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Irae
Nov 19, 2011
I also don't mind using my own materials to make those items for someone, provided they get those back to me eventually (so they can buy / gather them at their own leisure and not right at the time I make it, which may be market board prime time with inflated prices).
So far no one ruined it, so feel free to contact Una Ventful if you're on Excalibur (possibly in advance, making a full set takes a while).

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Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Fister Roboto posted:

This is a terrible idea. Eso gear is only 210 when upgraded, you'd need 3155 for the entire set, and you'd have to run Void Ark 11 times to upgrade it all. The 220 crafted gear only needs 1160 eso for materials (2900 if you want to splurge and get HQ materials, but that isn't even necessary). And you can always just buy the materials or get them from a friend.

Also Eso gear is job-specific meaning you can't reuse it for a second job.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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Is 220 crafting gear still locked behind specialists? I'm wondering if a full set of carbonweave with some okay right side melds with i180/170 main and offhand can reasonably HQ it.

brokenknee
Aug 3, 2014

Well it looks like all the tickets for Fanfest sold out last night. Grats to those who got in, rip to those who don't.


That said, where will the goon meetup be?

Vil
Sep 10, 2011

Specialist lock is always for (some of) the most recent patch's recipes only. Anything from previous patches gets the specialist lock removed at the same time as the new recipes are added, so 220 gear can now be made by anyone regardless of specialization.

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.

seiferguy posted:

Is 220 crafting gear still locked behind specialists? I'm wondering if a full set of carbonweave with some okay right side melds with i180/170 main and offhand can reasonably HQ it.

All the 3.2 spec locked stuff is now free for anyone to make, and if you can make 3* stuff at all, you can easily HQ it.

kzin602
May 14, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Vil posted:

Yeah, I don't really envy fresh tanks in max level content. Even if they know what they're doing and didn't just derp their way to 60 through fates or something, the gear differential would be pretty drat painful at first.

An existing player leveling a tank alt can get around that by just doing things on their main job until they've geared the tank well enough, but a new player leveling a tank as their first main doesn't have that luxury.

I'm only 52, have not unlocked Heavensward and only so far have a couple pieces of Magitech gear. As a paladin people rip aggro from me all the time because of the ilevel disparity. Dps classes have as much of a responsibility to watch aggro as anybody else so I don't get too stressed if they decide they want to tank.

Failboattootoot
Feb 6, 2011

Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

kzin602 posted:

I'm only 52, have not unlocked Heavensward and only so far have a couple pieces of Magitech gear. As a paladin people rip aggro from me all the time because of the ilevel disparity. Dps classes have as much of a responsibility to watch aggro as anybody else so I don't get too stressed if they decide they want to tank.

This is... sort of the wrong attitude to have. I mean it's good to not get worked up over ilvl disparity. There is nothing that you can really do about that.

But one, dps don't give a poo poo. Unless you're raiding, nothing hits hard enough to justify throttling dps and I guarantee you everyone else would rather step all over your toes than slow down for even 1 second. Secondly, you actually shouldn't be losing threat. You should have a 110 or 115 weapon(I forget which), either given to you in quests or a friend should have crafted you one/bought you one from the vendor in Ishgard/pulled one from the fc chest if on excalibur. Unless you've hit 2.4 content, any of the other content you are doing has almost assuredly been level capped down to 110 anyway, at which point you are on equal ground with dps and should be having almost no problem holding hate, even if both dps pick different targets.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

It should never be the dps's responsibility to do less damage so that the tank can hold threat. It shouldn't even be a consideration.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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If you're losing threat to DPS, get yourself a better weapon / gear. Or figure out what you're doing wrong. Holding threat in this game is pretty drat easy unless you're in i49 gear or something.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
You might either not be trying to do DPS or trying too hard to do DPS at the expense of your enmity combo or your AoE enmity ability. I can't prove either of these things, obviously, but think about your playstyle a bit!

Kuvo
Oct 27, 2008

Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!
Fun Shoe
oh ya its a new patch i wonder what the boulder bros are up to...



:sweatdrop:

TheShadowAvatar
Nov 25, 2004

Ain't Nothing But A Family Thing

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

FSH: It levels like crafters. Buy a bunch of fish and spam leves and you'll be level 50, then spam collectibles to 60. Simple.

