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Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

gay picnic defence posted:

Previous whistleblowers, such as the former International Health & Medical Services director of mental health Dr Peter Young, have also faced serious ramifications for advocating for better care of those held in immigration detention. Police accessed Young�s phone records because he had been critical of the detention regime.

Thank gently caress there are still some people brave enough to speak out.

However this guy is clearly soft on terror.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:11

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CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Same-sex marriage plebiscite: Scott Morrison says he faces bigotry too

Scott Morrison has claimed opponents of marriage equality also face �hate speech and bigotry�, equating their experience to that of LGBTI Australians.

The treasurer was speaking on Radio National on Wednesday, responding to a speech by the Labor frontbencher Penny Wong, who said heterosexual politicians did not understand the fear experienced by LGBTI Australians, many of whom oppose a plebiscite on same-sex marriage.

Morrison said: �People of very strong religious views, they have also been subject to quite dreadful hate speech and bigotry as well. It is not confined to one side of this debate.

�I understand the concern Penny is raising, I know it from personal experience, having been exposed to that sort of hatred and bigotry for the views I�ve taken, from others who have a different view to me.

�But, that said, I have a bigger view of the Australian people � we can deal with this issue as a country once and for all and move on.

�I have an electorate where I cannot represent the view of every person on this issue. People know my view on this in my electorate, and it tends to be, it would seem, the majority view in my electorate.�

Morrison is opposed to same-sex marriage. He said people who disagreed with him on the issue �deserve a say� and the plebiscite was a sensible, practical and inclusive policy.

On Tuesday Wong said: �[Malcolm] Turnbull � and many commentators on this subject � don�t understand that for gay and lesbian Australians hate speech is not abstract.�

She said she faced abuse in her Twitter feed that signalled �words that hurt� would be used in the debate against LGBTI Australians less resilient than herself.

Wong said assaults � and worse � of LGBTI Australians were not unknown, even today. �Many gay and lesbian people don�t hold hands on the street because they don�t know what reaction they�ll get,� she said. �Some hide who they are for fear of the consequences at home, at work and at school.

�Not one straight politician advocating a plebiscite on marriage equality knows what that�s like. What it�s like to live with the casual and deliberate prejudice that some still harbour.�

Labor has stepped up its attack on the government�s plan for a plebiscite on the issue. Bill Shorten described it on Sunday as �a taxpayer-funded platform for homophobia�.

The Greens� LGBTI spokesman, Robert Simms, told Guardian Australia he was worried about the effect of the plebiscite on young people.

�I remember my own process [of] coming out. How in my home state of South Australia at the opening of the gay lesbian pride parade there were street preachers [speaking against homosexuality],� he said. �I would hate to imagine the effect we�d see in a national plebiscite.�

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/22/same-sex-marriage-plebiscite-scott-morrison-says-he-faces-bigotry-too

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:13

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-22/election-2016-vote-compass-same-sex-marriage/7520478

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:18

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

gently caress YOU SCOTT MORRISON gently caress YOUUUUU

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:20

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

QUACKTASTIC posted:

Morrison said: �People of very strong religious views, they have also been subject to quite dreadful hate speech and bigotry as well. It is not confined to one side of this debate.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:21

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

Being called a bigot is totally the same as hate speech u guyz

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:22

Snod.: Oct 3, 2014

Kat Delacour posted:

Being called a bigot is totally the same as hate speech u guyz

"If I can't call them names they can't call me names!"

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:23

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

QUACKTASTIC posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-22/election-2016-vote-compass-same-sex-marriage/7520478

1/5 Green voters doesn't support same sex marriage?

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:28

asio: Nov 29, 2008; "Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

Zenithe posted:

1/5 Green voters doesn't support same sex marriage?

1 in 5 people who hold greens values are liberal voters who got a rude shock from their vote compass results.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:32

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Zenithe posted:

1/5 Green voters doesn't support same sex marriage?

No, they are only reporting those who "strongly" agree or disagree. I expect the majority of the 20% left over being in the "Disagree" group or neutral group.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:35

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
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You Am I posted:

In this latest episode of "Liberal Candidates keeping it classy" we have Ben Willis with this classy Facebook post from January 22nd that's just been outed:

While it is mathematically impossible to high five someone in the face with a chair since it only has four legs, once again shows how out of touch these morons are, and how they forget the mantra "Anything posted on the Internet will be there, forever"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-22/ben-willis-should-be-disendorsed-says-penny-wong/7531420

That worried me for a minute as I've got a good friend with the exact same name but luckily it's a different person.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:50

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Probably plenty of people who vote Greens who don't know what the party's position on this or any other issue is.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:52

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Zenithe posted:

1/5 Green voters doesn't support same sex marriage?

