How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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Remain - Keep Britane Strong! | 328 | 15.40% | |
Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! | 115 | 5.40% | |
Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy | 506 | 23.76% | |
Leave - But only because the EU is terrible | 157 | 7.37% | |
Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea | 61 | 2.86% | |
I'm not going to vote | 19 | 0.89% | |
I'm not allowed to vote | 411 | 19.30% | |
Pissflaps | 533 | 25.02% | |
Total: | 2130 votes |
Spangly A posted:I'm not recognising your name so please tell me if you're trolling or thick? you're describing the BBC but there are very, very easy ways to stop the government interfering with the BBC. The BBC has engaged in censorship to toe the government line. Here's one particularly widespread and egregious example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9394_British_broadcasting_voice_restrictions There are plenty of other examples as well, though they tend to less blatent.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:12 |
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Spangly A posted:I can't argue this point any further because this is something I feel I genuinely don't have evidence to go for. However, if his callout to the crisis team had been judged to require an inpatient stay, he would not have shot an MP. The lady who was working at the desk when he went in didn't seem to think it required immediate treatment. He apparently came in looking for alternate therapies for depression, not really a trigger for immediate sectioning.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:13 |
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Pochoclo posted:Not a good idea either until we stop being so easily corrupted as a species. A huge state-funded media apparatus will just funnel out funds to perpetuate those in power, and cover up their sacking of state coffers (old USSR, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, etc). This always happens. Similarly, judges being paid a government salary to judge cases is always a terrible idea. Things were much fairer in the good old Game of Thrones days when the local landowners were judge, jury and executioner.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:13 |
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JFairfax posted:The tattoos should make it easy right? Which is interesting - the pictures of the man being arrested seemed to show a pudgier guy with no tattoos. I wonder if those picture were of a different person.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:14 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:The BBC has engaged in censorship to toe the government line. Here's one particularly widespread and egregious example. seriously you aren't even responding to what I posted it's very easy to stop the government interfering with the BBC. You simply need a constitution that says that their funding isn't up for government review. State run news services aren't all propaganda; the BBC certainly suffers strong pro-imperialist bias through it's history, but is widely regarded as one of the Least poo poo outlets. Al-jazera is state run by the loving qataris and presents excellent foreign affairs discussions provided it's outside of their immediate influence. Pochoclo posted:Not a good idea either until we stop being so easily corrupted as a species. A huge state-funded media apparatus will just funnel out funds to perpetuate those in power, and cover up their sacking of state coffers (old USSR, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, etc). This always happens. Are you Brazillian? you're incredibly sceptical of what in europe is a normal thing. State media services outside of places that have begun to trend far right are miles better than the free press, with the exception of I guess Germany and SDZ Spangly A fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jun 18, 2016 |
# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:14 |
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Brown Moses posted:Doesn't look like it is him I see I should have added 'efb' to my post
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:15 |
Spangly A posted:seriously you aren't even responding to what I posted He's Argentinian
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:19 |
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TinTower posted:MoS are backing Remain. Is this as surprising as I think it is? My impression was anyone connected to the Daily Mail was all too eager to stop those blasted Eurocrats getting their tentables in Our Bretane.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:20 |
Spangly A posted:seriously you aren't even responding to what I posted Laws or constitutions only prevent people as far as leaders are willing to abide by them. Not only are they subject to change (most often for the"public's safety") but can be undermined by exploiting unforeseen situation's by the draftors. Plus when you have only one news source who is there to report if the news source is compromised? Multiple independent news outlets are the only way to combat censorship since they have a vested interest in exposing censorship of their competitors.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:21 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:
yeah on the other hand phone hacking
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:22 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:Multiple independent news outlets are the only way to combat censorship since they have a vested interest in exposing censorship of their competitors.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:24 |
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Set up a guillotine in fleet street imo. Yes I know hardly any of the papers are based in fleet street anymore you despicable pedant
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:28 |
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Oberleutnant posted:Set up a guillotine in fleet street imo. Very few of the papers are actually based in Fleet Street anymore.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:32 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:Laws or constitutions only prevent people as far as leaders are willing to abide by them. Not only are they subject to change (most often for the"public's safety") but can be undermined by exploiting unforeseen situation's by the draftors. You have a weird amount of trust in the ability or inclination of the free market to act in the interest of humanity. Especially in the face of the actual current reality of it completely and spectacularly having failed to do so for the past age.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:42 |
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Mister Adequate posted:Very few of the papers are actually based in Fleet Street anymore. yeah it's now Wapping in Surrey
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:43 |
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Spangly A posted:This is a good post. I'm fully rowing back on my no opinions, and your phrasing of opinions relating to facts is both achievable and provides a wider room for public benefit.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:44 |
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Tesseraction posted:yeah it's now Wapping in Surrey wapping... in surrey ?
