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Hey, PJ, you mentioned answering some more questions. Uhm. If any of my questions about that ACE stuff are bothersome, or talking about it is too uncomfortable, please don't worry about answering. I know this forum makes fun of 'triggers' but they are a real thing outside of tumblr bullshit, so don't stress yourself for the sake of our dumb curiosity.  Feinne posted:I think we're seeing a great example of authoritarians who've completely abstracted themselves from any semblance of reality in Venezuela right now. They're ideologically incapable of acknowledging what is going on in the country right now so instead they're just loudly insisting that there is nothing wrong and IF by some chance there WAS something wrong clearly it's caused by their dastardly nemeses. People have had their phones taken for taking pictures and videos. Food and medical supplies have gotten scarce. Do you know if they're accepting shipments of those supplies from other countries, or are their leadership so far gone that they refuse aid?
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DicktheCat posted:Hey, PJ, you mentioned answering some more questions. Uhm. If any of my questions about that ACE stuff are bothersome, or talking about it is too uncomfortable, please don't worry about answering. I know this forum makes fun of 'triggers' but they are a real thing outside of tumblr bullshit, so don't stress yourself for the sake of our dumb curiosity. It isn't the most pleasant subject for me to write about to be quite honest, however I feel that I'm in a somewhat unique position to spread awareness about this particular subject. I'm hardly the first person to start putting out personal material about ACE , however there is a well-established pattern among the people who have tried to do so of eventually abandoning the project. For most, it simply becomes not worth it and they just move on with their lives. That said I am committed to eventually putting together a detailed analysis of ACE incorporating all the material I've uncovered over the years, as to my knowledge there really isn't anyone who's tied ACE to the Council for National Policy or connected the dots with regards to the purpose of ACE like I have. At the moment I'm working on a detailed effort post specifically about the origins and political connections of ACE, as well as how ACE as remained off the radar. It's taking me a little bit longer to do than I really expected because it is certainly not the most pleasant subject for me to write about. But at a certain point, I know I can handle the frustration and frankly it just doesn't matter how much it hurts anymore. Exposing ACE is more important to me, I just have to make sure that I pace myself.
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DicktheCat posted:Hey, PJ, you mentioned answering some more questions. Uhm. If any of my questions about that ACE stuff are bothersome, or talking about it is too uncomfortable, please don't worry about answering. I know this forum makes fun of 'triggers' but they are a real thing outside of tumblr bullshit, so don't stress yourself for the sake of our dumb curiosity. The government has pointedly refused any offer of aid, and I'm pretty sure their position is in fact that food and medicine are available and anyone who says otherwise is part of the CIA/Colombian axis trying to destabilize the country.
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Prester Jane posted:At the moment I'm working on a detailed effort post specifically about the origins and political connections of ACE, as well as how ACE as remained off the radar. It's taking me a little bit longer to do than I really expected because it is certainly not the most pleasant subject for me to write about. But at a certain point, I know I can handle the frustration and frankly it just doesn't matter how much it hurts anymore. Exposing ACE is more important to me, I just have to make sure that I pace myself. Please take extra care! Your emotional health is vastly more important than cranking out a tell-all expose. Take a lot of breaks!
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That ACE video doesn't look too bad on its surface. Curriculum tailored to each student and self-paced learning are pretty progressive. It's the practice that's terrible. It's what's in that tailored curriculum. It's how "discipline" is metered out. It's how favoritism plays into that individual treatment. It's how "self-paced" is used to bludgeon those who don't fit in. I can really see how a well-meaning Christian parent could get suck(er)ed into it. And that's scary.
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Prester Jane, would it be okay if I link your blog in a comment post on WeHuntedTheMammoth? I don't want to cause any undue duress on you, so I would like to know if it would be okay? Sorry if this is soinding like a silly question.
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Aleph Null posted:That ACE video doesn't look too bad on its surface. Curriculum tailored to each student and self-paced learning are pretty progressive. When I was in the Navy I learned electronics by using self-paced, Skinner style programmed learning. It was great for me, I probably got a year of education in a few months. Most people really struggled. I guess my point is that the general idea isn't too far out, especially for something that's not particularly creative in nature. But how the heck do you teach art or literature like that and get a good result?
