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simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Nah it's not about competition, China would probably like to see Trump at the helm because he is very anti-World Police and would be much less of a thorn in the side of their 9 dash line

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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China is terrified of the USA being a serious competitor and I suspect that the idea of a serious American containment strategy (actual, Soviet-style containment, not "abloobloobloo our rise is being contained because they don't recognize the 9 dash line") is something that keeps CCP officials awake at night.

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Apr 22, 2016

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
Another explosion, fortunately much smaller than that last clusterfuck.

Chemical storage explosion, still. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/asia/china-chemical-warehouse-explosion/index.html

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

simplefish posted:

Nah it's not about competition, China would probably like to see Trump at the helm because he is very anti-World Police and would be much less of a thorn in the side of their 9 dash line

Trump would initiate a trade war with the rest of the world day one and said he would publicly humiliate Xi Jinping if he ever came to the United States during his tenure. I doubt anyone in Zhongnanhai is pulling for him for anything other than propaganda. He's pretty much every evil, racist Western businessman from a Chinese movie.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

Trump would initiate a trade war with the rest of the world day one and said he would publicly humiliate Xi Jinping if he ever came to the United States during his tenure. I doubt anyone in Zhongnanhai is pulling for him for anything other than propaganda. He's pretty much every evil, racist Western businessman from a Chinese movie.

Trump probably would just increase the import tariff which could hurt China in area that she actually has competitions (clothing/garment etc). OTOH, Trump would much more likely to sell Taiwan to China for a good price. Hillary is basically W Bush to China.

Too bad it's not likely to see Trump running the world/letting the world burn.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

whatever7 posted:

Trump probably would just increase the import tariff which could hurt China in area that she actually has competitions (clothing/garment etc). OTOH, Trump would much more likely to sell Taiwan to China for a good price. Hillary is basically W Bush to China.

Too bad it's not likely to see Trump running the world/letting the world burn.

It's not even like the president can impose tariffs, and I don't see a red or blue congress implementing an increase of the kind he says he wants.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

It's not even like the president can impose tariffs, and I don't see a red or blue congress implementing an increase of the kind he says he wants.

What the president can do is direct customs to change its priorities in some onerous but deniable way.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Mar 23, 2021

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here
Disruptor in chief

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER
This is certainly something.

A Poet's Guide to Beijing

quote:

I BEGIN TO write sonnets in my air-filtered bunker, which despite the dreadful condition of the stairwell (the competing phone numbers of plumbers plaster the walls), is a spacious and modern apartment.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

simplefish posted:

Nah it's not about competition, China would probably like to see Trump at the helm because he is very anti-World Police and would be much less of a thorn in the side of their 9 dash line

Trump has quite literally called for the U.S. to send troops into Syria and Iraq to secure oil fields for U.S. corporations. (yes, it's Washington Times, I know) I don't think any world leader is dumb enough to believe he wouldn't be an interventionist.

plushpuffin
Jan 10, 2003

Fratercula arctica

Nap Ghost
This was on hacker news today: an account of a Chinese billionaire's attempt to create a blockbuster movie.

It's everything you would expect from that short summary.

Sunk: how an underwater fantasy blockbuster turned into a legendary fiasco

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.

plushpuffin posted:

This was on hacker news today: an account of a Chinese billionaire's attempt to create a blockbuster movie.

It's everything you would expect from that short summary.

Sunk: how an underwater fantasy blockbuster turned into a legendary fiasco

I haven't read it yet but this amazing quote from the Hacker News thread definitely makes me want to: "This film sounds like what would happen if you purchased the components of a blockbuster from Aliexpress and then had them pieced together by China's Tommy Wiseau."

plushpuffin
Jan 10, 2003

Fratercula arctica

Nap Ghost

Mr.Radar posted:

I haven't read it yet but this amazing quote from the Hacker News thread definitely makes me want to: "This film sounds like what would happen if you purchased the components of a blockbuster from Aliexpress and then had them pieced together by China's Tommy Wiseau."

For fun, you might want to make yourself a bingo card (false promises regarding accommodations, withholding pay, blatant copyright infringement, etc) before you tackle the article.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Tsai Ing-wen 'extremist because single' article riles social media
An article on Chinese state media that said Taiwan's new leader Tsai Ing-wen has an "extremist style" because she is unmarried has prompted outrage online.
The opinion piece, published by the Xinhua news agency, said Ms Tsai did not have the "emotional burden" of a family, leading to an "erratic style".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36375963

Holy poo poo. At least she does seem to have popular support on her side.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Some 50 cent-er probably still thinks he's helped the propaganda department by writing that up.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Oh yeah, of course.

In other not-China news, this guy was found guilty of assault and resisting the police:



What he should've been found guilty of is that loving facial hair atrocity.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36387664

TheBuilder
Jul 11, 2001
Give him a break - its the best he could do.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

mobby_6kl posted:

Oh yeah, of course.

In other not-China news, this guy was found guilty of assault and resisting the police:



What he should've been found guilty of is that loving facial hair atrocity.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36387664

This is why Han Chinese can never be jihadist .

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005
Well It's fair if the cops get raked over the coals for assault charges because the evidence is substantial, but I have a feeling that won't happen.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


If he gets done and the cops get done a lot of people will say fair enough

If he gets done and the cops don't then many will say it's a loving travesty of justice

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Okay I have seen some racist advertisements before but this one takes the cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq-I0JRhvt4
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36394917

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
The black guy being some kind of construction worker is the stupid cherry on the racist cake.