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:46 |
Multiple independent outlets owned by rich members of the establishment will promote ideas rich members of the establishment approve of: And as they have the money to have a wide reach, these will be the views spread to society. Sure, there will also be left-wing journalists pointing out that they are being lovely and corrupt (see: how The Telegraph has fallen in the last few years) But if they arn't getting their stories printed in the big national newspapers and out in the public consciousness, it doesn't matter how right they are when most people don't hear them unless they go looking.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:47 |
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Mister Adequate posted:Mair sounds an awful lot like a Scottish surname to me, I think we need to talk about tightening up security north of the border to stop this insidious menace. Why hasn't anyone thought of building a wall???
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:48 |
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Metrication posted:wapping... in surrey ? sorry I meant some other pointless part of greater london I kinda hate the south as much as I ignore the north
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:48 |
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Make Rome Great Again
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:50 |
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Nenonen posted:Why hasn't anyone thought of building a wall??? And Israel.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:51 |
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/744285195881299974
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:52 |
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If you're proposing rebuilding hadrian's wall that would relegate a disressing amount of Northumbria to the mercy of being overrun by Britain First members.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:52 |
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who are those 6%
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:53 |
OwlFancier posted:You have a weird amount of trust in the ability or inclination of the free market to act in the interest of humanity. We've never had more access to alternate sources for news than we do today. It takes a couple of hundred pounds to setup a channel on YouTube with acceptable production values and no money to start a Twitter or tumbler blog. And just access to a smartphone to start a podcast. People acting like tabloids are this unstoppable juggernaut that needs to be stopped with legislation is really puzzling. Especially given the downward trend of revenues for them and newspapers.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:53 |
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If your leaders are not putting Britain first, who are they putting first?
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:54 |
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Angepain posted:Is this as surprising as I think it is? My impression was anyone connected to the Daily Mail was all too eager to stop those blasted Eurocrats getting their tentables in Our Bretane. Yep, I was trying to think of other things that "MoS" could be, having immediately discounted Mail on Sunday.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:54 |
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:who are those 6% Pissflaps
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:54 |
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Sod Hadrian, herd the degenerate jocks up out of the Lowlands and rebuild the Antonine Wall.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:54 |
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we can't be the stupid empire anymore
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:55 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:We've never had more access to alternate sources for news than we do today. And yet we continue to accelerate towards idiocy and lies comprising an overwhelming proportion of the public discourse. "Just let the free market sort it out" has never been a good solution historically, what makes you think it will be any better here?
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:55 |
Nitrousoxide posted:We've never had more access to alternate sources for news than we do today. Sure: But you still need money to make people listen or care. The ability to create content or point out flaws means nothing when the big outlets can ignore, brush over, or hide on page 24 in small font any uncomfortable news.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 22:59 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:The BBC has engaged in censorship to toe the government line. Here's one particularly widespread and egregious example.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:01 |
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Julio Cruz posted:Yep, I was trying to think of other things that "MoS" could be, having immediately discounted Mail on Sunday. My mind immediately went to Ministry of Sound who surely love Europe
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:01 |
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We used to get five different newspapers on a Sunday and read them as a family, and the Mail on Sunday had the best magazine.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:03 |
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Well, the owner of the Ministry of Sound was he's a long-term Lib Dem donor. Paging Phoon: Gisela Stuart posted:I will remember Jo Cox as an extraordinarily gutsy politician. Our paths first crossed when we attended meetings with Syrian opposition groups.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:05 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:If your leaders are not putting Britain first, who are they putting first? Themselves? Is that in any doubt?
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:06 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:We've never had more access to alternate sources for news than we do today. Even with their falling circulations tabloids still have a combined readership in the millions, I can't see an independent UK news youtube/twitter/tumlber/podcast reading those numbers. Also journalism isn't cheap you're vastly underestimating the cost of decent well-researched news production. Jesus that new thread title is a bit loving dark.
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:14 |
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it's darkest before the dawn
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# ? Jun 18, 2016 23:24 |