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Annointed posted:Prester Jane, would it be okay if I link your blog in a comment post on WeHuntedTheMammoth? I don't want to cause any undue duress on you, so I would like to know if it would be okay? Sorry if this is soinding like a silly question. By all means go right ahead, I've started putting my work out on a public blog just so that I can get more exposure.
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Aleph Null posted:That ACE video doesn't look too bad on its surface. Curriculum tailored to each student and self-paced learning are pretty progressive.
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Halloween Jack posted:Even just taking the ACE commercial at face value--like Dr. Arbitrary, that looks like a good way to focus on exam-cram learning for a technical subject. But the people in the video are children, and they're meant to be doing this style of learning for years. Yeah, it sounds awful. I think I did a little bit of ACE as a small child, a lot of it seemed sorta familiar, I remember grading my own work and the style just seemed familiar. I remember getting homework assignments that were pages and pages of analog clocks, with instructions to color the big hand red, color the little hand yellow. What time is it? I found those assignments to be very unpleasant. Years later my mother confessed to me, now an adult, that she hated those assignments, was angry that they were being assigned and wanted so badly to tell me I didn't have to do them, but you know, she was a grown-up and kids are supposed to do their homework. She was also very frustrated at how much time they spent trying to teach me phonics when she'd already taught me to read. I distinctly remember doing a worksheet on the letter "c" which had a picture of a corn on the cob, and I had to make dozens of c's to represent the individual kernels. I only spent two years in that school so I don't think there was any permanent damage.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:When I was in the Navy I learned electronics by using self-paced, Skinner style programmed learning. You also weren't a child who needed to socialize and who was literally beaten for mistakes
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Literally The Worst posted:You also weren't a child who needed to socialize and who was literally beaten for mistakes Oh god, I'm not trying to defend ACE. I'm just talking about how there's a little peanut of a decent idea embedded in all the poo poo. I can totally see how they could really fool themselves and others by using techniques that can be effective in certain contexts. It's not going to produce good human beings though if that's all they do.
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The thing about ACE is that you are never actually learning anything. That's one of the most infuriating and frustrating parts, it is literally 98% busy work, and that is deliberate. You never engage with the material, you never actually get to do anything with what you learned, all you do is make sure you fill in the blanks in the correct way. That's literally all that ever matters with ACE. And as a student you spend the vast bulk of your school day sitting quietly at your own little cubicle filling out these meaningless worksheets. Your entire School career is composed of making sure you provide the exact correct answer in the exact correct way, you're never actually tested to see if you comprehend the material, and you are never actually pushed to do anything except to push yourself to fill out more of these worksheets in a given day. Here's an example of someone going through an entire PACE dedicated to ancient history. This is the equivalent of a freshman year history lesson, and a PACE is supposed to take about three weeks for a student to do, so everything reviewed in this video is supposed to be 3 weeks worth of learning. As you can see, the entire thing is just busy work with a couple of random factoids thrown in with barely any context to connect them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_2tCMlHEBI Although the system would still be atrocious if you are actually learning, at least you would be actually learning something and engaging your mind. All you are doing is the equivalent of filling out TPS reports, all day everyday. Well, sometimes you're in Bible study or sitting through two hour Hellfire and Brimstone sermons about how you won't get to grow up to be an adult because the end times are so imminent. Growing up me and my fellow students literally didn't talk about what we wanted to be when we grew up, we talked about what we would do if we grew up. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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As much as I despise the kind of fringe, typically Baptist Protestant Christianity to which this program seems designed to appeal, I can feel sorry for some of the parents who would be taken in by it. To people who barely received any education themselves, it looks so professional and adult! Look, the girls are wearing nice dresses and the boys are wearing ties! Just like in big-city fancy office jobs that pay lots of money! Pardon me, I'm out of ouzo.
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Halloween Jack posted:As much as I despise the kind of fringe, typically Baptist Protestant Christianity to which this program seems designed to appeal, I can feel sorry for some of the parents who would be taken in by it. To people who barely received any education themselves, it looks so professional and adult! Look, the girls are wearing nice dresses and the boys are wearing ties! Just like in big-city fancy office jobs that pay lots of money! There is honestly a subset of parents who get wrapped up in this system believing that it's a good system run by well-intentioned people. I've known a number of families who wound up involved in an ACE school for four or five years and it's become the sort of thing that the adults have had to apologize to their children for. I've known more than a few people who were honest-to-goodness salt-of-the-earth well-intentioned ribs who deeply regret getting wrapped up in the system. I've also known a few families for whom buzzwords related to ACE get spat out (rather than spoken) like they're the vilest form of profanity-once they've been out of the system for a few years. It quite literally functions as a cult recruitment tool and can make parents get involved in such horrific things that they're left with the difficult choice of either admitting to themselves and to their children that they've been participating in industrialized child abuse, or pushing themselves to buy into the system even more in an effort to avoid that kind of guilt.