This reminds me of this documentary I watched on Al Jazeera some time ago about a woman hiring foreigners for real estate companies, in order to impress buyers. There's a bit where she talks about the respective costs of white, black and Indian people. That's a racial hierarchy, alright.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
It also works with the government's new campaign against Chinese women dating foreign men.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Bloodnose posted:

It also works with the government's new campaign against Chinese women dating foreign men.

Alright, this I need to know more about, it sounds hilarious. What kind of tack are they even taking on this thing?

nuru
Oct 10, 2012

The Lord of Hats posted:

Alright, this I need to know more about, it sounds hilarious. What kind of tack are they even taking on this thing?

This, probably: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/world/asia/china-foreign-spy-warning.html?_r=0

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Oh, this is spectacular:

quote:

After glancing it over, Mr. Zhang said, “The cartoon is quite realistic, because you do see foreign men hitting on Chinese women, more often than foreign women hitting on Chinese men.”

China isn't my area of expertise, but it's fascinating to see how economic trends and social factors are leading to a different narrative out of Xi's government. This seems like an interesting time for me to start actually following the country.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Those pictures look like they came straight out of an English 101 book.

"Hi! I'm Romeo! I am here to make gently caress with you! Please tell me your nuclear launch codes!"

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

WarpedNaba posted:

Those pictures look like they came straight out of an English 101 book.

"Hi! I'm Romeo! I am here to make gently caress with you! Please tell me your nuclear launch codes!"

There was a pretty funny "American Dad" episode along those lines actually.:)

In the meantime, Ash Carter talks tough to reassure U.S. allies in the South China Sea/Indian Ocean:

quote:

Any action by China to reclaim land in the Scarborough Shoal, an outcrop in the disputed sea, would have consequences, Carter said.

“I hope that this development doesn’t occur, because it will result in actions being taken by the both United States and ... by others in the region which would have the effect of not only increasing tensions but isolating China,” Carter told the Shangri-La Dialogue, a regional security forum in Singapore.

“The United States will remain the most powerful military and main underwriter of security in the region for decades to come – and there should be no doubt about that.”

I occasionally listen to Reuters' "War College" podcast, which I highly recommend. They had an interesting episode not too long ago about the legal aspects of China's land reclamation/artificial island construction efforts, including the seemingly-arbitrary (but significant) definition of what an "island" is. Definitely worth a listen.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
In further SAR news, the bookseller says his confession was forced:

quote:

Hong Kong bookseller: China TV confession was 'forced'
One of five Hong Kong booksellers who disappeared last year says he was forced by Chinese agents into a confession of "illegal trading".

Lam Wing Kee was seized in the Chinese city of Shenzhen last October.

He and the four other men worked at a publishing house that sold books critical of China's leaders.

Mr Lam said a confession broadcast on Chinese television in February, featuring four of the men, had been scripted.

"It was a show, and I accepted it," he told a news conference on Thursday, according to the South China Morning Post.

"They gave me the script. I had to follow the script. If I did not follow it strictly, they would ask for a retake."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36549266

On one hand, duh. On the other hand, this is exactly what you'd expect a subversive criminal to say, isn't it :tinfoil:

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
If he loves books so much how come he sells them all? This story doesn't add up.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Mar 23, 2021

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
does the Chinese civil code even obstinetly recognize the difference between a real confession and a forced one or is more "well the fruit of this poison tree tastes fine to me"

Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

That's not exactly unique to China. Even Japan is infamous for the police essentially forcing confessions out of people. Japanese prosecutors have something close to a 99.9% conviction rate.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

Tuxedo Gin posted:

That's not exactly unique to China. Even Japan is infamous for the police essentially forcing confessions out of people. Japanese prosecutors have something close to a 99.9% conviction rate.

the conviction rate in the us is also pretty high and its not an immediate sign of abuse; it can also signify more cautious prosecutors that only seek indictment on slam dunk stuff or a lot of deal making such as plea bargains (which are still pretty scummy on the whole imo but not police state stuff)

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


An attempt at a b-b-but America is always welcome however the abusiveness of Japanese police in obtaining confessions/false confessions is well-documented. Googling "japanese police abuse confessions" gives a nice long list of articles.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

Grand Fromage posted:

An attempt at a b-b-but America is always welcome however the abusiveness of Japanese police in obtaining confessions/false confessions is well-documented. Googling "japanese police abuse confessions" gives a nice long list of articles.

wasn't really my intent to be whatabboutist, just more the "i don't know much about subject matter x so im going to chip in some blurb halfway opposed to conventional wisdom to sound thoughtful".

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Tiler Kiwi posted:

wasn't really my intent to be whatabboutist, just more the "i don't know much about subject matter x so im going to chip in some blurb halfway opposed to conventional wisdom to sound thoughtful".

Oh okay, sorry. I have a twitchy response to that poo poo because it's so common.

Japan's justice system is completely insane, it's worth reading about.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Tiler Kiwi posted:

the conviction rate in the us is also pretty high and its not an immediate sign of abuse; it can also signify more cautious prosecutors that only seek indictment on slam dunk stuff or a lot of deal making such as plea bargains (which are still pretty scummy on the whole imo but not police state stuff)

I'd argue they are police state stuff...just skinflint police state stuff.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Grand Fromage posted:

An attempt at a b-b-but America is always welcome however the abusiveness of Japanese police in obtaining confessions/false confessions is well-documented. Googling "japanese police abuse confessions" gives a nice long list of articles.

Apparently they get extremely confused when people don't confess :v:

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