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jwh posted:Vintage 30s have a very pronounced upper midrange that can be very fatiguing. I don't particularly like them by themselves- but they can sound good paired with G12H-75 Creambacks or G12H30s. This is a popular combination for a lot of cabinet builders. The Mesa V30s have a smoother high end than the regular ones. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:While the Orange talk is going on I have a question: My setup is an OR15 into a PPC212C. I love it and can't imagine any better combo. It is true that the V30s have a fierce high mid punch to them but it's easily adjusted via EQ and even with me using an Earthquaker Arrows as an always on boost it doesn't bother me. For me the cab voicing simply adds to the innate clarity of the Orange.
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muike posted:Speaking of speakers, anyone try Swamp Thangs? Not that one, but I like the Legend 1258 I have and have played amps with the Cannabis Rex in them and those are very good. Eminence does good stuff without being as expensive as some others.
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muike posted:Speaking of speakers, anyone try Swamp Thangs? I have a 2x12 with one and a Texas Heat. It's a decent combo; the Swamp Thang is more mid-scooped and the Texas Heat has more midrange.
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I thought they were supposed to be more low-mid focused rather than scooped but I was probably drinking the last time I decided learning about speakers was cool
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They have a strong peak around 2.5khz that adds presence but it kinda sounds scooped relative to the Texas Heat. Oddly enough they have very similar response curves.
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muike posted:Speaking of speakers, anyone try Swamp Thangs? I use swamp thangs in a smallish closed back 2x12 I made. They've got a lot of low end and thump, and I like their cleans a ton. They definitely feel different to me than kind of your classic "rock guitar speaker" to me, which I guess is a vintage 30, like they're "cleaner" sounding almost. I don't know if I'd describe them as scooped, necessarily, but they don't feel particularly "open". For high gain stuff, I'd probably use bullshit words like "thumpy" to describe rhythm, and "creamy" to describe leads, on my amp IMO they show off vibrato really well. I think if I use them for another build I'll probably mix them with a cv75 or a man o' war or something trebbly/middy like that. I do like them though. They're loud as hell, and cut through rehearsals just fine. e: this guy doesn't play anything clean, but he does a really good eminence speaker comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IbKZSxnM0Y Octatonic fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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So I made the "mistake" of watching some gear videos over the weekend and started GASing pretty hard over those newish Fender Bassbreakers. I, like any man of taste, covet a cranked Plexi tone but there realistically is really no room in my life for a JTM45 that I'll never be able to crank up high enough to hit th sweet spot. Have any of you had a chance to checkout the Bassbreaker 45 watt head/combo? How well does that power scaling knob manage the amp? I'm not looking for a middle-of-the-night amp but just something I can get that cooking power tube sound from at a reasonable (nonpainful, no complaints from the neighbors) volume. My understanding of the way that amp works is that I can dial that knob all the way down to 1 watt to get the driven plexi sound at sub-drummer level. Is that accurate? If not I may have to look at the 15 watt version instead (but I prefer to have something that could handle a small open-air gig). Making the trip this weekend to GC to try a few out and see how they sound. As a followup question, I currently have a 2x12 closed back Messa with V30s and I'd like to find a nice open back cab (1x12 probably) to contrast and expand my tonal options. Any particular recommendations?
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Bolange posted:So I made the "mistake" of watching some gear videos over the weekend and started GASing pretty hard over those newish Fender Bassbreakers. I, like any man of taste, covet a cranked Plexi tone but there realistically is really no room in my life for a JTM45 that I'll never be able to crank up high enough to hit th sweet spot. Have any of you had a chance to checkout the Bassbreaker 45 watt head/combo? How well does that power scaling knob manage the amp? I'm not looking for a middle-of-the-night amp but just something I can get that cooking power tube sound from at a reasonable (nonpainful, no complaints from the neighbors) volume. My understanding of the way that amp works is that I can dial that knob all the way down to 1 watt to get the driven plexi sound at sub-drummer level. Is that accurate? If not I may have to look at the 15 watt version instead (but I prefer to have something that could handle a small open-air gig). I haven't been able to find a bassbreaker schematic yet, which is disappointing, because i'm curious how they did the power scaling as well. as for 1x12 open back cabinets, Tone Tubby makes nice cabinets. Also the Traynor dark horse 1x12 has a removable back panel which is a nice idea. I would just get an unloaded Mojotone cab, and then put a ceramic Jensen in there, personally: http://www.mojotone.com/Cabinets_x/Cabinets_xx/Mojotone-Guitar-Amplifier-Speaker-Extension-Cabinet I really like the ceramic Jensens for the money.
