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Credit where credit is due: from a purely production based standpoint, that was probably the greatest battle sequence ever filmed for a TV show. Blackwater, for example, was well filmed (and a better episode overall), but still very much a TV-level production with all the limitations that entailed, most clearly seen when battle was actually joined and it looked like a couple of dozen guys going at it tops. This episode really did blur the lines between what you'd expect from a TV show, and what you'd see in a well-budgeted movie. So yeah, while it had nothing special that hasn't been done in movies many times before before, to see that in a TV show was quite a spectacular feat in of itself. Absolute garbage, cliche-riddled writing, as has been par for the course with this show for a very long time now, but a brilliantly produced spectacle for television.
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I hope they wont ever trust Jon again to command even a patrol after this fiasco. He is the worst commander
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WampaLord posted:Best theory seems to be that he finds out he's a product of incest and freaks out. I doubt Marge will die, considering we haven't seen that leak in a spoiler yet. My guess is Cersei sets the city on fire and his jump is an act of desperation. We will then have a discussion about Russians jumping from great heights onto whatever surface Tommen lands on.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:46
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The episode opens with a catapult being loaded and fired from a ship, yet every ship from the far out shots is shown to be using trebuchets. Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
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Ginette Reno posted:The ep 10 preview had Davos yelling at Mel for the Shireen thing. I guess he's finally figured it out. I hope so and I hope he fails. I actually like both book and show Mel precisely because both are trying to work for the greater good, often in quite evil ways. Mel knows winter is coming and that the others are the true enemy of mankind and she will do anything to stop them, including offering children. She is an interesting character, she has been a true beliver, but is now starting to question her own believes, because her predictions have been wrong.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:48
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I just watched and I want to whine about Starks apparently discovering what a phalanx is, at a pretty bad time. You might even say a really dumb time.
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Wasn't bothered by much of everything in the North, thought it was all good and fine. The sequence when the camera follows Jon after the cavalry charge was fantastic, hectic and stressful, very similar to that Hardhome sequence. A poster did write that it's pretty hosed up of Sansa to not mention she's waiting for the Vale forced and that could have led to Jon and the whole army dying and...that's a good point. But that didn't occur to me while watching. Only thing I'm bothered by is not giving the Greyjoys a chance to come in and smash some Slaver ships. Which definitely happens in the books, and is a pretty easy way to display loyalty to Dany? I guess they ran out of time and money to portray a huge second battle and they wanted to really make this Dany's Victory. Whatever. It's too bad they didn't show the North really breaking with Ramsay in some fashion. Everything is about main characters in the show, they're the only movers of events. Ah well. Mike N Eich fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Atreiden posted:I had hoped the Samwell plot would have moved to old town and his training as a maester by now. It's not like the season didn't waste a lot of time on pointless scenes, where they could have shown Sam's plot instead. Especially Tyrion's drinking with robots scenes
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I won't go back to quote him because I don't want to shame him that much but there's someone itt who thinks there's only been a week between Stannis dying and the events that took place in last night's episode, that's the sort of audience D&D are dealing with, it's understandable why the writing is so bad because why bother when the audience are this loving retarded.
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meristem posted:The Sam plot will probably consist of him getting kidnapped by Euron, providing a foil to him, and then joining Dany after the two fight. So I'm not sure why you feel the need to hurry it. Because I hoped he would go the book route and actually start his training as a maester. If nothing else, than to discover some long lost secrets about dragons and valyrian steel. El Hefe posted:I won't go back to quote him because I don't want to shame him that much but there's someone itt who thinks there's only been a week between Stannis dying and the events that took place in last night's episode, that's the sort of audience D&D are dealing with, it's understandable why the writing is so bad because why bother when the audience are this loving retarded. It has actually only been two days 
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Snatch Duster posted:In Episode 10, we see Lyanna and a baby in the Tower of Blue Balls Joy. She whispers something we don't hear. It then cuts to Jon. If this is true, this is beyond stupid as hell. Just loving say it already and stop playing coy.