MIN and BTN: Do exclusively evaluation leves (card contains a girl with flowers or a miqo'te fishing) and grind that poo poo. ALWAYS have your FC gathering exp bonus and a consumable bonus on. It really helps to have a level 60 gatherer (FSH) so you can spend blue scrip and get the best consumable EXP boosters, because the blue scrip boosters have a huge exp multiplier and at low levels there's no way you'll ever hit the exp limit before the time runs out.

Past level 50, spam collectibles. You will become very familiar with old world figs and yellow copper ore.

A few pages back but the only thing I'd add is to gather yournquest items before you hit the quest level. Running around trying to get the HQ items will net you a bit of xp

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

I wish that I could play FFXIV and Stellaris simultaneously. #firstworldproblems

kzin602 posted:

I'm only 52, have not unlocked Heavensward and only so far have a couple pieces of Magitech gear. As a paladin people rip aggro from me all the time because of the ilevel disparity. Dps classes have as much of a responsibility to watch aggro as anybody else so I don't get too stressed if they decide they want to tank.

learn2tank

Skaw
Aug 5, 2004

SwissArmyDruid posted:

BRDs who stayed the course, what are your opinions on the buffs? I'm considering farming up a bow and going back for a bit, since MCH/BRD equipment is shared this tier.

they're pretty good, and yeah I find myself using paeon and ballad a tiny bit more often because I'm not begrudgingly giving up almost 2 Wanderer's casts to use them and have battle voice more readily available.

Skaw fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jun 22, 2016

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

kzin602 posted:

I'm only 52, have not unlocked Heavensward and only so far have a couple pieces of Magitech gear. As a paladin people rip aggro from me all the time because of the ilevel disparity. Dps classes have as much of a responsibility to watch aggro as anybody else so I don't get too stressed if they decide they want to tank.

No you just need better gear and if you're 52 you should be able to get the crafted i115(?) stuff for dirt cheap if there isn't a pile of it being held by anyone in your FC for newbies. Or announce you have coil newbie bonuses and get a carry through T1-13 and maybe pickup some i130 drops in the process of finishing that cool story, which will also give you a lot of poetics for i120 stuff that you can upgrade. If your gear is bad not only does it mean you can't keep threat but if your gear's bad enough you might get blown up by tankbusters unless you burn extra CDs.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Evil Fluffy posted:

No you just need better gear and if you're 52 you should be able to get the crafted i115(?) stuff for dirt cheap if there isn't a pile of it being held by anyone in your FC for newbies. Or announce you have coil newbie bonuses and get a carry through T1-13 and maybe pickup some i130 drops in the process of finishing that cool story, which will also give you a lot of poetics for i120 stuff that you can upgrade. If your gear is bad not only does it mean you can't keep threat but if your gear's bad enough you might get blown up by tankbusters unless you burn extra CDs.

To add to this, the 2.x MSQs do a pretty good job in providing you with gear for your character. By 2.5 I had a full set of ilvl 110 gear without getting any goon help or spending any Poetics

kzin602
May 14, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Evil Fluffy posted:

No you just need better gear and if you're 52 you should be able to get the crafted i115(?) stuff for dirt cheap if there isn't a pile of it being held by anyone in your FC for newbies. Or announce you have coil newbie bonuses and get a carry through T1-13 and maybe pickup some i130 drops in the process of finishing that cool story, which will also give you a lot of poetics for i120 stuff that you can upgrade. If your gear is bad not only does it mean you can't keep threat but if your gear's bad enough you might get blown up by tankbusters unless you burn extra CDs.

I've been doing Rock the Castrum and The Ultimate Weapon in queues to get poetics so I have a full set of the magitech il120 stuff. I'm about halfway there so far. Also going back and forth with the main scenario storyline poo poo. If there's a better way, I'd be happy to hear it. I just unlocked Crystal Tower, but I think I need to complete the Main Scenario up to 3.0 to do Coil?

I don't get stressed because in most content they burn poo poo down so fast it does not matter. Of course I hold bosses, but if the dps has the trash down a quarter before i get a halone combo off then I know it's going to be okay. I didn't mean to come across as somebody who just lets dps/healers die.

