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Hopeford posted:Someone refresh my memory, is Leorio gonna be part of this arc? Can't remember if he is or not. 
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Leorio is on the boat.
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Jun 18, 2016 06:06
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Hopefully Leorio is down with the rioting normal people and not locked in with the psyhopaths and nen beasts 
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Jun 18, 2016 06:09
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Leorio is going to be the successor.
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Jun 18, 2016 06:10
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Leorio's with Cheadle as part of the expedition's medical team, so he's presumably helping deal with the atrocious medical situation down there, yeah. Which means that he might not appear much for the succession arc, due to the way things are set up.
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Jun 18, 2016 06:17
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Roland Jones posted:Leorio's with Cheadle as part of the expedition's medical team, so he's presumably helping deal with the atrocious medical situation down there, yeah. Which means that he might not appear much for the succession arc, due to the way things are set up. Otoh, his nen ability seems like it could, if there was a situation in the lower decks, he could port his arm through and open it from the other side. The chaos down below is both intentional on at least some of the royalty's part and exacerbated by unwanted intruders and will likely be leveraged as a way to assassinate some of the princes.
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Jun 18, 2016 09:48
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Begemot posted:Hopefully Leorio is down with the rioting normal people and not locked in with the psyhopaths and nen beasts I don't think he is yet, but given why he became a doctor, I fully expect that this will at one point become an argument, him wanting to go down to help people in need and someone trying to stop him, probably Kurapika.
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Jun 18, 2016 10:48
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kurapika gon' get the big right hand in that case  my man would never leave people in danger
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Jun 18, 2016 12:19
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Stairmaster posted:Leorio is going to be the successor. He didnt do anything besides jerk off and he's gonna win it
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Jun 18, 2016 16:58
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Will it really impact Kurapika's abilities much even if Hisoka murks all the Spiders before he realises what's happened? It seems like only Chain Jail will be affected considering Emperor Time is completely OP and he can activate the red eyes whenever he wants now.
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Jun 18, 2016 17:09
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he can be a mob boss without a busted hatsu. he would be happy knowing the spiders are gone i think. maybe a shift in focus is what he needs
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Jun 18, 2016 17:40
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Yeah, only Chain Jail is Spider-specific. Judgment Chain and Healing Chain require Emperor Time but he has good control over that, he can get ridiculous power out of the Dowsing Chain (between its combat utility and the various dowsing uses he honestly gets more out of that one fragment of his skills than some people do out of their entire set of abilities), and he still has the mystery index finger chain.
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Jun 18, 2016 17:42
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah, only Chain Jail is Spider-specific. Judgment Chain and Healing Chain require Emperor Time but he has good control over that, he can get ridiculous power out of the Dowsing Chain (between its combat utility and the various dowsing uses he honestly gets more out of that one fragment of his skills than some people do out of their entire set of abilities), and he still has the mystery index finger chain. The index chain is the most powerful chain of all. The Pulling Your Chain.
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Jun 18, 2016 17:47
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jon joe posted:The index chain is the most powerful chain of all. Kurapika confirmed for Aizen
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Jun 18, 2016 17:48
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I think Kurapika's abilities are the only ones where I kind of rolled my eyes at how OP they are. They way he beat Uvogin didn't feel smart because it was just "lol I can tank your hits because I am SPECIAL".
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Jun 18, 2016 17:55
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yeah no i agree, he shouldn't be able to take that punch or heal that arm like he did. Chain jail is deadly even without emperor time which is just silly
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Jun 18, 2016 18:57
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EmmyOk posted:I think Kurapika's abilities are the only ones where I kind of rolled my eyes at how OP they are. They way he beat Uvogin didn't feel smart because it was just "lol I can tank your hits because I am SPECIAL". Eh, not really. Emperor Time just put him on a somewhat level playing field as Uvo, while still being quite a bit weaker at combat. His victory only came about due to his smartly-developed Chain Jail, otherwise he probably wouldn't have stood much of a chance.
