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i turned down an offer for ~$205k in total comp ($130k base salary, $30k signing bonus, $45k in rsus annually) from a mid tier sv startup because i felt they lowballed me and i am by no means an elite developer
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
Biting through a shirt is really common. Like a cotton T-shirt provides basically zero protection. I've always been comparatively less popular with mosquitos than most people which is nice.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:00
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asdf32 posted:Biting through a shirt is really common. Like a cotton T-shirt provides basically zero protection. Israeli mosquitoes don't do that.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:03
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Boot and Rally posted:Glassdoor claims Minneapolis averages 78k for "Software Engineer" Sorry HP while San Francisco averages 110k. National average is, apparently, 95k. So Minneapolis people are getting screwed, but maybe cost of living makes up for it? I'm not sure comparable the averages are. For the Bay Area, I suspect the distribution has a really long higher wage tail. 3k per month is $36,000 for a year. 110k - 36k = $74,000 $970 a month becomes $11,700 for the year. 78k - 11,700 = $66,300 So, better weather, and better pay, even accounting for the increased cost of living. Edit: keeping in mind this is straight out of college, entry level software dev pay. The comp numbers get much bigger.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:11
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the talent deficit posted:i turned down an offer for ~$205k in total comp ($130k base salary, $30k signing bonus, $45k in rsus annually) from a mid tier sv startup because i felt they lowballed me and i am by no means an elite developer What position were you seeking? Would you still be a single contributor at that pay?
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Jun 17, 2016 03:13
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I guarantee there's at least $8k more in cost of living besides just rent.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:13
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Analytic Engine posted:What position were you seeking? Would you still be a single contributor at that pay? yeah, it was an individual contributor role but it was the top of their scale
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Jun 17, 2016 03:21
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Israeli mosquitoes don't do that. Especially not if it's linen/wool mix.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:26
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I have no idea how this will play out, can they just make stuff up?quote:Theranos is finally going to share data on its blood tests -- here's what to expect http://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-theranos-will-present-at-aacc-conference-2016-6?r=US&IR=T
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Jun 17, 2016 03:28
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rscott posted:It's because Americans are stupid and refuse to talk about how much money they make, which literally only benefits employers There's also just a lot of bad info out there. Salaries are generally common knowledge (you can find them on e.g. the H1B data websites) but most people underestimate exactly how big of a role equity plays/how much it varies between employees. And I'm not talking startup RSUs/options, but public company (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc) stock. When I first came out here a few years ago I just assumed that senior-level and up devs were making maybe 25-50% more than me. I definitely did not realize that they were making 200-400% what I was making at the time. neonnoodle posted:Yeah but if your rent is $3000 a month, how much are you really able to put away? It seems really crappy to have a high income as a W2 employee -- you get taxed like crazy, your rent is nuts, cost of living is generally high. It makes more sense to me to express compensation as a ratio of salary to cost of living. About 100-150k a year after taxes and all living expenses. Rent is obscene, but free food at work + letting Uber/Lyft subsidize all my transportation costs + naturally being fairly frugal goes a long way. This is obviously an awful place to live if you want to buy a home but you can always move somewhere else and do that later. Ratio is the wrong measure, it's the difference that matters.
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Jun 17, 2016 03:36
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
yeah my stepdad in new york liked to claim the same thing until he followed my mom back down to resettle in new orleans in southern louisiana if you take your shirt off outside without bug spray on the mosquitoes swarming to your exposed flesh will make you look like a greek man the arbovirus is the real problem tho, with west nile and a few kindsa encephalitis and now zika being a possibility (malaria and yellow fever aren't really a thing there) now that we live in the bay area it's weird to think that there are dog owners who don't worm their pets, since it's a guaranteed death sentence for them otherwise back on the gulf coast
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Jun 17, 2016 04:05
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Absurd Alhazred posted:a mosquito bit me through my shirt A shirt, huh  I've been bitten through water resistant nylon while camping in Northern Minnesota. One guy was sure the DEET oil on his hands would be enough protection but ended up with bites on top of bites on his knuckles. The fuckers are fierce out in the woods.
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Jun 17, 2016 04:17
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Mosquitoes get lazier, lower-flying and less venomous the closer you get to the equator. As someone who's both been eaten alive by Alaskan blood-Albatrosses and had malaria and dengue, I don't know which I hate more. There's a reason the Greek name for their local species is Anopheles.
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rscott posted:It's because Americans are stupid and refuse to talk about how much money they make, which literally only benefits employers Try New Zealand, where not only do we not talk about how much we get paid, we don't put any indications about salary in job advertisements! Because this attracts top talent! Who we waste a lot of time interviewing before they turn down our offer because it's $30k under what they're currently being paid! Thus wasting everyone's time! Because HR's not a cargo cult at all!
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Jun 17, 2016 04:55
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Yeah, Michigan mosquitos are way worse than Georgia mosquitos. I speak from first-hand experience. I'm currently happy at my smaller midwest startup, but I talked to a few NYC/Bay Area companies before I took this gig. If I don't buy a house in the next year or so (and finally finish this machine learning dissertation), I'll consider SV.
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Jun 17, 2016 04:58
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:Try New Zealand, where not only do we not talk about how much we get paid, we don't put any indications about salary in job advertisements! Because this attracts top talent! Who we waste a lot of time interviewing before they turn down our offer because it's $30k under what they're currently being paid! Thus wasting everyone's time! Because HR's not a cargo cult at all! America does this too. So many job ads have salary listed as "Depends on experience" or "Competitive."