I always held stuff when I was playing around 2.2. I took a long break and just came back a week ago and suddenly found myself unable to keep up when I was doing the levelling roulette with a party full of people who had level 60 gear at an item level that didn't even exist when I last played. I did stress it but then realized that every is so overgeared it does not matter.

kzin602 fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jun 22, 2016

FutureCop
Jun 7, 2011

Have you heard of Fermat's principle?
Just want to clarify something to see if I'm going crazy since it is new to me: I'm trying out gathering collectibles as a miner and it seems like all guides I can find say things like 'collect multiple low level ones at once instead of trying to get a single high quality one', but, to my knowledge, when I try that I see that you can only have a single collectible of any given type at a time (as in, they don't stack). I'm not seeing any note for collectibles no longer stacking in the patch notes anywhere, so I'm unsure what the situation is. Was it that before, collectibles used to stack, but now they no longer do and the guides are simply outdated? Or is it perhaps that only certain collectibles can/can't be stacked, maybe ones that are too high level for me?

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



FutureCop posted:

Just want to clarify something to see if I'm going crazy since it is new to me: I'm trying out gathering collectibles as a miner and it seems like all guides I can find say things like 'collect multiple low level ones at once instead of trying to get a single high quality one', but, to my knowledge, when I try that I see that you can only have a single collectible of any given type at a time (as in, they don't stack). I'm not seeing any note for collectibles no longer stacking in the patch notes anywhere, so I'm unsure what the situation is. Was it that before, collectibles used to stack, but now they no longer do and the guides are simply outdated? Or is it perhaps that only certain collectibles can/can't be stacked, maybe ones that are too high level for me?
Each individual thing you collect takes up one inventory slot. They're not Unique, you can have more than one of them. You just don't have a stack of them.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

kzin602 posted:

I've been doing Rock the Castrum and The Ultimate Weapon in queues to get poetics so I have a full set of the magitech il120 stuff. I'm about halfway there so far. Also going back and forth with the main scenario storyline poo poo. If there's a better way, I'd be happy to hear it. I just unlocked Crystal Tower, but I think I need to complete the Main Scenario up to 3.0 to do Coil?

I don't get stressed because in most content they burn poo poo down so fast it does not matter. Of course I hold bosses, but if the dps has the trash down a quarter before i get a halone combo off then I know it's going to be okay. I didn't mean to come across as somebody who just lets dps/healers die.

I always held stuff when I was playing around 2.2. I took a long break and just came back a week ago and suddenly found myself unable to keep up when I was doing the levelling roulette with a party full of people who had level 60 gear at an item level that didn't even exist when I last played. I did stress it but then realized that every is so overgeared it does not matter.

Coil unlocks after 2.0, though maybe second/final coil have later requirements, but IDK for sure. You can run BCOB at the end of 2.0 at the very least. Once you get through the first two parts of crystal tower and unlock World of Darkness just need on everything that drops for your class and on all the oils/sands/tomestones since you can use the tomestone for a i120 weapon and then upgrade it to 130.

Honestly though, just getting a HQ set of the i115 crafted gear is plenty (though an upgraded ironworks weapon is something worth grabbing). You definitely don't need to delay playing HW to get poetics/dreadwyrm gear though.

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time

FutureCop posted:

Just want to clarify something to see if I'm going crazy since it is new to me: I'm trying out gathering collectibles as a miner and it seems like all guides I can find say things like 'collect multiple low level ones at once instead of trying to get a single high quality one', but, to my knowledge, when I try that I see that you can only have a single collectible of any given type at a time (as in, they don't stack). I'm not seeing any note for collectibles no longer stacking in the patch notes anywhere, so I'm unsure what the situation is. Was it that before, collectibles used to stack, but now they no longer do and the guides are simply outdated? Or is it perhaps that only certain collectibles can/can't be stacked, maybe ones that are too high level for me?
You're misunderstanding. It's saying that, rather than try to maximize collectability and collect just one, it's more exp efficient to just meet the collectibility minimum and then gather as many as possible. Collectibles can never be stacked, but you can have multiples, they just each take up an inventory slot.

e: The reason collectible items don't stack is that each one has a unique collectibility value.

Panic! at Nabisco fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jun 22, 2016

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Fister Roboto posted:

It should never be the dps's responsibility to do less damage so that the tank can hold threat. It shouldn't even be a consideration.

The singular, only time this is the DPS's responsibility is if there's an Important Mechanic that needs to happen and they're being exceptionally dumb trying to squeeze out a bit more DPS when by them doing so everyone dies.

