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Count Chocula posted:Are there any good non-rear end in a top hat/NRX adjacent sites for nihilism and antinatalism? quote:VHEMT (pronounced vehement) is a movement not an organization. It’s a movement advanced by people who care about life on planet Earth. We’re not just a bunch of misanthropes and anti-social, Malthusian misfits, taking morbid delight whenever disaster strikes humans. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Voluntary human extinction is the humanitarian alternative to human disasters.
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an encouraging alternative: the complete annihilation of the human race
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Woolie Wool posted:No because they are bad ideologies, find better ones. Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos. Also nihilism has literally always been an indeterminate snarl word except for its usage by various confused teens, Ray Brassier, and some long-dead Russians.
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According to some definitions, I am a nihilist in that I believe life has no real purpose or meaning. But according to others, I am not a nihilist because I think that it is up to us to give it our own meaning. It's a wiggly identifier.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:According to some definitions, I am a nihilist in that I believe life has no real purpose or meaning.
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What if I think that, even though life has no real purpose or meaning, it's really depressing to dwell on that and we should try not to focus on it? I mean, of course life has no meaning, but some people seem to be really, really obsessed with thinking and talking about that fact. Me to alt-right-ish friend, in discussion about the history of warfare: quote:So you agree that throughout history, a small group of mostly male oligarchs has decreed that poor men should fight and die in their wars, while poor women should keep the homes and raise the next generations of warriors? Because, yk, that's patriarchy. Friend: quote:I would need to put on thick, thick Marxism glasses to see this as some kind of parable of exploiters and exploited going down the chain of history forever. Heirarchy has always been with us, and will always be with us unless human nature radically changes. Sometimes he is so close to making sense ... and then the buzzwords come out and it's all "cultural Marxism! Moldbug! Cathedral!"
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pookel posted:What if I think that, even though life has no real purpose or meaning, it's really depressing to dwell on that and we should try not to focus on it? I mean, of course life has no meaning, but some people seem to be really, really obsessed with thinking and talking about that fact. Fact: Marxism is the first and only ideology to posit the possibility of imbalanced power dynamics between different groups.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:According to some definitions, I am a nihilist in that I believe life has no real purpose or meaning. Nihilism just means "person who lives without belief in thing X that I believe to be essential to having a livable life". It's an insult, but people who hear it think "Hey, I don't believe in thing X! I must be a nihilist" sometimes for understandable reasons.
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Jun 16, 2016 17:06
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I think that big titties are the only thing that give existence meaning
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Literally The Worst posted:I think that big titties are the only thing that give existence meaning The Senran Kagura way of life.
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^^Sorry friend, turns out it's cockCount Chocula posted:Are there any good non-rear end in a top hat/NRX adjacent sites for nihilism and antinatalism? I think the closest you're going to get is Buddhism. I know that's not very close, but it's the closest you get without being extremely vulnerable to being hijacked by assholes. FWIW it's not impossible to be a nihilist/antinatilist and be self-aware enough not to fall down the NRX rabbit hole. That may mean not following some thoughts to their logical conclusions though.
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pookel posted:What if I think that, even though life has no real purpose or meaning, it's really depressing to dwell on that and we should try not to focus on it? I mean, of course life has no meaning, but some people seem to be really, really obsessed with thinking and talking about that fact. Disappointed he didn't make it some kind of MRA thing, "well the men were sent to die but the women got to stay home so it's obvious who was more oppressed here!"
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The purpose of life is to hydrogenate carbon dioxide. You can fulfill your destiny by, I dunno, oxidizing some carbohydrates or something. Help out the bacteria, they're doing most of the work.
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The meaning of life is to consume as much Netflix as possible without triggering your sense of shame.
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Literally The Worst posted:I think that big titties are the only thing that give existence meaning 
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pookel posted:What if I think that, even though life has no real purpose or meaning, it's really depressing to dwell on that and we should try not to focus on it? I mean, of course life has no meaning, but some people seem to be really, really obsessed with thinking and talking about that fact. That reply isn't even internally consistent. Isn't cultural marxism supposed to be things right-wingers don't like that aren't strictly about economics? He was doing rudimentary marxist analysis of culture.
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pookel posted:Actually they just make life kind of awkward and uncomfortable, and also you have to spend a lot of money on bras. That sounds like meaning to me
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Jun 16, 2016 18:12
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pookel posted:Actually they just make life kind of awkward and uncomfortable, and also you have to spend a lot of money on bras. My younger brother's girlfriend got a breast reduction due to back pain issues, and her family suddenly had a lot more money to not spend on painkillers.
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Jack Gladney posted:That reply isn't even internally consistent. Isn't cultural marxism supposed to be things right-wingers don't like that aren't strictly about economics? He was doing rudimentary marxist analysis of culture.