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Jun 17, 2016 04:59
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I once found out I was making like 3% less than one of my direct reports, and requested a raise based on that. I got the raise, but got chewed out for "discussing salaries at work" and we all got a boring rear end HR lecture about how unprofessional it is to discuss the details of your compensation package.
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Jun 17, 2016 05:34
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I once found out I was making like 3% less than one of my direct reports, and requested a raise based on that. glassdoor truly is an amazing site and everyone should use it
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Jun 17, 2016 05:42
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:glassdoor truly is an amazing site and everyone should use it Glassdoor is the reason I wouldn't even bother talking to some companies. $30K for a software developer my rear end.
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Jun 17, 2016 05:48
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Glassdoor is awesome for negotiating, since I've also noticed that good companies will offer you 5k over a competitive salary from the get-go, since they have access to that data as well.
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Jun 17, 2016 05:51
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Bastard Tetris posted:Glassdoor is awesome for negotiating, since I've also noticed that good companies will offer you 5k over a competitive salary from the get-go, since they have access to that data as well. I kind of think some companies are hoping you won't look because I've seen some really, reeeeaaaaaally low ball postings out there. Granted that's the weird thing about the internet; it's easier to find out if you're being screwed but it also gives business new and creative ways to screw you.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:00
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The H1B sites are better and more accurate than Glassdoor, as long as you're applying to companies that don't lowball their H1B workers and treat them like indentured servants.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:03
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sbaldrick posted:LinkedIn has 100 million paying users somehow, which MS is going to spend the next 10 years data mining. Exactly. Dell does the vast majority of their business to enterprise. ToxicSlurpee posted:Counterpoint: none of our mosquitoes have malaria. They're bastards but they won't give you horrifying diseases. Counter-counterpoint: Drink enough gin and tonic and you don't have to worry about it. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I once found out I was making like 3% less than one of my direct reports, and requested a raise based on that. Yup, no unions needed in tech or anything.
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blah_blah posted:The H1B sites are better and more accurate than Glassdoor, as long as you're applying to companies that don't lowball their H1B workers and treat them like indentured servants.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:45
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DACK FAYDEN posted:As an outsider, do those exist? As someone on a H1B visa, yes.
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Jun 17, 2016 06:53
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Thanks for the tip on h1b salary databases.
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blah_blah posted:The H1B sites are better and more accurate than Glassdoor, as long as you're applying to companies that don't lowball their H1B workers and treat them like indentured servants. Are those numbers only base salary? They seem low for big companies.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I have no idea how this will play out, can they just make stuff up? Based on that abstract, she is going to give a "this is who we are" talk with some cherry picked data that highlights the best Theranos can do. There probably isn't going to be out right fabrications, but she'll carefully chose to show the parts that work while all the while speaking of the project as a whole. Such as, "we are working to detect 180 things in your blood, here are our results for Hep C (i.e. the one test that does appear to work), oh, and we are doing this thing with Zika, too." There isn't going to be anything interesting in her talk, it is a session to educate the medical community on her company and she wants to demonstrate that all of the bad words written about Theranos are much ado about nothing.
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Analytic Engine posted:Are those numbers only base salary? They seem low for big companies. companies don't hire h1bs because they are good
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Jun 17, 2016 16:06
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We tend to start people about 5k over the glassdoor average for the area as well. Seems to keep quality high, and my office is pretty good about sharing salary info with each other. Some of it is that a lot of the folks are Michigan natives and therefor from auto union families.
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Jun 17, 2016 16:27
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Liquid Communism posted:Exactly. Dell does the vast majority of their business to enterprise. I wouldn't buy a low or midrange dell but the top end portable workstations are probably the best on the market.
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the talent deficit posted:companies don't hire h1bs because they are good a foolish pianist posted:We tend to start people about 5k over the glassdoor average for the area as well. Glassdoor and those H1B sites seem pretty similar. Is Glassdoor also stating base salaries? For example, many companies in NYC are paying ~$120K for specialist front-devs according to both. Would that be the same base in SF? Or is 120 the total comp in NYC and then SF blows it out of the water
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Analytic Engine posted:Glassdoor and those H1B sites seem pretty similar. Is Glassdoor also stating base salaries? For example, many companies in NYC are paying ~$120K for specialist front-devs according to both. Would that be the same base in SF? Or is 120 the total comp in NYC and then SF blows it out of the water glassdoor is all user submitted. it tends to skew low in my experience, at least for the west coast $120k for entry level webdev seems about right for nyc. sv is similar, but the big companies will offer more
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Analytic Engine posted:Glassdoor and those H1B sites seem pretty similar. Is Glassdoor also stating base salaries? For example, many companies in NYC are paying ~$120K for specialist front-devs according to both. Would that be the same base in SF? Or is 120 the total comp in NYC and then SF blows it out of the water Glassdoor doesn't necessarily refresh data over time, so some of the info is 5+ years old.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:02
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https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160616/prospect-heights/artisanal-mayo-store-getting-priced-out-of-prospect-heights-owner-says
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Jun 17, 2016 18:26
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we've finally hit peak mayo
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Jun 17, 2016 18:56
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I don't know what confuses me more; the fact that small batch, artisinal mayonnaise exists or the fact that people actually loving buy it for $8 a pop.
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Jun 17, 2016 19:03
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Can't you... just make it yourself with some eggs and a whisk? Do people think mayonnaise is some kind of complicated industrial byproduct?
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One might think so but one would be forgetting that they put Sriracha in it as well.
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