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I literally would have died. I struggled with busywork as a kid in public school. As in, I literally ended up getting bad grades because I was such a stubborn little fucker that I flat out refused to do things like word searches and crosswords. I knew the vocab, and would ace the tests, but busywork drove me up a wall. Trite as it is, it makes me think of Orwell, or Bradbury. I can't remember if it was 1984 or Fahrenheit 451 that decried just learning a bunch of facts with no context or engagement with the meaning behind them. Just facts, facts, facts. Feinne posted:The government has pointedly refused any offer of aid, and I'm pretty sure their position is in fact that food and medicine are available and anyone who says otherwise is part of the CIA/Colombian axis trying to destabilize the country. That's really sick. Really really sick. To speak once more of Orwell, "We've always been at war with Eastasia." I bet the guys at the top still get enough food.
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PJ, how much do you know about the Quiverfull movement? I've heard it come up in connection with the Duggars, and had a Facebook friend ranting about it a year or so ago, but I still don't really know the deal. I figure, that group seems at least in the same orbit as the groups you've talked about, so you might know something.
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phasmid posted:Thank you for all of this substantive backstory and for sharing your personal outlook. This thread has a lot of "meat" to it, I'm sure the wider public would be interested to know all of this stuff you told us. As I said earlier, I knew there were institutions like this out there somewhere but to borrow your analogy from the blog, it still feels like talking to Mowgli about the jungle. Hyper evangelicals deliberately separate themselves from society as much as they can. ACE is not a disease; it is a symptom. The real issues come from evangelicals deciding that theirs is The One True and Good Path. They are right and all others are wrong. You MUST follow what they believe with no deviation or you are Wrong and Bad. They believe that hammering their children into that mold whether they fit or not is good because you're saving them from hell. This also plays into their beliefs on America; as pj mentioned they believe the end times are very close. You see this in people that genuinely believe that Obama is the antichrist and that America's increasing tolerance of the gays is the source of all its problems. This is also why they harp on obedience so much; if you follow unquestiomimgly then you won't be gay and won't incur God's wrath. Which leads to their horrendous treatment of LGBT people. They believe that by daring to exist all LGBT people are goobering everything up. Thus we must as a society destroy or cure them. However, America overall is accepting them increasingly overall as well as declining in overall Christianness so the evangelicals are isolating themselves from the rest of us heathen filth who will never be saved. Some of them still go witness but others are doing things like what pj talks about. Also, sorry if it seems like I might be trying to steal your thunder from time to time pj; this is something I dealt with as well. I never went through anything as awful as you did but evangelicalism runs rampant where I'm from. I have far more insight and experience with those beliefs than I'd like. A lot of goons don't seem to have much exposure with it so I vomit information about it when appropriate. For the rest of you trust me when I say that evangelicals are far worse than you think they are.
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is it possible the reason that a lot of people don't know about ACE is that only certain people are supposed to know about it? For such a widespread institution, these people seem to enjoy their privacy - despite being backed and funded by some real heavyweights of the Christian Right-Wing. What I mean is, do you think there's some sort of P.R. arm of this confederation that wages a disinformation/silence campaign to shake off criticism? Especially criticism from people like you who have seen their inner workings and identified them?
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Prester Jane posted:I've known a number of families who wound up involved in an ACE school for four or five years and it's become the sort of thing that the adults have had to apologize to their children for. In your ACE thread I mentioned I had some relatives in Orwell with kids in one of these type of schools. Since then they have pulled them out. Currently they are being home schooled (which normally I'd be upset about, but in this case its a vast improvement). Your thread had a small part in that and I think it's worth thanking you. Also most WV Grandmas are dangerous and awesome. My great grand mother (who was Pretty Boy Floyds niece) started a family tradition of giving new brides cast iron. So they could kill their husbands in their sleep with it if they ever beat them or cheated on them.
