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Yeah, I'm definitely more in favour of banning gun ownership than inventing some right to bear arms like the US 2nd amendment, but that's a false dichotomy. Imagine if you asked that about cars: I wouldn't want people to have a "right" to drive a car either -- it's a privilege, subject to licensing and suitable restrictions -- but I wouldn't want private car ownership banned either. Pixelante posted:Problem is, that's the wrong question, and a bad question at that. Outlawing gun ownership entirely a) isn't plausible, and b) isn't even the point of current debate. Gun lobbyists would like to make the issue seem like, "all guns or no guns," but it's really, "all guns anywhere, or restrictions to guns," which is a lot messier. Except there have, in fact, been multiple posters in this thread arguing the "no guns" position. I agree it's implausible, and probably never likely to be entertained by anyone that could do gently caress all about it, but there are some people who would clearly like to ban all private gun ownership.
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Cultural norms change overtime. Urbanization in Canada has most of us going away from gun ownership. Anecdotally it seems the opposite in the US, but maybe that is just my dumb Yankee friends. Also lol, clearly an object with no cultural significance what-so-ever. 
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cowofwar posted:Only 5% of Canadians own guns. Banning them would just make a bunch of rural people cry even more about city people. If this is true why bother with the Sturm und drang of banning them?
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Jun 17, 2016 02:56
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namaste faggots posted:to insult white trash? At least you're completely honest about your motives, unlike THC, who is a disingenuous little wankstain. On a more serious note, I think we should make all licensed gun-owners qualify for marksmanship on a regular basis with all the weapons they own. Otherwise, suspension of the license followed by confiscation of the guns.
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I'd rather see regular renewals of the safety course. I don't give a crap about how well someone can shoot, they can go 0-25 trying to hit clays or never make it in the 5 ring of a 200 yard target as long as they can be extremely poo poo at shooting in a safe manner.
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EvilJoven posted:I'd rather see regular renewals of the safety course. I don't give a crap about how well someone can shoot, they can go 0-25 trying to hit clays or never make it in the 5 ring of a 200 yard target as long as they can be extremely poo poo at shooting in a safe manner. Why not do both? You can train at a range until you're sufficiently not poo poo to actually hit what you're aiming at, just like anyone who doesn't hold a PAL. Perhaps you should be allowed to be at a range without direct supervision if you're just practicing, but you shouldn't have the right to have and use guns outside a controlled setting until you're sufficiently accurate. I don't want some retard with bad aim trying to hunt with a gun. From what I hear from my buddy in the RCMP, you don't have to be a marksmanship expert to qualify even as a police officer, so I don't think it's an unreasonable standard. I'm not saying everyone needs to be a trained sniper by any means.
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PT6A posted:
A lot of people in geriatrics are very divided on this. At one point they all agree Alzheimer's is a horrible as poo poo thing to happen but at the same time if someone is already in the early stages before they have said anything about the right to die they can be easily pressured into things. It's a super tough call that will take years to work out unless people start saying at like 30, I want to kill myself if I have Alzheimer's.
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PT6A posted:Why not do both? You can train at a range until you're sufficiently not poo poo to actually hit what you're aiming at, just like anyone who doesn't hold a PAL. Perhaps you should be allowed to be at a range without direct supervision if you're just practicing, but you shouldn't have the right to have and use guns outside a controlled setting until you're sufficiently accurate. I don't want some retard with bad aim trying to hunt with a gun. Hate to break it to ya but most police and military are poo poo with their guns too. Being inaccurate isn't a huge deal though as long as you're safe, and there's a big difference between missing a deer by a couple inches and launching a round over the crest of a hill into who knows where/what. Safety and rules/regulations are much, much more important. Can't imagine people would be too happy with surprise home inspections to make sure fuckwad hasn't stashed a loaded 870 behind his bedframe though.
