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Crystal Geometry posted:It doesn't do damage so adcs don't buy it. You're correct. Merc Scimitar does plenty of damage. Didn't they nerf it a little while back because it was too good given its passive stats + active? I think there are a few situations where you can get away with not getting it, depending on your frontline and the champs you are up against but that's more of the exception than the rule. Even good positioning can't always stop a bloodrazor + full tank ww from jumping on you or a liss e-ing into the backline and ulting you or a flash ult from annie, etc etc. I mean if you are always super vigilant and have perfect positioning and full support/peel from your team then sure, but you aren't gonna find that in solo queue or anywhere really. QSS is really really good and you should never feel bad for building it.
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If your item active reaction time isn't good enough qss is actually a waste. for a lot of people i play with its that way.
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It kind of sucks to build it early because it's so much gold for no damage. It's not like we're all building 3k gold 100 ad bloodthirsters and a zeal and being basically strong enough anymore.
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Jun 23, 2016 01:32
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Who says Merc Scim is no damage? It's a fuckton of damage. It's the highest damage defensive item you could buy as an ADC.
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Jun 23, 2016 01:37
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Libertine posted:Who says Merc Scim is no damage? It's a fuckton of damage. It's the highest damage defensive item you could buy as an ADC. Death's Dance 
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Jun 23, 2016 01:38
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qss is 1300 gold for no combat stats, and odds are your dipshit pubbies aren't going to peel for you. so that's quite bad.
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Libertine posted:Who says Merc Scim is no damage? It's a fuckton of damage. It's the highest damage defensive item you could buy as an ADC. when people talk about building merc sim what they mean is building qss (1300 gold for no stats that matter) and then finishing merc sim like 10 minutes later maybe. Except probably not because they're falling behind the curve so they need a last whisper or something and then maybe later they get back to merc sim. And then it feelsbad because you're clogging your inventory with pick axes and vamp scepter instead of buying a bf or serrated dirk like an adult man would.
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Jun 23, 2016 01:47
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keven im not a man
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JuniperCake posted:Merc Scimitar does plenty of damage. Didn't they nerf it a little while back because it was too good given its passive stats + active? Uhh no you see I am highly skilled and instead of building a qss like a coward I can build more damage now and snowball on these scrubs. Sit back and enjoy the carr-*gets oneshot by enemy midlane*
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Crystal Geometry posted:Uhh no you see I am highly skilled and instead of building a qss like a coward I can build more damage now and snowball on these scrubs. Sit back and enjoy the carr-*gets oneshot by enemy midlane* Just as likely: I have a QSS now I can play aggresively. *cleanses Thresh hook* *steps into front line, gets one shot by Leblanc*
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Jun 23, 2016 02:38
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qss: the item that stops you from being one shot, apparently.
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Jun 23, 2016 02:40
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rabidsquid posted:qss: the item that stops you from being one shot, apparently. I dont adc, but I have hundreds of games on champs like lux, malzahar, veigar, etc. I can tell you that QSS makes adcs significantly tougher to kill. Not gonna save you from everything sure but I wouldn't undersell the value of the item. Not that you'd rush it but building it as your third or fourth major item after you buy your core stuff isn't a bad investment at all.
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Jun 23, 2016 03:01
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It depends on the match but unless you're playing an ADC with a solid power spike at 1-2 items, I don't often feel like I can afford to go for defensive items early. I'm desperately trying to hit a point where all the offensive items I'm buying finally hit that critical mass where people have to care about my damage. Maybe it's a perception thing and I'm reading it wrong, but the choice often feels like: A) Go balls out damage and hope I live long enough to hit things. B) Buy a defensive item and have a better chance at staying alive, but do not much. Obviously alive ADCs do more damage than dead ADCs, but I don't think gambling on surviving and hitting harder if you avoid being murdered is wrong.
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Every ADC in the game can go QSS>MS third after their two item spike core and they should if there's hard CC that can instantly eliminate them. It's built out of a BF Sword specifically so it doesn't slow you down significantly to buy one mid game. I've never felt held back by building one and I'm not sure why anyone else would. 2 core into QSS is an extremely common and often necessary build and MS can easily replace whatever other life steal item you wanted in your build because of how insanely useful the active is. I used to harp about LW all the time back in the day but I can't remember the last game I played that didn't have 1-2 ADCs on one team in it in the only roles that tanks can fill so I don't even know if armor busting is necessary in most solo queue games as long as all these fuckers keep picking Yasuo/Zed double solo lanes.
