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Nihilarian posted:Zarya is awesome, why would you completely gut her like that Mostly cause I am horrible with her, her shields are way too timing reliant for my tastes, and the charge mechanic for her gun is just dreadful and makes an already mediocre weapon worse Again this is from a console player's perspective, she's probably easier to use on PC
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drrockso20 posted:Mostly cause I am horrible with her, her shields are way too timing reliant for my tastes, and the charge mechanic for her gun is just dreadful and makes an already mediocre weapon worse Just because you're bad at her doesn't mean she needs changed.
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Jun 22, 2016 00:38
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I'm also a console player The only two characters I can see them completely reworking like that are D. Va and Symmetra, because they don't really fit the roles they were supposed to I hope they don't because those two are awesome too, but there's more reason to change them than Zarya
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Jun 22, 2016 00:39
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I can totally see Zarya being way worse on consoles, because you need to be able to snap aim at least a little bit to get a shield on a teammate, and that's her best way of getting initial charge a lot of the time. Like, the 80% win rate player that video is about does poo poo like see a Pharah rocket coming at a friendly behind her then gets a shield up on them the half second before it hits. Dunno that you can do that on console so it'll be harder to get a charge going, and her beam is going to be hugely more difficult to aim given the tick rate thing and the already-finicky targeting.
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Jun 22, 2016 00:47
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Shield aiming on console is definitely tougher, yeah
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Jun 22, 2016 00:52
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I imagine everything is tougher on consoles
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Jun 22, 2016 00:54
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If you play FPS' on consoles there's no saving you. EDIT: Be glad you're in a different pool than PC so you have a chance at least.
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Jun 22, 2016 00:54
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drrockso20 posted:Mostly cause I am horrible with her, her shields are way too timing reliant for my tastes, and the charge mechanic for her gun is just dreadful and makes an already mediocre weapon worse Zarya's current mechanics are some of the most fun and rewarding in the game, and also are perfectly in line with her characterization. The sheer panic she induces as that enemy you were about to kill is saved by her shield, then she rounds the corner glowing like a nuclear reactor meltdown and sticks a giant laser in your face, is an absolutely brilliant example of gameplay matching up with the character aesthetic.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:10
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The main change that Symmetra needs is to be moved to the Defense category.
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KoB posted:The main change that Symmetra needs is to be moved to the Defense category. Or just change the no support message to say no healers and only go away when there's a Mercy, Lucio, or Zenyatta.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:20
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Personally I'd like to see it that Symettra can either place hurting turrets or healing turrets with mouse1/mouse2.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:24
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Nihilarian posted:Shield aiming on console is definitely tougher, yeah A little but tbh, I step back and recharge my shield (both life and cooldown versions) and lob grenades anyway. Anyone who gets a shield should be on the front line ahead of me and it's a short cursor distance to hit them. Also, console, lol
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Jun 22, 2016 01:25
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Please change Symmetra from Support to Defense. Thank you.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:38
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Whenever I am Zarya I pray the other team has a junkrat so I can jump head first into his nades on purpose. When I kill him, I shield and squat on his corpse to get all of the charge.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:41
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yoyo Gnomak whats your blizz ID? Also is Tracer considered "low damage"? I had some pubbies raging on my Tracer pick due to being "low damage", is she a hated character?
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Jun 22, 2016 01:41
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Most pub tracers are bad shots and have no tracking aim. A good tracer can track on peoples heads and will gently caress them up.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:45
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my 4-stack played against another 4-stack in koth last night and the double tracer meta is alive and well, and completely poo poo to play against still when people can track heads
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Jun 22, 2016 01:51
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I think tracer in the theoretical world where she nails every shot point blank might legitimately put out the most damage per second out of anything in the game, just that in any sane reality her survivability makes that an impossibility.
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Jun 22, 2016 01:52
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Delete Tracer from the game. Keep the porn though.
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I still think a pretty good change to Symmetra would be to change her E to instead be an automatic aura - close enough to Symmetra and you get the 25 Shield passively. Then, when she presses E, it automatically heals that 25 Shield to anyone in the aura missing it, on something like a 6-8 second cooldown; slightly shorter than Lucio's Amp It Up but often enough that with good timing you can play a much more active role in reducing damage taken. If that's too strong, then just adjust the Shield value to be like, 10 or 15.
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Countblanc posted:my 4-stack played against another 4-stack in koth last night and the double tracer meta is alive and well, and completely poo poo to play against still when people can track heads I really wish this game did not have headshots for non-sniper characters it's not a fun mechanic for me as a noted Bad Aimer and seems like such a misstep
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Cowcaster posted:I think tracer in the theoretical world where she nails every shot point blank might legitimately put out the most damage per second out of anything in the game, just that in any sane reality her survivability makes that an impossibility. I mean, if you wanna theorize, a Bastion point-blank headshotting any non-armored opponent would probably be the highest dps in the game.