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What happened to Karstark? I thought one of the spoilers said Jon kills him, but I didn't see anyone like him in the battle.
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It's a drama but for real getting caught behind a body pile and then just letting a phalanx that up to that point had just been chilling and unengaged suddenly encircle you sounds really bad. I AM NOT GENERAL ALEXANDER i'm just saying it's a medieval show, one that's historically already had its bronze age and is probably acutely aware of stuff like that, so you dig trenches to stop calvalry charges but i guess that and seeing your brother die just mentally exhausted you and kept you from wondering why Ramsay had a bunch of spearmen hanging out. Everyone just stood there like it was some kind of blood magic when it happened too and it's just so god drat dumb but anyway I really liked the episode still. A lot of catharsis was had. I'm glad that rumored "He must stand trial!" spoiler was false.
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El Hefe posted:I won't go back to quote him because I don't want to shame him that much but there's someone itt who thinks there's only been a week between Stannis dying and the events that took place in last night's episode, that's the sort of audience D&D are dealing with, it's understandable why the writing is so bad because why bother when the audience are this loving retarded. Yeah that got a genuine laugh out of me. I assume he was joking though.
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VaultAggie posted:What happened to Karstark? I thought one of the spoilers said Jon kills him, but I didn't see anyone like him in the battle. Tormund takes a few chunks out of him.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Tormund takes a few chunks out of him. That was Umber.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Tormund takes a few chunks out of him. That was the Umber EFB
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Nail Rat posted:If this is true, this is beyond stupid as hell. Just loving say it already and stop playing coy. I think they might be giving it as a concession to GRRM who wants to have that particular reveal.
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Demiurge4 posted:I think they might be giving it as a concession to GRRM who wants to have that particular reveal. Winds of Winter won't be out before Season 7 though so it's a fool's errand to try to give him that. Anyhow if they want to give him the reveal teasing it this season was dumb; going back to tease the reveal a second time is even more dumb. Just leave it alone until you're ready to resolve it.
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Demiurge4 posted:I think they might be giving it as a concession to GRRM who wants to have that particular reveal. I half believe that GRRM is that reddit poster who leaked the spoilers
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its kinda funny i enjoy the stuff some people really dislike. like theon and yara just being in mereen, im glad i didn't have to watch more eps of them sailing there, wouldve been boring. the one scene they did have on the way was quite good, too, so leaving it at that is perfect.
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Jun 20, 2016 16:37
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Jon's army is almost entirely Wildlings. I don't think it's unrealistic that they got encircled so easily.
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Nail Rat posted:If this is true, this is beyond stupid as hell. Just loving say it already and stop playing coy. Someone had a theory that Jon will see his true parentage when he goes down to the crypt when burying Rickon. Sounds good to me. Maybe that's what the cut to him is.
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Codependent Poster posted:Someone had a theory that Jon will see his true parentage when he goes down to the crypt when burying Rickon. Sounds good to me. Maybe that's what the cut to him is. how would he see it? i like the idea cuz it moves that storyline forward, but what would the starks have down there that would let him know?
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tbp posted:how would he see it? i like the idea cuz it moves that storyline forward, but what would the starks have down there that would let him know? DNA testing kit Considering they have a magic priestess, anything can happen
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tbp posted:how would he see it? i like the idea cuz it moves that storyline forward, but what would the starks have down there that would let him know? Bran still has to do SOMETHING.
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I think next season it's likely we will see Howland Reed finally show up as the questions of Jon's parentage and status as a bastard comes up. Even if he and Bran Stark somehow know, there is nobody alive from the tower of Joy except him and Jon. Unless Sansa is going to become queen in the north, or her acceptance of Tully help came with some lame rear end strings attached like another marraige to littlefinger or something, things are headed towards jon assuming himself as the de jure head of house stark, unless Bran makes it to winterfell and wants that poo poo for himself, and he didn't seem to enjoy being warden very much for his time there. Jon knowing his parentage, and having it backed up by Howland also creates an interesting conflict with Dany, as his claim is stronger if RL+J is true and Howland vouches. Being Jon Stark-Targaryen of Winterfel will be a point of friction as dany, the south, and the north strart coming to terms with the arrival of others, or it may serve to basically force the northern and southern houses to accept a targ ruler, history will prove fairly cyclical and something like how Torrhen Stark knelt.
