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It's not just evans that's killing the show. It feels like a group of people with no interest in cars watched the old new top gear, and they tried writing the new top gear, so you have presenters in diesel SUVs screaming like clarkson in an ariel atom because that's what the script says to do. "the porsche is the only car here with a super speedy double clutch transmission, so it spends less time shifting gears, and more time doing this" *cut to intense shaky camera focuses on a speedometer lazily climbing from 90kph to 120kph* Somehow nobody had a problem writing those words about a diesel SUV, saying those words, filming the segment, and it got through editing, too. You could can evans and that poo poo would still exist. That's at least 4 people on every step of the ladder doing a seriously lovely job. Unlikable hosts will drive away the general entertainment audicence, and copying and pasting supercar review formats over boring shitboxes will finish off the car enthusiasts.
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Powershift posted:It's not just evans that's killing the show. This is why viewership is going down in spite of the episodes getting better.
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Jun 21, 2016 06:18
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I've given it four episodes and for all but about 15 minutes of it, it's horrible. Why are Leblanc and Evans wearing the same clothes on every episode?
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Jun 21, 2016 11:14
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Tide posted:I've given it four episodes and for all but about 15 minutes of it, it's horrible. Leblanc likes his leather jacket, Evans wears the same yellow shirt to seem quirky and unique.
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Jun 21, 2016 11:30
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No more "Are you wearing that for a bet?"...
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Jun 21, 2016 12:35
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Powershift posted:It's not just evans that's killing the show. I REALLY wanted to give the new lineup a fair shake but the SUV challenge in South Africa really stuck out for several reasons. 1) There is NO chemistry between the presenters. Nobody has any opinions and nobody takes the piss. It's a too loving kumbaya. 2) Everything is brand new and nothing gets appropriately dirty even when power sliding through mud and into puddles. Did they have a crew following the cars to wash them down between segments? 3) Apart from Eddie Jordan's trim pieces and a quickly mended issue with a... coolant line? There's no damage. No problems whatsoever with the cars and really that's the worst of it because nobody has anything good or bad to say about the cars. Sandbagger SA fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Jun 21, 2016 12:46
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One of the things that bugs me is that when someone wins a challenge they're all buddy buddy and everyone is basically laughing and shaking hands and congratulating them and it all feels so incredibly fake. I don't think there was ever a single challenge on old top gear where the losers didn't try and come up with reasons why the winner actually lost or they actually won or whatever. It made the competition not feel meaningless, because even though the eventual 'prize' of winning was usually pointless you could tell that they all really wanted to win and would come up with any excuse or silly reason or sneaky bit of logic or whatever to come in first (or at least not last). They tried that with the Africa SUV thing a little bit with two of the teams cheating but instead of getting really argumentative about it the exchange was just went like "I think you cheated" "I would never" "well, ok, congratulations" Just like there's no real spirit of camaraderie, there's no spirit of rivalry either, it's just some people reading some lines off a page and doing what they're supposed to do. Even early on in 'old' top gear they were rude and silly in a more natural way, like the way they introduce James in season 2 is by talking about how old and backwards and boring he is. hopterque fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Jun 21, 2016 14:19
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So far, they haven't really driven any cars where you'd expect a lot of break downs.
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I've only seen through Rory's segment on the latest episode but I think it's gotten a bit better. The Harris bit with the Vulcan was absolutely fantastic, I was on the edge of my seat and felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Evans was as terrible as ever. I think LeBlanc is doing well enough but still needs to get comfortable however that might be impossible without the human equivalent of being dragged naked across a cheese grater as his co-host. I enjoyed Rory's Tesla bit but I'm not sure he's got enough charisma for the in-studio bits; I'm not really enjoying the Extra Gear in-studio stuff. I love Sabine, I think she might be a legitimate crazy person but in a good way. Plus, everything is funnier when there's someone screaming in German or at least a thick German accent. I'd love to see Harris, LeBlanc and Sabine be the three, they all seem like they could get along and they are all different enough that it would keep things interesting. Keep Rory for doing everyman car segments (I enjoyed his Focus RS bit from last week) and keep Eddie Jordan as a foil for challenges. EDIT - Evans needs to go though. Grater fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Grater posted:I'd love to see Harris, LeBlanc and Sabine be the three ... Harris needs to go though. I think you mean Evans needs to go, right?
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Grater posted:Keep Rory for doing everyman car segments (I enjoyed his Focus RS bit from last week) YESSSSS
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Load them up with a few pints for a segment and see if that'll improve chemistry and camaraderie. Alternatively, drunken hijinks.
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I don't feel like Rory knows what the gently caress he's talking about.
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Sandbagger SA posted:
The hosts getting their hands dirty was one of my favourite parts in the challenges. Axle snaps in half and James May magics up a way to keep the car going.
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Sandbagger SA posted:3) Apart from Eddie Jordan's trim pieces and a quickly mended issue with a... coolant line? There's no damage. No problems whatsoever with the cars and really that's the worst of it because nobody has anything good or bad to say about the cars. They were new cars and in all likelihood, press cars. Why would you expect them to break? If it were a cheap car challenge, then yes, but these were new cars.