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sbaldrick posted:A lot of people in geriatrics are very divided on this. At one point they all agree Alzheimer's is a horrible as poo poo thing to happen but at the same time if someone is already in the early stages before they have said anything about the right to die they can be easily pressured into things. Agreed. That's why the law must include an allowance for people to make their wishes in such a circumstance clear via a personal directive, as we already do for other matters. I just turned 27 and I already have a personal directive, will and enduring power of attorney. As soon as the law allows, it will be updated to allow for assisted suicide should I be suffering from Alzheimer's and express a wish for it. It may not help those who already suffer from dementia, but it will help anyone in the future. I saw my grandmother go through a decade-long descent into Alzheimer's and it's not a thing I would wish on Hitler himself, and far more than anything else, it's one of my biggest fears that I might eventually go through the same thing. I watched her have to be reminded on a regular basis that her daughter and husband had died; unable to recognize me or my Dad on some particularly bad days. I'd welcome death over that, personally.
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acumen posted:Hate to break it to ya but most police and military are poo poo with their guns too. Being inaccurate isn't a huge deal though as long as you're safe, and there's a big difference between missing a deer by a couple inches and launching a round over the crest of a hill into who knows where/what. Safety and rules/regulations are much, much more important. Yes, making sure people are behaving safely is more important than making sure they're accurate, but there's no reason not to do both. It's not a undue burden. As you point out, many police officers and soldiers are poo poo with their weapons, but they still have to meet a minimum standard periodically, so I don't think there's any reason not to treat civilian gun owners similarly. quote:Can't imagine people would be too happy with surprise home inspections to make sure fuckwad hasn't stashed a loaded 870 behind his bedframe though. Also very true. At some point it may become a violation of privacy. Personally, I think the right solution is to make sure that, if you're found storing your firearms unsafely for any reason, the penalty is harsh.
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PT6A posted:the penalty is harsh. Punishment almost universally succeeds only in satisfying the desire to punish. A much better solution would be court ordered retraining and perhaps a requirement to buy and use whatever part of the safety regime was missing. You want to reinforce that the defendant is within society and within the system, not against society and against the system.
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ductonius posted:Punishment almost universally succeeds only in satisfying the desire to punish. True enough. The punishment could just be "you hosed up, so now we get to search your house at random for the next year to make sure you're following all the rules" though. That would be both functional and punitive.
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On the subject of punishment: Mark Fenton, the officer the TPS decided to throw under the bus for the kettling and other aggressive police tactics during the G20 protests, was found guilty, he was sentenced on Wednesday. Hundreds of citizens were illegally detained and arrested, with almost no charges resulting. His sentence, lose 30 days vacation. Some additional background on the sentencing
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Actually I believe the sentence said that if he worked thirty days without salary he could keep his vacation time.
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Helsing posted:Actually I believe the sentence said that if he worked thirty days without salary he could keep his vacation time. Harsh but fair.
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Well if we just straight up took his vacation time he might not get to go to Florida with his kids or bank em for early retirement or who knows what. That would have been a bit too harsh.
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Helsing posted:Well if we just straight up took his vacation time he might not get to go to Florida with his kids or bank em for early retirement or who knows what. That would have been a bit too harsh. I guess we can only hope for gator related justice.
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sliderule posted:There's no reason we can't restrict the "cultural activity" of sport shooting and the weapons used therein to dedicated facilities. There's no reason for a sport shooter to need to a) own the firearm personally or b) possess a firearm outside of the context of the sport. Restricted firearms are already restricted to firing ranges. It's illegal to shoot them anywhere else in Canada. This includes several kinds of long guns, and nearly all handguns. I would imagine most sport shooters want to own their guns for the same reason other athletes and hobbyists want to own their own equipment. Now, yes, you can't kill as many people as quickly with a bow and arrow, to use another weapon shooting example, as you could with a semi-auto rifle or handgun, so I guess it's a matter of drawing the line at the deadliness of the particular object, but people like to own stuff. And I am making another assumption, I'll admit, but I would wager that a lot of sport shooters do own their guns within the context of the sport, and only use them for that purpose. infernal machines posted:On the subject of punishment: I hope he turns blue HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Just OLP stuff, the geniuses behind the OPP anti-hudak ads. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-party-politics Loving that it's the RCMP investigating them.quote:The RCMP have charged 3 former senior employees of the Ontario Provincial Police Association, a Toronto lawyer and a U.S. citizen with fraud over $5,000 and money laundering.