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You can say Jon is a lovely commander, but he's 2-0 as a starting quarterback
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Harlock posted:You can say Jon is a lovely commander, but he's 2-0 as a starting quarterback The Tim Tebow of Westeros.
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tbp posted:how would he see it? i like the idea cuz it moves that storyline forward, but what would the starks have down there that would let him know? They said the crypts would have their parentage on it. So Rickon would say son of Eddard and Caitlin. Then Jon would see his that was already prepared and it would show Lyanna and Rhegar. Here's the link. https://m.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4k261b/spoilers_everything_the_forbidden_tomb_in_the/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Codependent Poster posted:They said the crypts would have their parentage on it. So Rickon would say son of Eddard and Caitlin. Then Jon would see his that was already prepared and it would show Lyanna and Rhegar. holy lol if true. its not like the crypts are a secret and people can walk down there to pay their respects.
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The crypts aren't a secret themself, but don't they house secrets in the books?
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The crypts are not secret, it's just that Theon and Ramsay never suspected Bran and Rickon's party circled back to winterfell and never thought to search there.
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Right on Lyanna's grave is going to be inscribed "Jon's mine and Rhaegar's kid" and just no one ever bothered to read it. Not even Robert when he visited.
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hemophilia posted:I think next season it's likely we will see Howland Reed finally show up as the questions of Jon's parentage and status as a bastard comes up. Even if he and Bran Stark somehow know, there is nobody alive from the tower of Joy except him and Jon. Even if R+L = J is true, Jon would still be a bastard and Daenerys claim would be stronger. Rhaegar and Lyanna were not married. He has no more claim to the throne than Gendry. Also Sansa received help from the Vale, not the Tully's. Atreiden fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Codependent Poster posted:They said the crypts would have their parentage on it. So Rickon would say son of Eddard and Caitlin. Then Jon would see his that was already prepared and it would show Lyanna and Rhegar. LOL @ this stupidity. Ned literally takes Robert down to the crypts to see Lyanna in the first episode of the show. He spent 15 years hiding that secret from Robert and then he's gonna show it to him literally set in loving stone.
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TommyGun85 posted:LOL @ this stupidity. Remember which show you're watching.
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TommyGun85 posted:LOL @ this stupidity. Ned showed Robert Lyanna's grave, not Jon's.
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Atreiden posted:Even if R+L = J is true, Jon would still be a bastard and Daenerys claim would be stronger. Rhaegar and Lyanna were not married. He has no more claim to the throne than Gendry. Royal bastards are diffferent. Jon can make a claim as both his parents were highborn of two of the most powerful houses at the time of his conception. In history, and IIRC in westeros, Royal bastards are in line and low born bastards are not. If I'm wrong I want proof! E: I meant the vale. The error came up up bc Cat being tully, littlefinger's obsession, all that. my bad on that point. Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Unzip and Attack posted:HAHAHAHAHA that battle was like something I would have written when I was 12 loving years old. They had a literal time out to let the bolton spear guys completely encircle them and there was a pile of bodies like 10 feet high. HAHAHAHAHAHA the spoilers were loving true, jesus christ. Of course Ramsay killed the last giant while 50+ dudes had arrows pointed at him and no one did anything. Of course! Remember a well written show lets the viewers figure some things out for themselves. It was my understanding that at least half of those Calvary were the mercs that deserted Stannis. They left the but remember they were in a foreign land. Ramsey probably offered them food,shelter and gold to fight for him before they went home. Seems obvious to me.
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