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So with the UK officially leaving the EU, I have to wonder if any british goons have noticed patterns among their own much like what we've discussed here or not. David Cameron coming out as not wanting to leave, as well as immediately resigning (probably throwing up his hands and saying 'FINE! You get your way but I wash my hands of it.') strikes me as a reaction to the british version of the tea party getting loose of the reins and biting the right winger's hand.
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They even apparently had an outer narrative of "Sovereignty!" and an inner narrative of "Polacks!".
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E-Tank posted:So with the UK officially leaving the EU, I have to wonder if any british goons have noticed patterns among their own much like what we've discussed here or not. Not exactly. You see a great deal of the problem is basically a split between old and young compounded by problems of income inequality which had an easy bug bear. Its not possible to label a large amount of the country as idiots or racists, but I mean things aren't being helped by people believing poo poo like "We will totally use the money we send the EU on the NHS, honest". I am generally keeping out of it on here, because it's just depressing, there is no hope to it.
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E-Tank posted:So with the UK officially leaving the EU, I have to wonder if any british goons have noticed patterns among their own much like what we've discussed here or not. I am genuinely curious about this as well, I don't follow British politics or culture in the slightest so I wouldn't even be able to even begin to make a guess. On the other hand Nigel Farage is already calling for handguns to be legalized. Daily Mail posted:
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Pavlov posted:They even apparently had an outer narrative of "Sovereignty!" and an inner narrative of "Polacks!". Well they were basically co-opting nazi propaganda. Like, straight up. 
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Wow, so the Trump/GOP thread says exploded into a response against 'the globalists', particularly in response to Brexit. I have a hunch this might be a unifying plank for the clusters: religious - satan's minions running the world, left behind style economic - bircher style 'the jews' conspiracy - illuminati / lizard people racist - jews / immigrants Saying 'the globalist enemy' lets you signal each faction that you are with them.
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E-Tank posted:Well they were basically co-opting nazi propaganda. And as Helen Highwater pointed out, count the words in that slogan on the breaking point poster.
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Loel posted:Wow, so the Trump/GOP thread says exploded into a response against 'the globalists', particularly in response to Brexit. I have a hunch this might be a unifying plank for the clusters: I can see why: their stated goal "won" in a country last night, then the consequences immediately flattened their economy, actually waking some of the less deluded up to see what a terrible idea it was. That kind of challenge to the narrative requires immediate response to keep the groups unified and nothing works better for that purpose to them than a vague enemy to blame. They need to work fast if to avoid reality catching up with them. Trump being even dumber and hammering harder on bigotry than normal might be his attempt to do this as well. That or he's really too narcissistic and ill informed to realize he's sounding more of an idiot than ever. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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What seems really strange to me, but propably fits right on the narrativist profile, is that pro brexit people don't seem to have any clue what to now that they have actually won. It even seems that they won't be invoking the article 50 any time soon. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/leave-campaign-rows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spendingquote:Meanwhile, Liam Fox cast doubt on the necessity of triggering the article 50 clause of the Lisbon treaty that sets out the legal process for a country’s EU withdrawal. This really doesn't sound like a winner to me.
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"gently caress EVERYONE I WANT THIS!!!" *gets it* "Wait, let's be reasonable and think about it first."
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In my personal analysis Trump isn't a Narrativist per se, he's more like a blind force of nature that has learned how to manipulate Narrativists for its own purposes. Narrativists also happen to be extremely easy to manipulate if you're just willing to let them have permission to live out the dictates of their Inner Narrative. A clinical narcissist like Trump is almost the perfect match for manipulating a Narrativist. A clinical narcissist desperately wants to have the false image of themselves that they project to be validated by those that surround them, and at the same time a Narrativist desperately wants a leader who will both give validation to their internet him as well as giving them social sanction to bully/harass/kill The Enemy. In this way they each give the other something they want, specifically they both get permission to live and their delusion instead of reality. Lucy Heartfilia posted:"gently caress EVERYONE I WANT THIS!!!" A Narrativist does not think strategically beyond simply having their big fight. The underlying assumption is that once the enemy is defeated the heroes will all lock arms and walk into the sunset (as the credits roll across the screen), confident that the remaining problems can all be easily resolved now that The Enemy has been defeated. There is no plan for "after", the only strategic that they are really capable of engaging in various ways to attempt to make their enemy into giving them the big fight they want. You can see this for example in the mail here Refuge standoff. Suppose for a moment they had successfully taken that territory? What exactly were they going to accomplish by holding a bird refuge that was 40 miles from the nearest (very small) town? How exactly what they have even held the territory if the US government had decided to take them seriously and sent in the National Guard? The answer is they never even thought to ask these questions, they just wanted their big fight and assumed that as long as they got their big fight then the God-Force would make sure that they won and everything would work out just fine. Loel posted:Wow, so the Trump/GOP thread says exploded into a response against 'the globalists', particularly in response to Brexit. I have a hunch this might be a unifying plank for the clusters: "Globalists" does seem to be the Outer Narrative that the Clusters are settling on as a result of the ongoing Narrative Convergence. As this particular Outer Natrative basically has its roots in Russian anti-semitism (It originates in the Paranoid Cluster which has relied heavily on the John Birch Societies Blue Book , which is itself just rushing anti-Semitism with "International Banker" substituted for "Jew") I would expect that this will eventually result in a marked increase in the visibility and power of both anti-Semitism and blatant White Supremacy within the four clusters.