Essential's poll from a few months ago puts the figure at 2%, but it's been higher in previous polls.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:57

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

it's still mind boggling that of all things labor won't flip on instantly for the popular vote is letting gay folks get married

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:57

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Kat Delacour posted:

I'm 99% sure I used to work with the 'high five in the face with a chair' guy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-22/ben-willis-should-be-disendorsed-says-penny-wong/7531420

I am trying to find a linkedin to prove my hunch. It was a terrible awful job but I guess he internalised the pain and decided it was the poors fault.

eta: cloudflare is getting on my last nerve

He is a HR rep, so makes sense that he's a complete prat.

iajanus posted:

That worried me for a minute as I've got a good friend with the exact same name but luckily it's a different person.

Hi Ben

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:59

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

gently caress the shoppies

# ? Jun 22, 2016 01:59

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Seagull posted:

it's still mind boggling that of all things labor won't flip on instantly for the popular vote is letting gay folks get married

A Labor MP is more likely to support same sex marriage than a Labor voter is, and that's been true for a few years now.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:01

Au Revoir Shosanna: Feb 17, 2011; i support this government and/or service

Plebiscite done, thanks ABC!

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:08

The Narrator: Aug 11, 2011; bernie would have won

Seagull posted:

it's still mind boggling that of all things labor won't flip on instantly for the popular vote is letting gay folks get married

Isn't Shorten's position to skip the plebiscite and hold a HoR vote in the first 100 days of a Labor government?

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:12

Snod.: Oct 3, 2014

The Narrator posted:

Isn't Shorten's position to skip the plebiscite and hold a HoR vote in the first 100 days of a Labor government?

Yes

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:15

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Apparently another boat has been intercepted. Watch the media grill Dutton about how the government hasn't stopped the boats. :xd:

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:18

Snod.: Oct 3, 2014

Starshark posted:

Apparently another boat has been intercepted. Watch the media grill Dutton about how the government hasn't stopped the boats.

He has already blamed Bill saying he has sent the "green light" to people smugglers

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:22

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

The Narrator posted:

Isn't Shorten's position to skip the plebiscite and hold a HoR vote in the first 100 days of a Labor government?

my point is that labor won't bind on marriage equality and leave it to someone's conscience but torturing people is something we cannot budge on

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:27

wombat74: Sep 30, 2005; Corporate Fat Cat

Starshark posted:

Apparently another boat has been intercepted. Watch the media grill Dutton about how the government hasn't stopped the boats.

As if they haven't been coming the whole time anyway but hidden due to "on water matters". Someone in Dutton's office just leaked the latest arrival to try and drum up more scare votes with Murdoch's help

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:32

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Even Turnbull on Q&A didn't say the boats "weren't coming any more". They have always specifically said the boats aren't making it here any more.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:36

Snod.: Oct 3, 2014

They stopped the boats ^{from landing in Australia}

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:42

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

saying that people espousing homophobia are experiencing the same thing as LGBTI people is some amazing straw man small l liberal bullshit.

"But you see both sides of the argument are wrong, the truth is in the middle."

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:50

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Seagull posted:

it's still mind boggling that of all things labor won't flip on instantly for the popular vote is letting gay folks get married

The working class isn't very socially progressive.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 02:56

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

PRO WATCH - ACTUALLY AMAZING

http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2016/06/22/hello-were-being-refugees-today-sammy-js-playschool-parody-dark-satire-its-best

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:08

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

lol what a card, a guy on my FB put a stupid simpsons quote on his ballot paper lol how funny haha gently caress voting properly amirite?

Same dickhead complains about Liberal pretty much daily.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:11

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Snod. posted:

Turns out being edgy on the internet doesn't actually ever benefit you

N... No..... :negative:

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:14

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

IPA writes something not completely ridiculous.

quote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-21/berg-moral-bankruptcy-of-the-olympics/7528680
The Olympic movement likes to affect an image of sporting valour and nobility. But it is the epitome of government waste, almost always doing great harm to its host and taking a real human toll, writes Chris Berg.

The mayor of Rio de Janeiro would like the world to know that the economic crisis engulfing Brazil "in no way delays the delivery of Olympic projects and the promises assumed by the city of Rio."

Other non-Olympic promises are in jeopardy. On the weekend Rio's state governor declared a state of financial emergency. The city faces "a total collapse in public security, health, education, transport and environmental management" if it does not receive funding from the federal government of Brazil.

What a contrast. On the one hand, Rio's politicians have absolute confidence they will deliver this year's summer Olympic games, which begin on August 5. On the other hand, they have almost no confidence they will be able to provide their citizens with the basic functions of government.

Rarely is the moral bankruptcy of the Olympics so starkly put. Bread and circuses both consume scarce resources. What should we think of governments that put circuses first? What should we think of the circus?

Brazil is in the middle of an economic and political crisis. The Brazilian economy has been in recession since the start of 2015. It has shrunk a massive 5.4 per cent since this time last year. Brazil's inflation rate is around 10 per cent. The only silver lining is that the economy shrunk by slightly less than experts had predicted.

Brazil's recession is having social consequences. The cash-strapped Rio state government cut the police budget by a third, reversing advances in crime reduction made since the turn of the century, and raising concerns about tourist safety during the Games. Unemployment is at 11 per cent and growing, and 24 per cent of young people are unemployed. This is the worst economic crisis in Brazil since the 1930s.

