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I don't give a poo poo until we get a movie about the Lich King.
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Jun 21, 2016 15:12
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Invalid Validation posted:That would depend on if China would be offended by stereotypes based on their culture. I think the Chinese MMO market was a huge factor as to why they made a Panda-themed WoW expansion in the first place.
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Jun 21, 2016 17:42
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well why not posted:There's heaps of stuff in there for fans, like the black box - Mecca - which contains Glenn Close (who has one half of a scene) - makes no sense to me. Khadgar goes in, has a chat and apparently learns a lesson in metaphor which helps him ... not resolve the movie in any meaningful way. As a fan I still did not get this scene and it left me really confused why it wasn't Medivh's mom, who in the game backstory was guardian before Medivh and after his corruption worked to undo the bad things her son had done, or barring that a Naru.
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Jun 21, 2016 17:48
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"You aren't allowed inside our cube bakery, apostate!" "Oh it opened up? Well go in then, I'll wait here and do nothing."
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Jun 21, 2016 18:34
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My thoughts in no particular structure as it's not worth the effort: - I haven't played a Warcraft game since Warcraft 2 about fifteen years ago but I still managed to follow the gist of most of the plot, save for whatever the gently caress was going on with the wizard kid and the crone who gave him advice which I didn't get at all. It's still the same typical plot that Blizzard have been using since Starcraft so no surprises there. The fact they tried to cram so much into two hours obviously didn't help with exposition, the whole movie felt like it was on fast forward - Of course I went hoping for cool cheesy fantasy visuals instead of plot and I think it delivers in large part for this, except for the battle in the chasm which looked like absolute poo poo - Fimmel is a terrible actor and his performance was exactly the same as the one he gives in Vikings - The only thing I could think about when I saw the orc's wife is 'white trash'. Don't know why but the actress really reminded me of a typical trailer park hoe - Not a great movie by any distance, but it was at least kind of interesting to watch. As many have said at least it wasn't interminably boring like the hobbit movies
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Jun 21, 2016 19:19
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Just saw this. There were, like, thirty other people in the theatre, which seems quite a lot for a 13h30 showing on a Tuesday. More surprisingly, a lot of them were middle-aged or elderly. Given all the negativity I've heard about it, I was actually really pleasantly surprised. There were a few scenes that fell flat (anything with Lothar and Callan) and Travis Fimmel really does have all the range and charisma of wet cardboard, but it was largely entertaining. I even have to walk back my previous complaint about them not using pre-existing Warcraft music, since they do use the Stormwind theme when it first shows up and they play Legends of Azeroth over the credits. There were also a few times when the music almost sounded like A Call to Arms. I do wish that the Universal logo at the beginning had swapped out Azeroth for Earth, though. That would have been cute. Overall, I wish they had gone with a more tongue-in-cheek tone, since I think that's what sets Warcraft in general apart from its fantasy roots.
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Jun 21, 2016 21:19
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exquisite tea posted:I think the Chinese MMO market was a huge factor as to why they made a Panda-themed WoW expansion in the first place. Why do people think this. It doesn't make any logical sense. "Oh everyone in china loves our european fantasy game, guess that means they want us to make a parody of their culture using pandas."
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Jun 21, 2016 21:21
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Even so much as acknowledging China exists in your movie will get half the country in theaters.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:13
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The only time China has ever been offended by Pandarians was when they were originally presented as Japanese in WCIII. Using the really obvious tropes people identify with their own culture isn't generally offensive, just like using Old West imagery doesn't offend Americans. China's most vocal response to Kung-fu Panda, for example, was "maybe we're too reverent; this takes some of our most sacred concepts and makes them funny without being disrespectful." Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Jun 22, 2016 00:23
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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:
I think a lot of white trash pregnant women are depicted as like, arching their back and sticking out their stomach and having their hand on their belly (often while smoking). I think it's because stuff that wants you to hate those white trash BREEDERS want to use all the visual signs of pregnancy at once to make sure you know the women is CROTCH SPAWNING or whatever so they accentuate the pregnant belly a bunch of ways to make sure you see it. I think this movie used the same pregnancy visual accentuations because it's less obvious a fantasy orc lady is pregnant unless they call attention to it a bunch of ways. edit: literally this pose: 
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Jun 22, 2016 03:29
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Phylodox posted:Overall, I wish they had gone with a more tongue-in-cheek tone, since I think that's what sets Warcraft in general apart from its fantasy roots. This really needed a soundtrack full of super-tacky heavy metal ballads.