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Bolange posted:So I made the "mistake" of watching some gear videos over the weekend and started GASing pretty hard over those newish Fender Bassbreakers. I, like any man of taste, covet a cranked Plexi tone but there realistically is really no room in my life for a JTM45 that I'll never be able to crank up high enough to hit th sweet spot. Have any of you had a chance to checkout the Bassbreaker 45 watt head/combo? How well does that power scaling knob manage the amp? I'm not looking for a middle-of-the-night amp but just something I can get that cooking power tube sound from at a reasonable (nonpainful, no complaints from the neighbors) volume. My understanding of the way that amp works is that I can dial that knob all the way down to 1 watt to get the driven plexi sound at sub-drummer level. Is that accurate? If not I may have to look at the 15 watt version instead (but I prefer to have something that could handle a small open-air gig). This may not matter to you, but I am pretty sure only the 15 watt versions (combo and head) have an FX loop. I also think that the 15 watt does not have any form of power scaling beyond the master volume. However, my reading leads me to believe that the master volume gives more "quiet" volume than a blues junior, so its not already too loud for basic apartment as soon as you get any sound out of the master volume. I have been meaning to get to the store to look at it closer, but I haven' yet. Sounds like a great amp, and I have read a lot of positive things about it.
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Gripen5 posted:This may not matter to you, but I am pretty sure only the 15 watt versions (combo and head) have an FX loop. I also think that the 15 watt does not have any form of power scaling beyond the master volume. However, my reading leads me to believe that the master volume gives more "quiet" volume than a blues junior, so its not already too loud for basic apartment as soon as you get any sound out of the master volume. Right, the 15 doesn't have power scaling--it has 3 gain stages/structures (not foot switchable) and a master volume. I assume the fx loop comes after those gain stages but the 45 (by my understanding) gets it's gain from the power tubes mostly so having an fx loop isn't much different from just running everything into the front of the amp. I heard the same about the volume on the 15 having more usable quiet volume (unlike the HRD I used to have which went from "Is this thing on?" to a jet landing in the room with about 1 degree of change on the volume knob). The 45 is definitely the one I'd favor but if the power scaling is garbage then I'd just as soon get a JTM45...
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Schpyder posted:The PPC212C will probably be closer, as it's closed-back like the 1960A, but both the open and closed PPC212s are loaded with Vintage 30s, where the 1960A has G12T-75s, so yes, it'll sound somewhat different. How exactly I couldn't tell you, maybe see if you can find someplace with both the OR15 and both cabs in stock and try them out to see how you like them? jwh posted:Vintage 30s have a very pronounced upper midrange that can be very fatiguing. I don't particularly like them by themselves- but they can sound good paired with G12H-75 Creambacks or G12H30s. This is a popular combination for a lot of cabinet builders. Kilometers Davis posted:My setup is an OR15 into a PPC212C. I love it and can't imagine any better combo. It is true that the V30s have a fierce high mid punch to them but it's easily adjusted via EQ and even with me using an Earthquaker Arrows as an always on boost it doesn't bother me. For me the cab voicing simply adds to the innate clarity of the Orange. Thanks for the feedback guys!  I do appreciate it.