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An interesting little tidbit that demonstrates the power of Narrative Convergence as well as demonstrates just how far a Narrativist will go in decieving themselves so long as it involves opposition to The Enemy. (A Narrativist selects their leader based purely upon who they perceive as presenting the most credible threat to The Enemy, absolutely no other consideration matters. Whatsoever.)Politico posted:
In the same vein we have this little video where a man who routinely calls for gay people to be executed by the state talks about how he supports the right of every American to live a life free of fear and that's why Trump will be better for the LGBT community then Hillary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_S1Td2ieqk Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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So I need some feedback on something thread, there's something I've been thinking about doing for a very very long time now. I'm thinking about publicly naming the pastor of the cop who abused me and putting what I've written about my experiences under his care up on my block with his real name and photo. I've been hesitant to do so in the past because of a variety of personal reasons, especially since I was worried about the potential for calling down and internet mob on a school where children might get caught up in the crossfire. However, it's summer vacation and school is out of session. In addition I think I'm finally at a point in my recovery or I'm strong enough to go public and out him. (Also there is the fact that sometimes I do wake up in the middle of the night and all I can think about is stopping him from hurting anyone else.) I've already made reports to law enforcement about what I experienced, but these stand as little more than allegations at present and there's really nothing they can do except make a note in a file somewhere that I made the allegations. The only way I can really see to stand a chance of ending the abuse is to go public, but it's a very difficult decision for me to make and I need some feedback. I'm not looking to be told what to do one way or the other, I'm just looking for some help in thinking through this. This is a big decision and if I pull the trigger on this there's really no going back. What do you guys think?
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Prester Jane posted:I'm not looking to be told what to do one way or the other, I'm just looking for some help in thinking through this. This is a big decision and if I pull the trigger on this there's really no going back. What do you guys think? 1. PJ's trans. 2. Trans people are obsessed with sex, because of course they are.  3. The abuse probably had some perverted fulfillment angle to it that somehow PJ instigated because everything is sex, sex, sex to trans people. I mean, just like how gay people are obsessed with sex. Look at those gay pride parades! 4. Therefore, this poor man was just ensnared in PJs web of masochism. 5. How dare PJ do this! Let's post all her information everywhere? Or, we'll post all his information because our heads are up our asses about that gender identity mumbo-jumbo. You'd have to be ready to have all your own stuff posted online too, and probably having people bothering you about it at times where you don't want to even think about it. You certainly have a sympathetic group here, but you should make sure people actually local to you are sympathetic too, because you're going to need a lot of support. Or, nothing might happen, but you want to be prepared. My own position in the matter is that I'm expecting a few years from now to be driving home from work with Fresh Air on the radio, and they have you on to talk about all this.
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Unless he's convicted of the specific things you're going to be talking about, you're opening yourself up to a whole heaping of lawsuit?
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I would recommend against it, simply putting the information out there on your own really gives him just about all the power and he really is innocent until proven guilty under the law. Plus you do have a history of schizophrenia and I imagine that would give him enough room to walk easily, since he's a Pillar of the Community and you're basically a rando with a history of mental health problems and a known delinquent type (by their definition, of course). Which is not to say I don't believe you, I just think that making no formal legal accusation leaves you at a very disadvantageous position. poo poo's hosed yo, I'm sorry 
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Jun 25, 2016 21:44
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