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RocktheCaulk posted:yoyo Gnomak whats your blizz ID? Also is Tracer considered "low damage"? I had some pubbies raging on my Tracer pick due to being "low damage", is she a hated character? Tracer's good but she's of very limited use on certain maps, or certain points of certain maps. She's also a flanking character and you need about 0-1 of those on most teams, while literally every pubbie in the game wants to play them because ELITE RAMBO ASSASSIN SOLO KILLS. Their actual stated reason isn't true (I frequently get top damage on Tracer) but if you have 2-3 Tracers, Genjis, Reapers, etc. you're going to fall apart because none of those heroes are designed to stand and fight. e: On KOTH never not play Tracer, though, that's where she shines, especially on Ilios and Nepal.
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Goon in-house stream has started: https://www.twitch.tv/whatspeakyou
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Thor-Stryker posted:I mean, if you wanna theorize, a Bastion point-blank headshotting any non-armored opponent would probably be the highest dps in the game. I think he actually puts out less damage per bullet than a tracer, just that he doesn't have to deal with as much falloff, or spread, so the point-blank necessity is moot for him.
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Also a bad Tracer / Genji is completely useless while even the worst Pharah or Soldier: 76 can at least stand behind a Reinhardt shield and shoot in the general direction of the enemy.
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Zarya is cool and good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9QZ4mDkN4 Not my best Zarya game but I did get Power Overwhelming unlocked and you do get to see some of her butt later on as her glitchy as hell emote glitches out (seriously, wtf is up with it? With this particular skin, the back part of it has weird flashy patches). It's a better butt than Tracer's, at least.
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Please don't buttshame.
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Tracer truly has a trash tier butt though.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Also a bad Tracer / Genji is completely useless while even the worst Pharah or Soldier: 76 can at least stand behind a Reinhardt shield and shoot in the general direction of the enemy. The worst players do not stand behind Rein shields though, so that isn't a point in Soldier or Pharah's favor.
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ToastyPotato posted:The worst players do not stand behind Rein shields though, so that isn't a point in Soldier or Pharah's favor. Well, let me rephrase: if I'm playing with a group of much stronger players and I know I'm going to get pulled out of my comfort zone in terms of MMR, and we already have enough support, I'll play one of those two heroes. Sitting in the deathball may not always be the best place to be and I don't mean to suggest they have a low skill ceiling, but they have a low skill floor compared to flankers.
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Y'all talked about this a long time ago but it's really obvious that reaper is a parody because he has tons of ammo belts with shotgun shells then reloads by throwing away his guns and drawing new ones from nowhere??
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ToastyPotato posted:The worst players do not stand behind Rein shields though, so that isn't a point in Soldier or Pharah's favor. this is why i've given up playing Rein, I just end up being completely by myself because everyone is too busy trying to flank and dying
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abraham linksys posted:this is why i've given up playing Rein, I just end up being completely by myself because everyone is too busy trying to flank and dying Same.  Maybe I have fallen out of the loop, but I don't understand this flanking fetish or where it came from. Back in the day, the bad players would just run into the line of fire and continuously die, but in this game, everyone wants to be the flanker. So many times playing tank or heal where I see my team mate arrows all running off to the same side route, leaving the objective open.
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abraham linksys posted:this is why i've given up playing Rein, I just end up being completely by myself because everyone is too busy trying to flank and dying If no one is standing behind your shields, just wait for the enemy to focus down the flankers and charge in with your hammer. A good Reinhardt is one of the best pub stompers.
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ToastyPotato posted:Same.
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abraham linksys posted:this is why i've given up playing Rein, I just end up being completely by myself because everyone is too busy trying to flank and dying Shame them by laughing at how they're flanking because they can't hit anything that sees them coming.
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ToastyPotato posted:Maybe I have fallen out of the loop, but I don't understand this flanking fetish or where it came from. Back in the day, the bad players would just run into the line of fire and continuously die, but in this game, everyone wants to be the flanker. So many times playing tank or heal where I see my team mate arrows all running off to the same side route, leaving the objective open. It's the same in MOBAs, the worst players always gravitate to stealthy assassins and snipers, and for the same reasons; they can, theoretically speaking, get kills without having to coordinate with their teammates.
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I get mad irl when I play Reinhardt with a team of flankers and get medals for damage/eliminations and I really wish I didn't. I play exclusively with goons 
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