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jwh posted:I would just get an unloaded Mojotone cab, and then put a ceramic Jensen in there, personally: http://www.mojotone.com/Cabinets_x/Cabinets_xx/Mojotone-Guitar-Amplifier-Speaker-Extension-Cabinet Wow, thanks for the lead there! Those guys are actually not too far down the road. I looked over their site and found exactly what I'm looking for (without knowing it even!) http://www.mojotone.com/Cabinets_x/Cabinets_xx/Mojotone-Angled-Guitar-Amplifier-Speaker-Extension-Cabinet. I'll need to do some research into specific speakers to load I guess (keeping your Jensen rec in mind). I'd imagine the slightly odd shape shouldn't make the cab sound too oddly since it's open back--that comes way more down the particular speaker, right?
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Thanks for the feedback guys!  The thing I'm actually mad about is that I laughed at this. 
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Mojotone's pretty good, but I got some cane weave grill cloth for a cab a couple years back from them and it smelled like pussy. Like you'd get a big whiff of it from a few feet away.
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Bolange posted:Wow, thanks for the lead there! Those guys are actually not too far down the road. I looked over their site and found exactly what I'm looking for (without knowing it even!) http://www.mojotone.com/Cabinets_x/Cabinets_xx/Mojotone-Angled-Guitar-Amplifier-Speaker-Extension-Cabinet. I'll need to do some research into specific speakers to load I guess (keeping your Jensen rec in mind). I'd imagine the slightly odd shape shouldn't make the cab sound too oddly since it's open back--that comes way more down the particular speaker, right? With that much of the back open, I'm sure it'll sound fine.
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comes along bort posted:Mojotone's pretty good, but I got some cane weave grill cloth for a cab a couple years back from them and it smelled like pussy. Like you'd get a big whiff of it from a few feet away. Hell fuckin yea just like it should baby 
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The band broke up, and I'm sitting in with a shoegaze thing for a while, so my clean to the moon amp is going to be good for a while. But on an interesting note, I borrowed this band's Bassman 70 head for a rehearsal and I couldn't stand it. I've played other Bassmans before, and liked them, but this one was just sort of tinny and awful. Part of that was the old Gibson 2x12 it was running through, I'm sure, but the amp just didn't have any character. What gives?
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Bassman 70s are after a change to the output stage, I believe, which made them suck. It was an attempt to make them better bass amps I think, but they wound up sterile and awful for the most part. Or so I've heard; my Bassmans are blackface and early silverface, don't have that change, and don't suck.
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Another speaker question--If I were going to replace the 12" speaker in Orange amp for the purposes of playing a Rhodes through it, does anyone have a speaker recommendation?
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Gorgar posted:Bassman 70s are after a change to the output stage, I believe, which made them suck. It was an attempt to make them better bass amps I think, but they wound up sterile and awful for the most part. Or so I've heard; my Bassmans are blackface and early silverface, don't have that change, and don't suck. Eh, it's true that the Bassman 70 has an ultralinear output transformer, but they don't sound 'bad' necessarily, just different. There are other oddities in the circuit, though, such as an unusual power tube bias balance, and a long tail pair phase inverter that's provided more voltage and a different bias than in a blackface Twin, for example. You could swap out the phase inverter plate resistors with 68k instead, and replace the phase inverter cathode bias resistor with a 270 ohm resistor to get into blackface Twin territory, but I wouldn't bother. What I would do is take out the master volume. I happen to like the Ultralinear Fenders. One of the best sounding Twins I've ever heard is a '81 UL Twin with ceramic Jensens. The later Fender stuff gets a bad rap (pre-1983), but they can sound really good.
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jwh posted:The later Fender stuff gets a bad rap (pre-1983), but they can sound really good.
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Chiming in to say I have to agree, the Ultralinear Fender amps can be great. They're different for sure, but they have the potential to be wonderful. I have a theory that like the guitars, as time went on post-CBS some amps were dogs and some are flat-out amazing. Maybe it's the way they aged individually, maybe it's the sloppy lead dressing and how it interacts with the ground noise and preamp signal. I don't know, life's mysteries. I have a circa early 80's transitional Blackface Pro Reverb in the shop right now -- replaced some worn preamp tubes, finished re-capping the amp after somebody stopped short of doing the bias and cathode bypass caps. Re-biased, cleaned it up; before it sounded "ok", but now it is just jaw-dropping. Great, great amp.