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Jun 22, 2016 08:38
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well why not posted:This really needed a soundtrack full of super-tacky heavy metal ballads. I missed the "ballads" bit on first glance and thought of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCgluVD0Aw
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Jun 22, 2016 08:56
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AnonSpore posted:As a fan I still did not get this scene and it left me really confused why it wasn't Medivh's mom, who in the game backstory was guardian before Medivh and after his corruption worked to undo the bad things her son had done, or barring that a Naru. Yeah I was a bit confused by that too, having played WC1, WC2, WC3 and WoW (albeit a couple of expansions ago)... Who the hell Alodi? There's plenty of existing characters or entities they could have used if they felt they had to have some weird higher power show up for one scene.
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Jun 22, 2016 09:26
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Fimmel also plays basically the same character he does in Vikings in Maggie's Plan but it's used to hilarious effect there.
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Jun 22, 2016 09:27
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VodeAndreas posted:Yeah I was a bit confused by that too, having played WC1, WC2, WC3 and WoW (albeit a couple of expansions ago)... Who the hell Alodi? Apparantly a male elf who was the first guardian. He's in WoW:Leg and frost mages gets his staff as their artifact.
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Jun 22, 2016 21:52
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Chinese audiences don't like being pandered to and they know when it happens because they aren't idiots (Tony Stark getting surgery from a Chinese celebrity in the Chinese version of one of the Iron Man movies was a particularly egregious example that most of them mocked). They'll see it anyway though so pandering is almost entirely for the censors rather than the audience. Like they really legitimately do want to see knights and kings and wizards and all the other staples of western fantasy because basically every single domestic Chinese film is either A) A lovely war drama, or B) based on some sort of Chinese literature which is de-facto Chinese fantasy at this point.
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Jun 23, 2016 00:30
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I'm more surprised they'll show up to a theatre when China is like the biggest pirating country in the world.
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Jun 23, 2016 00:51
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Fojar38 posted:Like they really legitimately do want to see knights and kings and wizards and all the other staples of western fantasy because basically every single domestic Chinese film is either A) A lovely war drama, or B) based on some sort of Chinese literature which is de-facto Chinese fantasy at this point. Yeah, the Chinese classics get rehashed a lot in not only China, but Japan and Korea as well. Like, Dragon Ball was an adaptation of The Journey West, for example. Goku is just the latest version of Son Goku, who is the main character of that and several other classics. Or how there are maybe 19 billion Romance of the Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors games in that series alone, let alone all the other takes on that story. Like take how sick you get of Tolkien knock-offs, then imagine that even Tolkien just wrote the best recent version of Mort d'Arthur.
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Jun 23, 2016 00:53
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Double post.
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Jun 23, 2016 00:54
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese audiences don't like being pandered to and they know when it happens because they aren't idiots (Tony Stark getting surgery from a Chinese celebrity in the Chinese version of one of the Iron Man movies was a particularly egregious example that most of them mocked). They'll see it anyway though so pandering is almost entirely for the censors rather than the audience. Another big problem with the rehashed Chinese literature movies is that those stories are hella long and as such tend to be best told as long tv series rather than you know movies. You either end up with something hyper compressed or like one major chapter if you try to make one into a movie. Edit: Like Three Kingdoms was a baller show, but it took 80 some hours to tell and even that involved skipping a lot of stuff from the novel.
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Jun 23, 2016 01:46
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Hodgepodge posted:Yeah, the Chinese classics get rehashed a lot in not only China, but Japan and Korea as well. Like, Dragon Ball was an adaptation of The Journey West, for example. Goku is just the latest version of Son Goku, who is the main character of that and several other classics. Or how there are maybe 19 billion Romance of the Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors games in that series alone, let alone all the other takes on that story. This is also the reason why there is so much anime and jrpg's and whatnot that use staples of western fantasy; because all the samurai shinto poo poo has been done to death in Japan already and western fantasy is still cool and unique to a lot of asians.
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Jun 23, 2016 06:20
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CJ posted:Apparantly a male elf who was the first guardian. He's in WoW:Leg and frost mages gets his staff as their artifact. Ah so it was a plug for their new expansion... Makes sense that they'd sneak in something like that. Retcons!
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Jun 23, 2016 06:49
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese audiences don't like being pandered to and they know when it happens because they aren't idiots (Tony Stark getting surgery from a Chinese celebrity in the Chinese version of one of the Iron Man movies was a particularly egregious example that most of them mocked). They'll see it anyway though so pandering is almost entirely for the censors rather than the audience. Hold on, I was busy otherizing Chinese by implying they were all too stupid to hate Warcraft. You mean to say that Chinese people won't flock to see movies just because they have [Chinese Thing] in them?
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Jun 23, 2016 06:58
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VodeAndreas posted:Ah so it was a plug for their new expansion... Makes sense that they'd sneak in something like that. Can you really count that as a plug when even people that play WoW don't know or care who he is? A plug would've been having Illidan show up.