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Jun 18, 2016 18:57
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Kurapika's abilities are interesting because they are absurdly OP but can only be absurdly OP through his massive mental problems that cripple his real potential. It's similar to how Big Gon is insanely overpowered but the only way to get there is through severely loving brain problems. Even the Chairman had absolutely absurd power but only did it by being a crazy person who dedicated his life to violence-meditation. An ongoing thing in HxH isn't just that Nen is powerful it is that Nen is a reflection of who you are and those with the strongest Nen also tend to be the most hosed-up people.
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Jun 18, 2016 19:12
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Kurapica bothers me because Togashi did her powers when he still was developing nen and he didn't have a clear idea of how powerful is the average nen user, or how many powers they have, or how much time they need to reach a peak level. He went totally over what was established later. And in addition, as if that wasn't enough, he is 'Batman' in planning and observation skills. Look as the lesson he gave the freaking Zodiacs at the moment he met with them about how to do things.
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Jun 18, 2016 19:39
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Kurapika's hyper-competence is balanced out a bit when you consider he's actually kind of a terrible and miserable human being.
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Jun 18, 2016 19:51
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Bad Seafood posted:Kurapika's hyper-competence is balanced out a bit when you consider he's actually kind of a terrible and miserable human being. So you're saying he's Batman.
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Jun 18, 2016 19:54
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The only Batman I recognize is the one from the animated series where he's actually a pretty okay guy.
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Jun 18, 2016 19:59
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It's like in Naruto (I'm that guy) where a couple of episodes in you're like "why does the writer prefer this dude to the main character?".Genocyber posted:Eh, not really. Emperor Time just put him on a somewhat level playing field as Uvo, while still being quite a bit weaker at combat. His victory only came about due to his smartly-developed Chain Jail, otherwise he probably wouldn't have stood much of a chance. That's not accurate though because he has excellent combat skills and ET allowed him to be on a level playing field with the highest tier of enhancer. He tanks a powerful blow from Uvo and heals almost immediately.
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Jun 18, 2016 20:14
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I'm pretty sure kurapika would not have been nearly as effective against a non-spider enhancer of uvo's calibre. Hatred makes nen stronger, after all.
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Jun 18, 2016 20:18
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EmmyOk posted:It's like in Naruto (I'm that guy) where a couple of episodes in you're like "why do you way prefer this dude to your main character?". I wouldn't say he tanks a blow considering it shatters his arm. He's still nowhere near Uvo's level at pure combat, Emperor Time just lets him be at his strongest now rather than having to train for years, which is more of a narrative shortcut than anything. Which means as far as Specialist abilities go it's kind of bad, since he'd be that strong anyway after sufficient training. The healing chain is pretty good but we have no idea how potent it actually is. It can heal limbs but for all we know it can't reattach them or heal more serious injuries. That plus it takes enough time that in combat it would really only work once as from then on a competent opponent would keep him from using it, so against a master enhancer he's still be up a poo poo creak. Again, he was only effect as he was against Uvo thanks to Chain Jail.
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Jun 18, 2016 20:22
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Genocyber posted:I wouldn't say he tanks a blow considering it shatters his arm. He's still nowhere near Uvo's level at pure combat, Emperor Time just lets him be at his strongest now rather than having to train for years, which is more of a narrative shortcut than anything. Which means as far as Specialist abilities go it's kind of bad, since he'd be that strong anyway after sufficient training. The way I see it, Kurapika has this incredibly versatile toolset because he needs it to hunt down Spiders, but he can't compete with people who have specialized in all the poo poo he does. He's good in combat, but would lose an outright brawl to a good Enhancer, he can heal but he's probably not as good at it as the Spider girl whose name escapes me right now...the only thing he might be VERY good at is extracting information with his Dowsing Chain, but it's not outright mind control so it's still limited in its applications. He's a jack-of-all-trades whose one "perfect" tool can only be used against 13 people in the entire world. Plus, despite their variety, his skills are still pretty well-defined in what they do
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Healing Chain not being instaneous would definitely end up getting Kurapika killed against someone as smart as Chrollo or Hisoka. If Uvogin had kept up his attack, instead of letting Kurapika do ANYTHING after standing back up, he seriously could have won, but he was Uvogin and wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Jun 18, 2016 20:41
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Turin Turambar posted:Kurapica bothers me because Togashi did her powers Lol. I didn't do that on purpose.