The political crisis is almost as calamitous as the economic one. President Dilma Rousseff has been stood down while she is impeached by Brazil's senate. Rousseff is formally accused of manipulating the government budget to hide the size of the deficit. (Simply servicing Brazil's debt costs 7 per cent of the country's GDP.) But she's also tied up in a major corruption scandal concerning a state-owned oil company. The interim president is also tied up in a corruption scandal. Indeed, up to 30 per cent of the country's politicians might be implicated in a corruption scandal shortly.

It could well be that the Rio Olympics go off without a hitch. News stories about delayed projects and panicked construction are as much a part of the Olympic ritual as the torch relay and parade of nations.

Hosting the games is a terrible economic deal at the best of times. Hosting the games when you're a developing economy in the middle of a serious recession is its own scandal.

The woeful economics of the Olympics are clear-cut and, outside the corridors of political power, uncontroversial. A paper published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives in May this year summarising a mass of scholarship and analysis found that the Olympics are almost always a "money-losing proposition".

The influx of tourism rarely compensates for the decline of economic activity displaced by the Games, and rarely translates into long run tourism increases. It is true that hosting an Olympics encourages governments to invest in infrastructure, but the bulk of those funds are spent on uneconomic specialised venues that cities struggle to utilise once the closing ceremony is finished. Only construction and development companies gained from the Sydney Olympics, as my colleague Sinclair Davidson has found.

The economics are even worse for developing countries. To avoid disaster host cities need extremely capable and non-corrupt management, as well as the political stability to facilitate that management. These sorts of institutions are sadly lacking in poorer nations.

Hosting the Olympics is particularly dangerous for countries that lack tight control over government expenditure. For instance, the Athens games in 2004 exacerbated Greek fiscal profligacy - while the Olympics did not cause the Greek economic crisis, the stadiums and infrastructure stand as monuments to the reckless spending that did.

Brazilian governments spend 41 per cent of the country's GDP, which, as the Wall Street Journal pointed out in April, approaches the sort of spending levels seen only in mature social democracies like Germany and Norway. It is just not a country with the institutions to manage the extreme political and economic pressures of Olympic hosting.

It is galling, then, that the International Olympic Committee has been encouraging bids from developing countries. Even a failed bid can be extremely expensive � the "low cost" bids for the 2024 games cost about $AU80 million each.

This money of course comes not from the politicians who flank their bids and take box seats at opening ceremonies. It comes from the taxpayers of the bidding countries, and from the public services not provided as scarce resources are redirected towards stadiums and ceremonies.

The Olympic movement likes to affect an image of sporting valour and nobility. But it is the epitome of government waste, almost always doing great harm to its host and taking a real human toll. Once the athletes have gone home, let us hope Brazil can recover from this recklessness quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLoyj9EII2U

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:15

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

SynthOrange posted:

gently caress YOU SCOTT MORRISON gently caress YOUUUUU

He's from The Shire. He is likely representing the majority view of his constituency.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:15

Ten Becquerels: Apr 17, 2012; My Little Tony: Leadership is Magic

Recoome posted:

PRO WATCH - ACTUALLY AMAZING

http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2016/06/22/hello-were-being-refugees-today-sammy-js-playschool-parody-dark-satire-its-best

I kind of like the idea of people smugglers sitting around glued to Australian TV, waiting for the moment someone in parliament says 'maybe putting people in concentration camps is a bad idea' so they can bring back the boats.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:26

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Sammy J's show is the best political commentary this country has ever had

# ? Jun 22, 2016 03:38

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

The Greens seem like they're aiming very low with this 20% soft drink tax. I rarely drink Coke, but a can going from $1 to $1.20 wouldn't stop me. Why not make it 2000%? It's not like there aren't plenty of sugar free drinks available already.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:15

LibertyCat: Mar 5, 2016; by WE B Bourgeois

Snod. posted:

They stopped the boats ^{from landing in Australia}

Good enough for me.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:17

LibertyCat: Mar 5, 2016; by WE B Bourgeois

open24hours posted:

The Greens seem like they're aiming very low with this 20% soft drink tax. I rarely drink Coke, but a can going from $1 to $1.20 wouldn't stop me. Why not make it 2000%? It's not like there aren't plenty of sugar free drinks available already.

Oh please have a 2000% tax as greens policy.it'd lose you the "greens will make drugs legal right" idiot druggie vote in a heartbeat.

# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:19

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Have we got to the point where soft drinks are a recreational drug now?

If the Greens really did legalise all drugs they'd probably come in plain packaging and cost more than they do now anyway.

"Mitsubishi symbols are attractive to children and normalise the consumption of ecstacy so from now on all pills with be greenish brown and have a diseased lung imprinted on them."

open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jun 22, 2016

# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:23

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 17:43

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Tokamak posted:

He's from The Shire. He is likely representing the majority view of his constituency.

Somebody once told morrison that blackmailing people with tortured children and accussing charity workers of encouraging the harm theyre there to alleviate wasnt very christian and he's been a big blubbery mess every since

# ? Jun 22, 2016 04:25

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