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Jun 16, 2016 18:22
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I'm pretty sure cultural marxism is what Gramsci was about, not any of this other stuff tho.
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I'd consider myself a nihilist, but I don't see why nihilism would necessarily lead to becoming a neoreactionary.
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pookel posted:I am told that cultural marxism is the cultural version of the marxist progression of history. So, if classically Marx argued that the proletariat would overthrow the ruling class economically, then cultural marxists are people who want to overthrow the ruling class culturally, presumably by replacing the Western canon and traditional gender roles with rap music and genderqueer Tumblr activists. So it's basically a dressed up version of white nationalism with added scary communist fear-mongering? That end result sounds fine to me, guess it's time to join the bolshies. Also I still want at least one NRx'er to define it in their own words for me
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Polybius91 posted:I'd consider myself a nihilist, but I don't see why nihilism would necessarily lead to becoming a neoreactionary. It's less intrinsic to the ideas and more intrinsic to trying to shock people. It's the Gavin Mcinnes effect
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Polybius91 posted:I'd consider myself a nihilist, but I don't see why nihilism would necessarily lead to becoming a neoreactionary. Once you strip yourself of all the care for presumptions and structure of the world you can see the real issue you should be caring about : women saying bad things about videogames. e: I think there's a stealthy wordfilter to add a space between "about" and ":" about : Shame Boy has a new favorite as of 20:11 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Is anyone actually shocked by nihilism any more?
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Peel posted:Is anyone actually shocked by nihilism any more? I don't know about you, but nothing shocks me 
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GunnerJ posted:I'm pretty sure cultural marxism is what Gramsci was about, not any of this other stuff tho.
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pookel posted:Well, you see feminists say "smash the patriarchy!" and that means they want to overthrow the social order and replace it with one where women are superior, as evidenced by the fact that Camille Paglia once participated in a debate in Canada over whether men were obsolete. PWNED See also kill whitey, die cis scum, death to america
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:See also kill whitey, die cis scum, death to america
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Hermetic Hermetic Hermetic
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GunnerJ posted:I'm pretty sure cultural marxism is what Gramsci was about, not any of this other stuff tho. Gramsci is fun, since your average alt-right moron doesn't know who he is. So whenever they smugly claim to know everything about marxist cultural theiry, you can just ask them about Gramsci for some hilarious sputtering and hastily copypasted wikipedia entries.
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Holy poo poo it worked.
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But to do so, we have to do more than recognize Stalin’s memes; we have to reject them
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The Vosgian Beast posted:But to do so, we have to do more than recognize Stalin’s memes; we have to reject them
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Stalin got his idea from Gramsci, but Chomsky could only get them from Stalin. Hm.
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pookel posted:Oh, FFS, ESR, there's nothing wrong with saying "disinformation" when you mean "disinformation." You don't have to try to make it sound scarier by saying it in Russian. Didn't he get that from Reagan?
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ESR wrote posted:the most long-term dangerous of these memes — the idea that rights inhere not in sovereign individuals but identity groups, and that every identity group (except the “ruling class”) has the right to suppress criticism of itself through political means up to and including violence. I have ideals and philosophies; you have only memes and despair. We are individuals with a common cause; you are nothing but special interest identity politics. I am just one person humping a flag crying out for culture war; you are the ones responsible for chauvinistic America when it takes the form of a mushroom cloud.
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pookel posted:Idk about nihilism, but antinatalism means anti-procreation, right? Because these guys seem like the hippie-dippie version of that: http://www.vhemt.org/ Nah, I don't like those guys because they're about the environment. I'm an anti-natalist because of my fear of death, and because birth leads to death, and beings who are concious of death. And my nihilism took some very anti-environmentalist positions. I guess I'll need to start a site, but I really can't be bothered. It's just that 'life is inherently meaningless and nothing we do matters' shouldn't lead to 'and thus we need to hate gay people and women'. It should lead to 'and thus we should do everything we can to distract ourselves and not worry about long-term change'. You should still help other people who are trapped on this decaying ball of rock and flesh. I've shared that a few times. I guess all the nihilist meme pages on Facebook and Nihilisa Frank and Tumblr have done the work for me, so I don't need to make my site. Hermetic posted:The meaning of life is to consume as much Netflix as possible without triggering your sense of shame. Unironically this. Do whatever it takes to distract you. But maybe take a walk once in a while, appreciate the Sublime, meditate in cemeteries like a Romantic poet, appreciate some ice floes... then go back to gaming. Count Chocula has a new favorite as of 01:33 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Count Chocula posted:Nah, I don't like those guys because they're about the environment. I'm an anti-natalist because of my fear of death, and because birth leads to death, and beings who are concious of death. And my nihilism took some very anti-environmentalist positions. Jesus christ dude.
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