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Talmonis posted:This is where I'm at. Nobody needs an AR-15 right away (granted, I'd argue that nobody needs an AR-15 at all). This goes double for handguns. There is a decent argument that people who have gotten death threats might need a handgun quickly. That argument has a lot less weight with an AR-15. The primary civilian use of an AR 15 is probably target shooting and you can wait a bit for that.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Castro isn't flipping Texas. Also getting labor to vote in larger numbers is crucial to downballot races. The single poll I saw was trump +2. White vote is depressed by trump or split with the libertarians, Hispanic folks have someone to vote for, I'd say Texas has a decent shot of going blue. Also A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Make Biden VP for life.
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Munkeymon posted:Require all guns be stored at the local police precinct and can only be checked out by their owners with 72 hours' notice, in limited numbers. You can own whatever tacticool bullshit you want, tough. This is dumb because it takes control of the guns out of the owner's hands - it essentially takes their guns which is what they fear. Also it's probably out and out unconstitutional since it's not a restriction on a type of weapon but an outright infringement on the right to 'keep and bear arms' At some point, the left has to accept the fact that there is a very strong counter argument to any gun legislation (2nd amendment) that while open to interpretation, means that your interpretation isn't logically any more sound than someone elses and will be subject to change based on the current sitting court. With that in mind, we should be looking at what is effective in actually stopping or slowing the progress of gun crimes. If wait-listing is the answer, then we should be pursuing arguments for that and preparing counterarguments against the inevitable backlash. It's a much 'safer' approach since it cannot reasonably be argued that anyone is attempting to take guns since it doesn't actually touch on the ownership of guns themselves. It's the slowing of gun crimes idea in which I'm most interested. Given enough time, someone planning a mass casualty event will more likely than not be disrupted. Boon fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is a decent argument that people who have gotten death threats might need a handgun quickly. That argument has a lot less weight with an AR-15. The primary civilian use of an AR 15 is probably target shooting and you can wait a bit for that. Part of the problem I have with the entire debate around gun control is that we seem to take it as granted that people need to protect themselves from violence, rather than talk about if that's the kind of country we want to live in. Like, yeah I understand how practically a woman being stalked would need to defend herself but my feeling is that if it gets to that point it's a complete failure of society.
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Dead Reckoning posted:
No, I said nothing in my post about being favor of the lovely gun control laws we've tried. I'm simply lamenting the state that we exist in, where some sort of law that could actually be meaningful isn't even up for discussion because of the pro-gun lobby.
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Wait, so you understand that nothing on the table would actually have been effective at preventing the Orlando shooting, but you're in favor of passing ineffective legislation anyway, because..?
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zoux posted:Part of the problem I have with the entire debate around gun control is that we seem to take it as granted that people need to protect themselves from violence, rather than talk about if that's the kind of country we want to live in. The complete failure of American society is a current given, though. Look at Detroit.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743852552257626112 'Only' losing by 2's about as good as it can look for him right now, I guess.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The complete failure of American society is a current given, though. Look at Detroit. I'm not arguing that but when I hear people talking about arming teachers as a good solution it's like, that's the kind of world you want to live in?
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zoux posted:Part of the problem I have with the entire debate around gun control is that we seem to take it as granted that people need to protect themselves from violence, rather than talk about if that's the kind of country we want to live in. It is. Seriously. If it weren't the kind of country we wanted to live in, we would be a different country. You have to start to get your mind around the fact that America is not a retarded version of Europe. America is the best version of America.
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Night10194 posted:'Only' losing by 2's about as good as it can look for him right now, I guess. Compared to every other poll that's come out in the past week, that's a fantastic result for him. Even Rasmussen has Clinton up by 5.
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Maoist Pussy posted:It is. Seriously. If it weren't the kind of country we wanted to live in, we would be a different country. Man you have some low standards, we don't even have flying cities yet.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:51
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Electric Bugaloo posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743852552257626112
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Maoist Pussy posted:It is. Seriously. If it weren't the kind of country we wanted to live in, we would be a different country. Unless maybe power special interests can shape America in ways Americans don't want...nah that can't have happened. Must be Americans really are lying to pollsters about Universal Background Checks.
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Joementum posted:Trey Gowdy is chairman of the House Committee on Benghazi This is the only picture of Trey Gowdy ever taken in which he would look better with his normal hair
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zoux posted:I'm not arguing that but when I hear people talking about arming teachers as a good solution it's like, that's the kind of world you want to live in? How about armed guards for schools and colleges?