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Antti posted:The hosts getting their hands dirty was one of my favourite parts in the challenges. Axle snaps in half and James May magics up a way to keep the car going.
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Cojawfee posted:They were new cars and in all likelihood, press cars. Why would you expect them to break? If it were a cheap car challenge, then yes, but these were new cars. If they haven't driven it until something breaks, falls off, glows red or melts, then they haven't done a proper job of testing. If I wanted to see a clean and polished car being driven around a safe road at a reasonable pace, I would watch a car advert. InitialDave posted:Or when James May snaps snd starts after his copresenters with a machete. That looked disturbingly real to me.
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spog posted:That looked disturbingly real to me.  Edit: 
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Antti posted:The hosts getting their hands dirty was one of my favourite parts in the challenges. Axle snaps in half and James May magics up a way to keep the car going. Clarkson was always useless really when poo poo broke, but that was part of his appeal I think. May is pretty drat good but Hammond is a goddamn wizard. How on earth he nursed that poor Landcruiser through the Bolivia special is beyond me. I get the distinct impression every single one of the presenters on the new TG would be dumbfounded if they had a breakdown and had to figure out what was wrong.
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*trying to assemble cardboard box* "Who stole my hammer?" That's Jeremy's appeal distilled into a line.
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Jun 21, 2016 17:20
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James May's entire life is pretty much just tinkering with things.
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SiliconX posted:Clarkson was always useless really when poo poo broke, but that was part of his appeal I think. May is pretty drat good but Hammond is a goddamn wizard. How on earth he nursed that poor Landcruiser through the Bolivia special is beyond me.
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Hey now, Clarkson mended a thing once!
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The RWD coupe challenge where May turns up in a Capri because "Didn't you always want a Capri?" is a good example of why that show worked so well compared to the new one. I always got the feeling that May probably would've bought a broken Capri regardless of whether or not he was the presenter of a show that required him to buy a cheap RWD coupe. Those guys just really had a passion for old cars and the show was an excuse for them to buy some.
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We're seemingly forgetting that there's a crew of people that goes with them on these adventures, including mechanics.
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spog posted:That looked disturbingly real to me.
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88h88 posted:We're seemingly forgetting that there's a crew of people that goes with them on these adventures, including mechanics.
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1500quidporsche posted:The RWD coupe challenge where May turns up in a Capri because "Didn't you always want a Capri?" is a good example of why that show worked so well compared to the new one. My favourite TG episode of all time is where they buy old British sports cars. Clarkson gets a Jensen Healey; Hammond, a Lotus Esprit and May, I think, was in a TVR. They actually tried to convince each other that the other person's car was better, they seemed genuinely thrilled to by driving pieces of (albeit janky) automotive history, and they just basically nerded out for the entire film challenge. It was great. I cannot imagine the new TG doing that kind of thing, ever, and being so obviously genuine about enjoying it.
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InitialDave posted:I am reasonably certain that all May uses the mechic for is someone to go and fetch tools out the van while he does the work. I'm reminded of the "it's scripted!" "it's not scripted!" slapfights we used to have. Of course it is, but they were good enough you didn't mind, you didn't keep noticing it. Not so much now.
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Matt wouldn't know about the old British cars, Chris would be screaming something he had someone write down for him, Sabine wouldn't know anything about old British cars, and Eddie would be too busy being an incompetent bumblefuck to realize he'd been relegated to some mode of transport that kept him far away from everyone else.
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Antti posted:I'm reminded of the "it's scripted!" "it's not scripted!" slapfights we used to have. Of course it is, but they were good enough you didn't mind, you didn't keep noticing it. Not so much now.
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InitialDave posted:I mean that I think May very genuinely would want to fix it himself, television magic be damned. Yeah, I was really referring to the other parts of the conversation - that's also why I used May as the example because I'm sure he's doing a lot of the fixing himself. Well, was doing.
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fyodor posted:I don't feel like Rory knows what the gently caress he's talking about. He's the embodiment of "just happy to be here". I hadn't heard of him before it was announced he'd be joining Top Gear and I'm still not sure if that's more on me or him.
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Tide posted:I've given it four episodes and for all but about 15 minutes of it, it's horrible. But now we've all watched two thirds of the whole season so we may as well just finish it off and keep watching. That must be the BBC's strategy. edit: Episode 6 is listed as only being 30 minutes long. Are they tightening things up and gonna give us a really exciting episode or is the final episode just a 30 minute long celebrity interview segment?
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someone earlier mentioned that the Vulcan sounds so much better then what Top Gear recorded. Found a youtube video of one on a track and it is indeed glorious and probably better then this cam recording can capture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNiCBESAFY&t=118s that overrun crackle....
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Is it just me or is there a hint of British racing green in the paint job?
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InitialDave posted:Edit:  How have I never seen this before?
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GutBomb posted:I think you mean Evans needs to go, right? Oops!! Fixed, thanks.
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SiliconX posted:but Hammond is a goddamn wizard. How on earth he nursed that poor Landcruiser through the Bolivia special is beyond me. I'm sure he has help but I still love seeing the guys seemingly work magic like they do. I agree wholeheartedly about new Top Gear and it's one of my biggest gripes with Top Gear USA. I hate when their stuff breaks and they just leave it!
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