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Libertine posted:Every ADC in the game can go QSS>MS third after their two item spike core and they should if there's hard CC that can instantly eliminate them. It's built out of a BF Sword specifically so it doesn't slow you down significantly to buy one mid game. I've never felt held back by building one and I'm not sure why anyone else would. 2 core into QSS is an extremely common and often necessary build and MS can easily replace whatever other life steal item you wanted in your build because of how insanely useful the active is. Last Whisper sucks. Giving it more AD makes it suck less, but in a meta that tends to not have a big armor stacking guy or three it's like really middle of the pack in terms of slot efficiency (since against a typically one armor item dude you get like 30 effective armor pen).
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Crystal Geometry posted:It doesn't do damage so adcs don't buy it. You're correct. Finally, you'll notice MS is high up in Dravens list, so the best character in the game rocks it and so should you.
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Jun 23, 2016 05:29
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Opened my last mastery chest today, got....Dark Star Thresh! Shame I don't own Thresh; obviously I'll have to change that.
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Jun 23, 2016 05:34
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Merc scimitar doesn't build out of bf
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Freaksaus posted:I've mostly been playing ADC lately and was just looking through champion.gg to see if my item builds are still ok. I was kind of surprised not to qss/mercurial in almost any of the most common/highest win builds. I tend to build it 3rd or 4th item almost every game because there's always some horrible cc ability I want to be able to get out of. Am I putting too much value into the active? Neurolimal posted:Opened my last mastery chest today, got....Dark Star Thresh! Shame I don't own Thresh; obviously I'll have to change that.
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Libertine posted:No you are right. It's probably the strongest defensive/life steal item in an ADC build in my opinion. It's definitely something worthwhile to have by 3rd or 4th item depending on threat. If there's any game-ending hard CC (there should be at least one on the enemy team unless they are dumb) you want to have it. I think it's very under-built relative to it's value in solo queue. You see it a ton with a lot more priority in professional play. You shouldn't doubt your own thoughts on that matter in this one. It's much lower priority than it used to be after getting one AD nerf, a significant nerf to QSS, and ADC itemization shifting towards armor pen builds on several champions. The QSS changes mean that there are several assassins that will still easily burst you with it, and there are several others that it's completely useless against (say, Diana or Leblanc) and where Maw is still superior. In competitive there are also several hyper-mobile/safe ADCs that don't need to prioritize it nearly as highly as others (Ezreal, Caitlyn, Lucian, Sivir). I personally like the item but it's not as clear of a rush item as it used to be, and BT is still a quasi-defensive ADC item that has a lot of compelling aspects over it.
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Jun 23, 2016 09:49
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I wish Riot would go back and look at AD champs again and adjust items so there's a definite difference between "Early game AD who's strong after one item" and "Late game hard-scaling AD who can 1v5" because boy it's hard being an AD sometimes when there's always 3-5 people piling in bottom and there's so little you can do about it except retreat because most AD carries don't do enough damage until 3 items to compete against the burst mages or fighter junglers.
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Jun 23, 2016 09:51
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This is literally the free-est assist anyone has ever gotten http://plays.tv/video/576ba83f887c8f5093/tea-lizard-v2
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Jun 23, 2016 10:23
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Honestly this is probably why I like playing Zilean so much. Like, I love to bait people with my ult. That's great, sure. But cool guys do not watch explosions: http://plays.tv/video/576b94dad7e09c3298/tea-lizard?from=user edit: my friend said my micro is weird. is my micro weird??? rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 23, 2016 10:36
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rabidsquid posted:edit: my friend said my micro is weird. is my micro weird??? Someone speaking there has a mildly weird mic thing going on, yeah.
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Jun 23, 2016 10:52
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no, like mouse movements
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Jun 23, 2016 10:56
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You've swapped your plays.tv links around.
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Jun 23, 2016 11:02
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rabidsquid posted:no, like mouse movements i mean not really? I didn't know there was such a thing as weird mouse movements in league
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rabidsquid posted:edit: my friend said my micro is weird. is my micro weird??? It's okay. There are ways to compensate.
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Neurolimal posted:It's okay. There are ways to compensate. 
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TheAnomaly posted:Most ADC's are going to die whether they negate the cc that hits them or not, so most ADC's don't buy it . . . . That's interesting. Using QSS is essentially admission that you are out of position as an ADC.