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Jun 18, 2016 21:34
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The fight with Uvo was as good as over at the beginning. Kurapika hid his chain with In and wrapped it around Uvo at the beginning of the fight. The rest of the fight was just Kurapika confirming in various ways that his Nen was capabable of dealing with the spiders in a straight up fight. If he felt nervous at any point he could have just activated chain jail.
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ImpAtom posted:Kurapika's abilities are interesting because they are absurdly OP but can only be absurdly OP through his massive mental problems that cripple his real potential. "hosed-up people" is kind of too specific and negative to be honest. I think it's more that people who are able to almost singlemindedly focus their mind towards a single task or idea will excel with Nen. Sure, Netero was extremely devoted to punching things which made him strong but on the other hand Morel is extremely devoted to being chill as gently caress and his Nen is pretty top tier too. In Kurapika's case he just took a big shortcut to his development of Nen which will lead to him hitting a ceiling he probably won't ever be able to break because he is after all an extended "revenge will never be fulfilling" metaphor and never reaching his true potential is going to be part of that.
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Jun 18, 2016 22:20
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Unless Im mistaken, Kurapika's nen only works on spiders. What if the spiders left the clan or removed their tattoos?
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Jun 18, 2016 22:34
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i dont think its out of the question for a sufficiently talented person to completely throw away their hatsu and start from scratch. that dumbass cheetah ant just went to get a new nen ability idea from the butterfly guy. that said, i think the only ability of kurapika's that must needs be used against spiders is chain jail. the real lynchpin of Kurapika's nen is Emperor Time. looking at it logically, the narrative kind of exaggerated how specific Kurapikas abilities really are
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Jun 18, 2016 23:04
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LolitaSama posted:Unless Im mistaken, Kurapika's nen only works on spiders. What if the spiders left the clan or removed their tattoos? I was gonna say that real spiders are in for life, but then I remembered Kalluto. He certainly doesn't think that he is gonna be a member for the rest of his life, though that may be the case if Hisoka kills him.
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Jun 18, 2016 23:05
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LolitaSama posted:Unless Im mistaken, Kurapika's nen only works on spiders. What if the spiders left the clan or removed their tattoos?
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Jun 18, 2016 23:07
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Schubalts posted:Then they would cease to officially be part of the Troupe. This has not happened outside of Hisoka, so we have no idea if it will work on former members of the Troupe. Either way, it's probably dependent entirely on how Kurapika views them, himself. If they left the Troupe, but Kurapika doesn't know that they left, his Nen might still work on them regardless. And then immediately kill him when he finds out.
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Jun 18, 2016 23:12
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Phantom Rouge has Chain Jail working on Omokage because Kurapica views him as still a member even if the other Troupe members don't. Phantom Rouge is stupid, though.
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Jun 19, 2016 00:08
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Didn't Togashi work on Phantom Rouge or The Last Mission? They're both very bad and misunderstand fundamental things about the series.
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EmmyOk posted:Didn't Togashi work on Phantom Rouge or The Last Mission? They're both very bad and misunderstand fundamental things about the series. IIRC his only connection with those is that PR is based on backstory he cut.
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Jun 19, 2016 00:18
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LolitaSama posted:Unless Im mistaken, Kurapika's nen only works on spiders. What if the spiders left the clan or removed their tattoos? Kurapika has a bunch of different chains on his fingers and only some of them are spider specific powers!
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I want to say that the war of succession is going to result in a TPK for the princes but if I had to pick a favorite to win I'd bet on Harkenburg. I really think he's hiding a deeper darkness than what his family believes. Or at least when things pop off he'll acclimate to the battle and begin to knock off the others himself (albeit in a way that doesn't immediately draw attention to himself)Bad Seafood posted:But was he a conjurer or an emitter?
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