Gear disparity happens, use enmity combo's/offensive CD's more when it does.

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

I'm hanging around excal like a bad penny, lucky enough to not get pruned out of the linkshell. Party Finder looks less active than it was back when I made this character right after heavensward, is it just quiet on weeknights?
e: Yeah I know it's stupid to think it'll be as active as right after patch, but there's less going on than Jenova.

Liver Disaster fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jun 22, 2016

Stalins Moustache
Dec 31, 2012

~~**I'm Italian!**~~
So I'm a level 36 ninja, and while I guess I'm having fun I've been finding the story quests way too uninteresting and frankly boring. I just wanna smash and kill stuff, but then the combat feels dreadfully boring and unrewarding even though I am actively using those flashy thunder and fire attacks I cant for my life remember the name of that are outside the GCD. My friends I play with tell me I should keep at it because the combat gets much better at later levels, but at this point I've only got 3 days left on my initial 'free' 30 days and I'm not sure if I wanna resub.

I've a lot of playtime in mmos, such as Lotro, WoW, SwTOR and so on but I've a hard time finding reasons why I should keep with FFXIV. Convince me, goons. Why is this game better than other MMOs out there? I see this game being defended and promoted so much in other threads if criticized.

Failboattootoot
Feb 6, 2011

Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

Stalins Moustache posted:

So I'm a level 36 ninja, and while I guess I'm having fun I've been finding the story quests way too uninteresting and frankly boring. I just wanna smash and kill stuff, but then the combat feels dreadfully boring and unrewarding even though I am actively using those flashy thunder and fire attacks I cant for my life remember the name of that are outside the GCD. My friends I play with tell me I should keep at it because the combat gets much better at later levels, but at this point I've only got 3 days left on my initial 'free' 30 days and I'm not sure if I wanna resub.

I've a lot of playtime in mmos, such as Lotro, WoW, SwTOR and so on but I've a hard time finding reasons why I should keep with FFXIV. Convince me, goons. Why is this game better than other MMOs out there? I see this game being defended and promoted so much in other threads if criticized.

36 is one of the low points of the game. Things will pick up and get pretty good in your immediate future.

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

Yeah that's one of the two parts that are just blah story wise but the rest is very good. This game also hands out skills veeeeeeeery slow compared to most MMOs far as giving you all the tools you gotta juggle at end game, so slug through it for a bit.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Stalins Moustache posted:

So I'm a level 36 ninja, and while I guess I'm having fun I've been finding the story quests way too uninteresting and frankly boring. I just wanna smash and kill stuff, but then the combat feels dreadfully boring and unrewarding even though I am actively using those flashy thunder and fire attacks I cant for my life remember the name of that are outside the GCD. My friends I play with tell me I should keep at it because the combat gets much better at later levels, but at this point I've only got 3 days left on my initial 'free' 30 days and I'm not sure if I wanna resub.

I've a lot of playtime in mmos, such as Lotro, WoW, SwTOR and so on but I've a hard time finding reasons why I should keep with FFXIV. Convince me, goons. Why is this game better than other MMOs out there? I see this game being defended and promoted so much in other threads if criticized.

Unparalleled content production and a ton of attention to detail are the main draws of FF14. For an MMO veteran the levelling path to 50 is gonna be kind of painful because FF14 1-50 is deliberately paced as a tutorial to MMOs. You get your abilities and the complexity of your class opens up very gradually because the devs are working off the assumption that a fair bit of their audience has flat out never played a hotbar MMO before. By 50 it's as complex as anything else out there, though I know some people never really get over the GCD for whatever reason.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Stalins Moustache posted:

So I'm a level 36 ninja, and while I guess I'm having fun I've been finding the story quests way too uninteresting and frankly boring. I just wanna smash and kill stuff, but then the combat feels dreadfully boring and unrewarding even though I am actively using those flashy thunder and fire attacks I cant for my life remember the name of that are outside the GCD. My friends I play with tell me I should keep at it because the combat gets much better at later levels, but at this point I've only got 3 days left on my initial 'free' 30 days and I'm not sure if I wanna resub.

I've a lot of playtime in mmos, such as Lotro, WoW, SwTOR and so on but I've a hard time finding reasons why I should keep with FFXIV. Convince me, goons. Why is this game better than other MMOs out there? I see this game being defended and promoted so much in other threads if criticized.