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Jun 23, 2016 07:07
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VodeAndreas posted:Ah so it was a plug for their new expansion... Makes sense that they'd sneak in something like that. Umm no because it's a completely different character in Leg. Duncan just wanted to add a ref to the most obscure character possible from a 10 year old comic.
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Jun 23, 2016 13:23
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CJ posted:Umm no because it's a completely different character in Leg. Duncan just wanted to add a ref to the most obscure character possible from a 10 year old comic. Ah, didn't realise it was a comic too.. .I've been warned off all the written materials as I've heard all the books are awful. And not so much a plug but just... I dunno, just seems unnecessarily obscure, the whole Dalaran part in general seemed cut short for the detail put into it. I guess I'll just have to wait 10 years for the sequel.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:11
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The best character was the mage at the funeral of the King . Dude looks legit braindamaged.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:15
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese audiences don't like being pandered to and they know when it happens because they aren't idiots (Tony Stark getting surgery from a Chinese celebrity in the Chinese version of one of the Iron Man movies was a particularly egregious example that most of them mocked). They'll see it anyway though so pandering is almost entirely for the censors rather than the audience. Time published an article about that in light of WoW's success in China. http://time.com/4374395/china-world-of-warcraft-gaming-cinema-movies-film/ They claim the Chinese love of fantasy comes from state approved desperate escapism.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:23
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well why not posted:The best character was the mage at the funeral of the King . Dude looks legit braindamaged. Was that the one who goes, "It never did that before"? I think the movie could have benefited from more comedy like that... by people who could actually deliver funny lines... people not named Travis Fimmel or Ben Schnetzer.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:51
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Time published an article about that in light of WoW's success in China. http://time.com/4374395/china-world-of-warcraft-gaming-cinema-movies-film/ They claim the Chinese love of fantasy comes from state approved desperate escapism. This just seems like a stupid attempt to tie every political thing into being the reason china liked this movie.The one child policy is why kids like warcraft! No, it's communism! The simpler answer is that warcraft is a really popular series and it's a in a more popular part of it's cycle in china than it is currently in the west.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:16
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Well there is a political dimension in the vein of "The CCP only lets a handful of Hollywood movies in a year and they are almost universally better than anything China produces" plus "Legendary is owned by Dalian Wanda who, being a rich man in China, probably has a close relationship with the CCP that allows his company to pull strings to shut out competition for his movie."
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Jun 23, 2016 19:51
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You know what this movie was missing? Dragons. There wasn't a single one. I still hope that rumored Monster Hunter movie is happening. I think Paul WS Anderson said he was gonna do it after he finished up with the last Resident Evil.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:03
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I'm glad, Warcraft dragons suck and are dumb.
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Jun 23, 2016 20:09
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Fojar38 posted:I'm glad, Warcraft dragons suck and are dumb. Counterpoint: Deathwing rulez
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Jun 23, 2016 20:52
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Counterpoint: Deathwing rulez  No.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:07
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Against all my expectations I ended up seeing this film. An old friend of mine was in town and we used to play the original game together back when it came out in the 1990s (literally sitting next to each other in front of a desk top, since multiplayer wasn't a thing back then). I have only a limited recollection of the Warcraft lore but I was surprised by how much started coming back to me after names like "Medivh" and "Gul Dan" were introduced. And the use of the old polymorph spell (which I had forgotten until the film used it) did bring a smile to my face. This was not a good film. I might even say it was a terrible film. The way exposition was handled was laughably bad, the writing and acting were atrocious. But for some reason I almost never found it boring or irritating. I think my expectations were set so low that I was able to enjoy the film's goofy earnestness. It probably helped that the VIP cinema we went to served alchohol. I also found myself bemused by the overwhelming decency of practically everyone in this film other than the primary antagonist. This is like the anti-Game of Thrones, where almost everyone seems to follow a rigid code of honour. The humans were so instinctively trusting and the Orcs were almost all so consistently obedient to their code of ethics. I think a lot of sci fi and fantasies these days isn't really escapist. The turn toward ultra-dark and gritty entertainment feels like a reflection of how stressful and cut-throat modern life has become. Films and popular television rarely offer an escape, instead they present hyper-exagerated reflections of real life anxieties and fears. But Warcraft was so silly and cartoonish that it felt genuinely escapist. It's a silly fantasy in a world with no relation to our own populated by characters who certainly don't resemble any real life person you'll ever meet.
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Jun 23, 2016 21:51
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they made him a guy now? gently caress metzen.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:58
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Groovelord Neato posted:they made him a guy now? They used that for like one quest that's easy to miss. Probably because they realized it looked bad.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:03
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Groovelord Neato posted:they made him a guy now? Alextrasza was made into a sexy blood elf and Ysera was made into a sexy night elf so logically Deathwing gets turned into a dude with hilarious widow's peak
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Warcraft dragons regularly turn into anime characters and cuddle with people/literally gently caress them. It sucks.
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