call down their ships, live their space lives, travel home to distance galaxies, based on the latest ATV AI clips of a guy using a wrench animation in the corner on a space plant.

Xaerael posted:

Fat Shat Sings posted:

To be honest I can no longer keep track of all the fake things they are selling. After the point of ridiculousness (100+ ships that don't exist) I start losing track.

After awhile it boils down to things like

-poo poo cig sells-

Much less the prices of each. I don't even remember a snub fighter at this point.

Colostomy Bag posted:

I can't stand to watch the tomorrow tour, was there a bouncer NPC and a guy sweeping a broom in it?

Maw posted:

Aha wait so in theory if this game was made you could crash whatever the cheapest ship was into some guys hundreds of dollars worth of ship and it'd be gone forever? I changed my mind this game is the best

peter gabriel posted:

if we are irrelevant then what are these guys?


Help me understand

Thoatse posted:

Heh yeah I didn't really mean you in particular, I've been seeing citizens saying this left and right though, and this is the one part of the game the spergs usually do have a grip on.



The tiny ship for $20 with lti was the first and only time CIG didn't *ridiculously overprice price something, and this new horrendous space mower sperg mobile is almost double the cost and looks lame as gently caress.













*still overpriced, just not ridiculously so

Beet Wagon posted:

Oh yeah, it was a huge deal. Ships without LTI could be permanently lost if the sperg forgot to keep up his insurance policy. At first they billed it like it was gonna be a big deal, so suckers bought in early to get LTI on all their jpegs. Then they stopped selling ships with LTI and backers revolted - nobody bought new ships for a while because they knew that if they did and they forgot to pay their loving ship bill, I'd come along and slam into them with my stupid $75 shitheap and ruin their "investment".

So CIG started walking it back - talking about how insurance would be super cheap and you'd buy it in like six month increments and there'd be huge warnings if you tried to leave port without it, etc. etc. Then when that didn't work they started offering LTI on the first sale for every concept so if you wanted LTI on your Giant Stupid Mining Ship you just had to make sure you bought it right at the beginning. Then people bitched about that so they made cross-chassis upgrades universal so now you can upgrade from anything to anything which means that if you have an expensive Autism Chariot without LTI on it it's because you're a TRIPLE IDIOT - Once for backing Star Citizen, Twice for buying an $800 spaceship, and Three times for not melting it, getting a loving riding lawnmower, and upgrading it.

gently caress that got me salty. Well that and a stupid Discovery Channel thing.

Have a video of my dog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HazZFSTd9M

notoriousman posted:

It's Twitch, desperate pandering to the point of bribing your viewers comes with the territory.

also I guess this is a thing :

Colostomy Bag posted:

I've searched and searched, but can't find the Lesnick post where he says "LTI isn't a big deal" when they went to selling new concepts with LTI.

Did like this one though:

Wafflz posted:

So they can't just buy this ship and melt and stick the insurance on a ship they already have in their hangar, they have to buy a new ship with the store credit from this one?

Richie Stardust posted:

That S2 engine is pretty sweet though. A lot of people don't know it, but the S2 uses a really neat cooling system that utilizes the fluid properties of ambient air to cool the engine. This frees up the mount for the stone-age cooler of the S "old man" 1 and allows for Ammo Can 2. I think as players start to see more and more NPCs cruising with S2s it will catch on. The NPCs will have a pretty ground breaking AI, but when the creative minds of individual Citizens start benchmarking the new S2 engines we will all be pretty astonished IMHO.


What do you think, homies? Think I got the chops for mini-truth Reddit?

Paramemetic posted:

This is in accordance with my own theory. I'm not a gamedev, but let's take a trip down memory lane to another wonderful game developer, Piranha Games, and their lovely title, Mechwarrior Online.

See, Mechwarrior Online also uses CryEngine, sparing no expense to have made it able to handle 24 players at a time but no more than that on a map. In MWO, you pilot a bigass mech. But in early version of the game, even after the Beta "ended," there were serious problems about how the crosshairs worked.

When Star Citizen released their FPS elements, they also had serious problems with multiple crosshairs, or inaccurate crosshairs, or crosshairs that were waaaaay off the mark. This got me thinking about one of the problems faced by with MWO: the engine limitations for map sizes and specifically for map height.

In CryEngine, there is no maximum map height as its own metric. Anything about about 4012x4012 units (standard "unit" is 2m) becomes unrunnable and is not recommended in CryEngine's own documentation. Map height is controlled by the terrain height settings, which give another 255 units to work with, and the skybox sits just above the terrain height max. The problem is that over a terrain height of about 50 units, rendering shits itself.

So what do you do if you want to make things seem big as hell without breaking your rendering above certain heights? You fudge with the unit size. By making everything super small, and adjusting the unit sizes accordingly, you can do what MWO did, which made 90' tall robots a mere 6' tall in relative engine unit size. The problem? The original crosshairs had been tied to the player viewpoint, but the player was now super goddamn small relative to the giant mech - so small, in fact, that the crosshairs couldn't track so finely and became unworkable. They fixed this by fixing the crosshairs relative to the cockpit - the player model in which you sit is just a point of view reference, but you are your mech.

Now, here's what set off my "oh god, no, don't do that Chris no don't aaaaagh" sensors, which I called out at the time as well:



One million km square and 200,000 height!? Sounds like they have found a way to get past the 4096x4096 unit size, right? Oh god, what it they just shrank everything down by 250x?????? 2m tall man becomes a 0.0008m tall man! No problem!

And then the engine shits itself because it can't handle that level of precision. And then you get collision errors because the engine is built for a unit size of 2m and you're running around with dudes that are 0.0008m tall. The maximum size of a CryEngine "world" is 64 maps of 4096 x 4096 x 255 (8024m x 8024m x 500m) and the Cryengine documentation itself says that anything bigger than that is completely unworkable.

But they have the crack CryEngine dudes there!

Okay? And that means they have a staff comprised of the very guys who wrote the documentation saying "there's no way around this it's a rendering nightmare to try." So they end up using a PGI solution.

But instead of a maximum of 24 players trying to track a scaling of a mere 3rd or 6th of the normal size, you have an attempt at even more players trying to track the location of objects that are 1/250th of their original size.

The result?

Star Citizen.



To be clear, this is speculation from an industry outsider who is only vaguely aware of mechanics and limitations, but not the reasons why, due to previous experience heckling poorly though out decisions involving CryEngine and the research resultant from that. While I don't know anything about game development, I also didn't make a product as bad as Star Citizen, so I mean, that would definitely be on my game dev resume.

Paramemetic:
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Edit: corrected some numbers

SelenicMartian posted:

Most of the NPC lineup were there in the tour.

SelenicMartian posted:

If you watch the AI flyby closely you'll see an NPC in the foreground snap into a different position. Also, a woman grabbing her stomach and a man next to her covering his nose. It's a parp.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

:ironikayak:

Thoatse posted:

Photoshop request: The new space mower changed to John Deere green with logo and the 'Nothing Flies Like A Deere' slogan. TIA

Thoatse posted:

Photoshop request: The new space mower changed to John Deere green with logo and the 'Nothing Flies Like A Deere' slogan. TIA

Dante80 posted:

Oh, now I understand it all.