Never played LOTRO but I did play SWTOR and some 10 years of WoW.

The story gets considerably more interesting later on, there are lots of features in this game other than raiding for people who are burned out of raiding. A lot of actual game features are unlocked as you proceed in the main story and you don't get to know them beforehand, so the game might seem like a blank wow-clone when you're starting.

Also the content production and patch activity is incredible. The patches add more features and polish rather than just balancing or adding new raids/dungeons (which they do too). There was only one bad period without new content since I started and the devs said that it was because they were taking a rest, so it wasn't some miscalculated schedule like what happens with WoW every time between expansions.

This game doesn't hit some of the highs that WoW does/did in the places that WoW did good, but it hits a lot of highs in other places, some of which WoW never even attempted. Someone once said that FFXIV is where MMO veterans go to retire and honestly that's pretty much how it felt to me.

Like I said I'm not familiar with LOTRO but if you tell me what you particularly liked in SWTOR or WoW that kept you going I can give you a better idea of how this game fares later on.

Elentor fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jun 23, 2016

Griz
May 21, 2001


kzin602 posted:

I've been doing Rock the Castrum and The Ultimate Weapon in queues to get poetics so I have a full set of the magitech il120 stuff. I'm about halfway there so far. Also going back and forth with the main scenario storyline poo poo. If there's a better way, I'd be happy to hear it.

go unlock level 50 roulette, you'll probably finish gearing up before you get through all the dungeons.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Stalins Moustache posted:

I've a lot of playtime in mmos, such as Lotro, WoW, SwTOR and so on but I've a hard time finding reasons why I should keep with FFXIV. Convince me, goons. Why is this game better than other MMOs out there? I see this game being defended and promoted so much in other threads if criticized.

To use those three MMO's you listed, here's what FFXIV does better than them:
Lotro: You can be every class on a single character, gathering nodes are instanced per player and there's tangible reason to go back to content at higher levels rather than low (without completely steamrolling that content.)
WoW: Whereas the story in WoW often revolves around the NPC's, in FFXIV it revolves around you. You are the star of the show and the game goes out of it's way to stress that. Also I like the slower GCD.
SwTOR: Doesn't sacrifice everything for the sake of story, group content is both way more varied and interesting (you're not just fighting 3-5 guys over and over again and all the bosses differ some things up.)

Captain Oblivious posted:

Unparalleled content production and a ton of attention to detail are the main draws of FF14.
The Story for some. Sure it's FF as heck but it does some things right and some things wrong (DRK's being fueled by the annoyance at having to do everyone's sidequest for them shows they can at least lampshade this in awesome ways.)
Also the ability to do everything on a single character. That's a big selling point there for people who are sick of alt-itis.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If you don't like the slower GCD you can play a Dragoon and have an off-GCD rotation to fill in the gaps.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Elentor posted:

If you don't like the slower GCD you can play a Dragoon and have an off-GCD rotation to fill in the gaps.

DRG is so fun with a controller for this reason.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames
The only thing LOTRO does better than FFXIV is the music system.

Failboattootoot
Feb 6, 2011

Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

Elentor posted:

If you don't like the slower GCD you can play a Dragoon and have an off-GCD rotation to fill in the gaps.

Eh they are already a nin, the ogcd usage is very similar. 11 vs. 11 in a standard opener in fact.

Elentor
Dec 14, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Failboattootoot posted:

Eh they are already a nin, the ogcd usage is very similar. 11 vs. 11 in a standard opener in fact.

Didn't know that, cool.

Cirina
Feb 15, 2013

Operation complete.

Elentor posted:

If you don't like the slower GCD you can play a Dragoon and have an off-GCD rotation to fill in the gaps.

Please don't tell someone to start leveling dragoon when they're uncertain about the game and only have a few days left on their sub. Speaking as a level 60 dragoon, pre-30 it's incredibly boring to play.

Ignimbrite
Jan 5, 2010

BALLS BALLS BALLS
Dinosaur Gum
Actual RL days of spamming heavy thrust and impulse drive.

Fat and Useless
Sep 3, 2011

Not Thin and Useful

I want to get back in to this but $40 for Heavensward is killing that urge really fast. How often does it pop up on sale?

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Jan 9, 2013




Is FFGoons not playing nice with the updated forums code? I have the password as literally every part of my profile and it's still not finding it.

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