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Jun 23, 2016 18:20
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Any singed men here? Teach me
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Jun 23, 2016 18:24
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Any singed men here? Teach me Ghost/TP, rod of ages, rylais, liandries, run around spamming laugh. Don't try to be cute with the whole "oh if i fling them into the goo they'll be rooted." and instead just use it to slow them and continue. Your early game will feel terrible.
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Mordekaiser in ARAM is the most miserable thing. Is there a reason that his shield has a targeting reticule when it will always just go to the closest ally instead of who you pick? I assume this is one of the many Morde details where they just halfassed a nerf, but it's really obnoxious and makes the movespeed aspect pretty pointless outside of laning. Between that, making the cone less "sticky", and giving his ult a gimmick that only works on one map, Morde feels kind of lame right now.
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I personally don't get get Merc because I'm bad at actives and like Death's Dance way too loving much. The passive and cooldown reduction feels more useful to me than the Cleanse anyway, unless they have something really atrocious like Warwick/Malzahar. I have a similar problem with Bloodthirster because the damage reduction feels more useful than the over-heal shield, especially as I tend to play adcs who deal physical damage with abilities which also gets healing with Death's Dance, the fact that they all have 75 ad makes me feel less bad about it too.
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I wasn't sure about her but Taliyah is starting to grow on me. Yeah she doesn't really have good CC or burst early on but her damage output at least is pretty sustainable with the buffs to her mana efficiency and is not insignificant. Her wall though, her loving wall. It does stuff like trap people in tiny corners of the jungle, split teams in half, close off entire lanes or dragon/baron pits. Her ult is just really fun and like bard ult can be absolutely amazing if you don't manage to kill your team with it. Worked ground movement speed is actually nice just for being a little more mobile and with a little awareness it's enough of a boost to kite and be safe in mid. I think with the latest quality of life changes she's become pretty playable if not a solid pick. Not terribly great vs hard all ins like mobile assassins, but she does pretty good vs most other match ups. That's my opinion anyways.
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Honestly, I've seen just as many walls save enemies as walls kill enemies. It's so telegraphed that a lot of teams can just straight up exploit it. She has decent mana efficiency (if you focus on her Q), but that's always been a pretty weak gimmick in a game with manaless bursters, blue buff, tear, catalyst, etc.
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JuniperCake posted:I wasn't sure about her but Taliyah is starting to grow on me. Yeah she doesn't really have good CC or burst early on but her damage output at least is pretty sustainable with the buffs to her mana efficiency and is not insignificant. Her wall though, her loving wall. It does stuff like trap people in tiny corners of the jungle, split teams in half, close off entire lanes or dragon/baron pits. Her ult is just really fun and like bard ult can be absolutely amazing if you don't manage to kill your team with it. Worked ground movement speed is actually nice just for being a little more mobile and with a little awareness it's enough of a boost to kite and be safe in mid. I think with the latest quality of life changes she's become pretty playable if not a solid pick. See also: Stockholm Syndrome
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Any singed men here? Teach me you want ghost/tp most of the time but ghost/ignite can be fun for pounding his few easy matchups (mostly jax and trynd) into the ground. poison minions, take their money. how you interact with (or ignore) the other laner changes drastically depending on the matchup but what never changes is the focus on farm. rush zzrot against hard matchups, rylais against all others. roa would be a good item in a vacuum but having either zoning/keepaway power from rylais or pushing power from zzrot ASAP is just too important. proxying is just catching enemy waves before they can meet yours, because of how poison trail works you can keep in constant motion to kite away from a significant amount of minion damage. if the enemy laner abandons your wave (therefore leaving your wave's vision) and isn't really low, 90% of the time they're getting in position to cut you off with their jungler (other 10% is TP ganks bot). with good awareness and wards you should manage to avoid most danger by pathing smartly or by executing. be prepared to lose horribly while you adjust as there is little in the way of reference points making learning the game knowledge you need as singed any easier. he's unique and that both makes him fun and a liability in inexperienced hands.
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gently caress those builds. Double snowball ring into corrupting potion into rylais.
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NTT posted:gently caress those builds. Double snowball ring into corrupting potion into rylais. Seems a bit spicy, def gonna try this tonight. Will report back. And thanks to everyone else for the tips, gonna take my self hatred to the next level with this boy.
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