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did you expect an organization who rapes and sexually assaults it's own members to actually punish it's own? lol
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You mean the cf? Are they on trial for anything right now?
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namaste faggots posted:You mean the cf? https://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/court-documents-reveal-horrific-allegations-in-toronto-police-gang-rape-case
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Ikantski posted:https://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/court-documents-reveal-horrific-allegations-in-toronto-police-gang-rape-case I was just about to post this: https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/06/14/police-document-details-gang-sex-assault-allegations-against-cops.html
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Yeah, I don't know why he thought CF, they've got the sex assault problem solved with this new initiative.quote:The Canadian Forces has distributed 120,000 wallet-size cards to military personnel to remind them that sexual assault is an “inappropriate” behaviour. 
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Except what that program is trying to do is make it known that the problem with sexual assault is the attitude of most of its members thinking its alright in a professional work place (in the federal government no less) to make sexual jokes and behave inappropriately. This "boys will be boys" attitude is bullshit, and plenty of idiots in the CF think its because "drat SJWs!!" that these policies have been enacted and not the myriad of sexual assault and harassment cases that have been happening because of this environment. P-Value Hack fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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P-Value Hack posted:I know people like you Ikantski are autistic sperg programmers who work in their underwear from home, so have never had to interact in a professional setting in their life think it's all a joke, but whatever. This seems like an odd take on Ikantski's sarcasm there. I think the idea is it's understood that sort of behaviour is unacceptable in a professional setting, and if you have to hand out cards with the don'ts and don'ts of sexual harassment, it's likely that the issue is your members don't believe they're in a professional setting and a card is unlikely to address that problem.
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Yeah, a wallet card telling you that sexual assault is an "inappropriate behaviour" is sure to change things.
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infernal machines posted:This seems like an odd take on Ikantski's sarcasm there. Yeah I took it out, I misinterpreted his sarcasm. I thought he was being sarcastic about the need to try and change that behaviour (thought he was one of the idiots who don't think it's a problem). I see now he's making fun of the half-assed card thing.
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Just to play Devil's Advocate: The card itself does nothing, but it's the first step in changing behaviour: setting expectations. No member of the force can now claim that there's any ambiguity about these rules: they've all got the loving card.
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As long as there is some one year old chainsmoking MWO who's tattoos end where rolled-up sleeves start and wears a para beret sneers at sexual assault claims as "if you can't roll with the hits get out of the ring, honey" a wallet card ain't gonna do poo poo.
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Look our good old Canadian boys suffer a lot with torturing people to death to liberate them. They PTSD. We need to cut our brace warriors some slack and if they want to bust a nut we should support them OK
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Our female cf should just toughen up and do their duty war is hell
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MA-Horus posted:As long as there is some one year old chainsmoking MWO who's tattoos end where rolled-up sleeves start and wears a para beret sneers at sexual assault claims as "if you can't roll with the hits get out of the ring, honey" a wallet card ain't gonna do poo poo. Right, the only thing it does is eliminate the ignorance excuse. If (ha!) the CF were to crack down on sexist jokes (say), it would not be a credible defense to say that they did not receive the proper information ahead of time.
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Up next: Wallet cards that tell you stealing things is inappropriate.
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namaste faggots posted:Our female cf should just toughen up and do their duty war is hell "Lie back and think of Ottawa"? 
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Ikantski posted:Yeah, I don't know why he thought CF, they've got the sex assault problem solved with this new initiative. These are good. They should instead though have them tatooed onto the arm of any male in Canada once they hit puberty.
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Just put more women in leadership positions in the combat arms. My last battery commander (reserves) was a captain, who was an Elementary school teacher in real life, and she was switched on as hell. Come to think about it, that whole unit was weird. BC, BK(2nd in command), BSM (battery sergeant major) and a bunch of other people were all university educated, and things ran pretty smooth in our little world.
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sliderule posted:Right, the only thing it does is eliminate the ignorance excuse. If (ha!) the CF were to crack down on sexist jokes (say), it would not be a credible defense to say that they did not receive the proper information ahead of time. There is absolutely no way that they don't already receive ample training to tell right from wrong in this regard.
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Which of you guys's parody account is this? https://twitter.com/CalgarySenate/status/743664190431211521
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