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Looking for some amp advice. My main amp currently is a 6505 212 combo which while I love how it sounds, it is simply bloody heavy and really obtuse to move around, and I just really need something smaller. I''m considering selling the combo and just getting a 6505 head, but I'm also eyeballing picking up an Orange Dark Terror at the moment since they go used for about 3--400 it seems. Given that it's only 15w I'm a bit worried about how well it'd perform in a live setting though, and have seen heavily mixed responses with regards to if it can or can not perform well enough in such a setting. Musically I mostly play a variety of grindcore, sludge, death, black, etc and use an HM2 for that Swedish chainsaw effect. I'm aware the HM2 tone itself is basically going to be the same regardless of what I'm running it through, but I'm still looking for any thoughts or advice.
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Killsion posted:Looking for some amp advice. My main amp currently is a 6505 212 combo which while I love how it sounds, it is simply bloody heavy and really obtuse to move around, and I just really need something smaller. I''m considering selling the combo and just getting a 6505 head, but I'm also eyeballing picking up an Orange Dark Terror at the moment since they go used for about 3--400 it seems. Given that it's only 15w I'm a bit worried about how well it'd perform in a live setting though, and have seen heavily mixed responses with regards to if it can or can not perform well enough in such a setting. I Think if you're playing chainsaw death grind metal, you probably don't need the headroom that a bigger amp provides. 15 watts is nearly half as loud as 100 watts, after all, and anywhere where you'd really be cranking the 6505 will be micing your cab anyway. If you like the orange sound (as opposed to what you're getting with the 5150 sound), go for it. Personally, I like big, tight heavy amps. I've got a lot like what you had, though I moved the head into its own enclosure recently, for similar reasons, and I'm still very happy with it. I use an attenuator for smaller venues. Octatonic fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Octatonic posted:I Think if you're playing chainsaw death grind metal, you probably don't need the headroom that a bigger amp provides. 15 watts is nearly half as loud as 100 watts, after all, and anywhere where you'd really be cranking the 6505 will be micing your cab anyway. If you like the orange sound (as opposed to what you're getting with the 5150 sound), go for it. Moving the head into it's own enclosure would probably be the simplest method, but also seems to have the most potential to go terribly wrong... I'm enjoying the simplicity of what I'm seeing/hearing from the Dark Terror, but there's none anywhere close I'd be able to try one out which is a definite bummer. There does however appear to be an OR15 at my local guitar center, so I just may drop by there later and give it a spin if it's still there. While not a DT I understand the OR15 can get in the same ballpark?
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The OR15 is a lot more classic Orange voiced than the Dark Terror. It still has boatloads of gain on tap, but the character is quite a bit different. It does sound great for sludge/doom stuff, although not quite up to black or death IMO. Still, give it a listen, it's a really nice amp for the price.
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In ridiculous pawn shop scores, I ended up getting an Orange TH30 head for 300. There were some burned-out tubes, but after replacing them, it works like a charm. Near as I can tell, the guy who priced it either mistook it for a similar-looking solid state amp or just didn't give a drat. The distortion channel is a bit meh, but the natural tune clipping on the clean channel is gorgeous. Either way, it's a fun amp. Going to start building a new speaker cabinet for it soon, because it's cheaper than buying a pre-built one and I can tailor it to my own preferences.
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Orange amps you say? 1150 watts this last tour, I think my ears are a little more hosed than when we left, but I think they sounded pretty good. Also we inspired 3 bands to kick out their bass player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQZOWteFNqc
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Pokey Araya posted:Orange amps you say? 1150 watts this last tour, I think my ears are a little more hosed than when we left, but I think they sounded pretty good. Also we inspired 3 bands to kick out their bass player. Holy loving poo poo, you guys! 
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That video is epic. Can I ask a tangentially related question? How do those lights work, and how do they know to change colors? Do they have a microphone or something that tells them when a new chord or something is played? I've always wondered....