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Boon posted:This is dumb because it takes control of the guns out of the owner's hands - it essentially takes their guns which is what they fear. Also it's probably out and out unconstitutional since it's not a restriction on a type of weapon but an outright infringement on the right to 'keep and bear arms' Munkeymon posted:I personally take gun rights as seriously as the GOP takes voting rights. Oh, is it inconvenient for gun owners to exercise their right?! Gosh, that's just such a shame.
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amuayse posted:How about armed guards for schools and colleges? There were armed guards at Pulse, why propose solutions that clearly do not work
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amuayse posted:How about armed guards for schools and colleges? You mean like the armed police officer at Columbine?
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amuayse posted:How about armed guards for schools and colleges? I mean, that's the American dream isn't it? Britain is probably going to take major legislative action in the wake of this Jo Cox poo poo and it's going to be even more disheartening for us over here.
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You know what doesn't infringe on the right to own a gun? A gun registry! And increased background checks!
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Joementum posted:Trey Gowdy is chairman of the House Committee on Benghazi 
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Ron Jeremy posted:
Even without comparing it to Britain First, the slogan "America First" has some fairly ugly historical undertones. quote:It is extremely unfortunate that in his speech Wednesday outlining his foreign policy goals, Donald Trump chose to brand his foreign policy with the noxious slogan "America First," the name of the isolationist, defeatist, anti-Semitic national organization that urged the United States to appease Adolf Hitler.
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Epic High Five posted:There were armed guards at Pulse, why propose solutions that clearly do not work
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Trabisnikof posted:Unless maybe power special interests can shape America in ways Americans don't want...nah that can't have happened. Must be Americans really are lying to pollsters about Universal Background Checks. Well, look at how it actually plays out. As an example, I support something like universal background checks. But I also belong to the NRA, which opposes them. Evidence indicates a lot of people are like me. This is what America wants.
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Trump 2016: America is a tune. It must be sung together.
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amuayse posted:They were the reason the shooter was forced to hide in the restroom. If they didn't respond, it's quite likely much more people would have died. Oh wait you weren't kidding about the armed guards at schools thing lol
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amuayse posted:They were the reason the shooter was forced to hide in the restroom. If they didn't respond, it's quite likely much more people would have died. Got a source on that?
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amuayse posted:They were the reason the shooter was forced to hide in the restroom. If they didn't respond, it's quite likely much more people would have died. We actually don't know how many the shooter killed yet, compared to how many were killed by the armed guards in the confusion tho
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"Kids marching to school under the specter of armed and armored stormtroopers is fine as long as I can still get a 17 round mag for my glock that I've only ever used to shoot at paper and take selfies with because that's mah gawldurn right"
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Munkeymon posted:Oh, is it inconvenient for gun owners to exercise their right?! Gosh, that's just such a shame. Look dude, we don't necessarily disagree on the concept of guns but, and you're not going to like this part, not everyone agrees with you or I. Ergo, there is a discussion that needs to take place. Starting from the stance of "gently caress your guns" isn't a strong negotiation start nor is it a "well we'll start at one end and negotiate to somewhere in the middle" because it's not a starting spot. It's a literal non-starter and is the reason that Dems get absolutely hosed up by this issue on the national stage. If the goal is progress and change on the issue of guns, you have to be willing to accept that you're not going to get what you ultimately want right now. Your stance might be  and emotionally satisfying, but it doesn't change anything because believe it or not, the pro-gun side has the better argument in that they have the founding legal document of this country on their side.
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Trabisnikof posted:You mean like the armed police officer at Columbine? The answer is clearly to install warp drives on our armed officers so that they can instantly teleport to any evildoer and shoot him in the head the moment he appears.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743852552257626112
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Maoist Pussy posted:It is. Seriously. If it weren't the kind of country we wanted to live in, we would be a different country. it's funny how they are more disturbed that they aren't allowed to be armed at all times to respond with lethal force to any perceived threat instead of being alarmed at living in a society where being armed is perceived as a necessity to remain safe imagine if a fraction of the effort, time, and resources spent on gun rights and advocacy was expended on actually reducing crime, recidivism, violence, and other problems
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zoux posted:"Kids marching to school under the specter of armed and armored stormtroopers is fine as long as I can still get a 17 round mag for my glock that I've only ever used to shoot at paper and take selfies with because that's mah gawldurn right" A lot of toxic masculinity is not understanding that "may" and "can" are not synonymous with "must". Panzeh posted:Lotta reactionaries tryin to disarm the proletariat in this thread. Good thing I'm not a socialist, or that might sting. 
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Panzeh posted:Lotta reactionaries tryin to disarm the proletariat in this thread. Settle down Vladimir
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