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Captain Apollo posted:Can I ask a tangentially related question? Yeah it's called a dmx controller.
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Pokey Araya posted:Orange amps you say? 1150 watts this last tour, I think my ears are a little more hosed than when we left, but I think they sounded pretty good. Also we inspired 3 bands to kick out their bass player. My PC's (small 5.1) subwoofer just side walked halfway across the desk while I was watching this video. What kind of hearing protection do you need with that much volume to avoid longterm damage?
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The lights are controlled by a dmx controller, controlled by our merch/accountant/driving/womanizing dude. You can spot him with his hat down behind the drummer at 2:42. We bring our own lights to every show, and he makes it up as we go. It's the best way I've seen to do it, because we don't have to listen to a click track, and he speeds up and slows down with us, which will naturally happen from night to night. Hearing protection is the orange (lol) 38 db reducing earplugs you get from home depot. Most the time I don't use them when we play, but it's also not nearly as loud when your standing above the speakers, the crowd is what really gets hit. This tour we were giving away earplugs like candy. It was actually kinda funny because I would walk around before we played, and lots of people would scoff at me, "Earplugs? I'm heavy loving metal man!" but as soon as we put those amps on stage, or when we would sound check those people would come up and grab a few. Pro-tip, if you're in any band that plays bars, give the staff earplugs when you get there, usually good for a couple free beers/and or shots.
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I've just got a really nice 15 watt valve head that I like the sound of, am I right in thinking I can put a power amp between the head and the cab to get more volume? It makes a great sound but is a touch too quiet in a band setting
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Does the head have a line-out or FX loop? I don't know of any power amps than can handle speaker-level inputs, but that seems like some sort of oddball PA setup, and most places would just mic a small amp, I'd think.
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peter gabriel posted:I've just got a really nice 15 watt valve head that I like the sound of, am I right in thinking I can put a power amp between the head and the cab to get more volume? It makes a great sound but is a touch too quiet in a band setting You don't really want to do this- the power section of the tube head is a current amplifier driving a low impedance speaker load. A better option might be changing your cab, or changing the speakers to higher SPL speakers. What cab are you using?
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peter gabriel posted:I've just got a really nice 15 watt valve head that I like the sound of, am I right in thinking I can put a power amp between the head and the cab to get more volume? It makes a great sound but is a touch too quiet in a band setting As Schypyder said, you can use a separate power amp (as long as you have your amp has a safe load itself, through speakers or a load box of some sort) if you've got some manner of line out, either from an FX loop or a dedicated send, but, in terms of live sound reinforcement, there's absolutely no reason not to just mic up whatever small head or small cabinet that you like, if the sound is good. Theoretically, your 15 watt tube amp should put out enough power to be more than loud enough though. If you're having trouble with volume levels in rehearsal, that's a different question. Guitar cabs, especially closed back ones are very directional. Start by by tilting your cab up towards your head a bit, if you're having a hard time hearing yourself, but your bandmates can hear you okay. If that's not enough, can you consider an extension cabinet? Having more speakers, even with the same amount of power can drastically increase how loud you are as well. Or, maybe your band mates need to turn down? Maybe you should all save your ears a bit. In a worst-case scenario, ask your singer, should you have one, to share the PA with you, and bring an sm57 to rehearsal. Get good at micing yourself up. Octatonic fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Thanks all for the info. I have a main gigging amp, but this little thing sounds so sweet, it's a really basic little thing that overdrives naturally at a low volume, and I wanted to capture that if possible. I get what you are all saying and again, thanks for the info. I'll try a 4 x 12 cab and see how it does, it's not make or break to use the amp, we aren't a loud band as such - I just don't want to push the amp more than I am as I found a really sweet spot in its natural break up, I am just concerned it is a little low output. It's been a fun experiment anyway, and has shown me I really want a lower output but good valve head, I am thinking of getting a 30 watt if this doesn't work out. It does have a line out, and I am unsure what is in the cab, it's a 2 x 12 - I'll take the back off later. For home use it's absolutely perfect though, really lush.
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