- Solemn Sloth
- Jul 11, 2015
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There was someone from one of the banks saying that they reckon another 50,000 jobs are going to be lost in the mining sector in the next couple of years too.
Rio is hyper-aggressively pursuing automation too so even in the case of another minerals boom even less of the profits will be realised in the local economy
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- Solemn Sloth
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Thanks for this, not exactly what I has looking for but definitely helps. Was wanting the stats like "for every X person employed in the arts, another Y people are employed in supporting industries, but for mining it is only Z"
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- wombat74
- Sep 30, 2005
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Corporate Fat Cat
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The begging is still strong from Small Business' Best Buddies
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Wombat74,
I just wanted to make sure you saw Michael's email on Tuesday.
The response has been amazing, and we're not far off our target of $11,000.
Can you donate now to counter Labor's lies about Medicare?
Thanks,
Russell Hannan
Treasurer
Liberal Party of Australia (Victorian Division)
P.S. With the end of financial year just one week away, did you know you might be eligible to claim a tax deduction when you donate up to $1,500?
I do like the "Tax deduction!" line. Best possible reason to give to ensure the privatisation of Medicare
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- Lid
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And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
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While in a waiting room this popped up on the TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-zJ_Y2x1mY
Oh God it's out in the wild
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- wombat74
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Corporate Fat Cat
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What, no frothing about social justice warriorettes?
The line in that video about someone "choosing" to take offence loving pisses me off. In fact the whole concept of people "opposing" political correctness.
You don't get to choose if someone else can be offended. You don't get to decide whether that person is just pretending to be offended. Decrying something as "PC" shouldn't be a code meaning "I want to be a giant insulting prick, and if you complain about the utterly offensive garbage coming out of my mouth I'm going to attack you for it".
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Leyonhjelm doesn't really give a poo poo about the 'cause' he just likes getting publicity
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- Seagull
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leyonhjelm just wants to keep leeching off the taxpayer
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Whatever the truth of the matter, I can see that ad appealing to a lot of people. Doubt it'll change their vote though, the Liberals are politically-incorrect enough for most.
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"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
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Maybe Morrison and Bernardi should have just chosen to not take offence at being called homophobes?
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It would be really poo poo to be the poster boy for this kind of stuff thats for sure
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Nothing happens when you are offended.
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- WhiskeyWhiskers
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"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
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Nothing happens when you are privileged and feel offended.
FTFY.
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- SadisTech
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quote:Care about asylum seekers or climate change? Don't vote Greens
HELEN RAZER
Writer and broadcaster
When this election was called back in what now feels like 1986, I wrote a short piece for Crikey detailing some reservations I had about the political usefulness of the Greens. In the decades that followed, many persons contacted me both privately and publicly to call me, inter alia, an idiot.
Don’t worry; my feelings aren’t hurt and I learned long ago to translate the strong language of the internet back to its milder intent. I know that “idiot” and “bitter ranting old husk who can’t find a man” are terms of spirited affection, so I shan’t be using this opportunity to talk about how I have been oppressed as-a-woman.
What I shall do, however, is strive to address, internet-vitriol-translator in hand, the two primary criticisms I have received.
The first address concerns my claims about the Greens and social class. Some critics, whom I know will appreciate that it is with fondness they are here referred to as “deluded post-materialists who can’t get their high-income wangs squeezed”, said that I was too free in my association of Greens voters with stylish upcycled furniture and sensitive works of literature.
While I’ll allow that it is both easy and mean to make fun of Australian people who dress their children in colourful fair trade clothing sewn by machines micro-financed by the World Bank, I will not agree that it is not also accurate. That The Australian, The Daily Telegraph and other wounds of neoliberalism regularly haemorrhage the fact that the Greens do best in some of our most covertly affluent electorates does not make it any less true.
I should point out here that this does not mean that Greens voters are “chardonnay socialists”. First, this category of person lives largely in the imagination of the Murdoch press, where they never keep up with varietal trend. Second, according to my own informal research, Greens voters are much more likely to spend their substantial incomes on beard oil and live juice than any other liquid. Third, there is not much that is reliably socialist about Greens policy or Greens voters. We’ll return to that in a bit.
But not before we take a brief stop at Essential whose survey on social class identification upturns the first of an interesting statistical pair. A Greens voter is more than twice as likely as a major party voter is to identify themselves as having no social class. Then, the May research finds Greens voters significantly more likely than a major party voter to believe that social class still exists in Australia.
So, Greens voters, at 20%, are much more likely than major party voters to consider themselves exempt from a social class hierarchy but quite a bit less likely than major party voters to exempt others from it. In a predominant Greens voter view, others are more likely to be bound by social structure than they are. The Greens voter is more likely one who wishes to represent those-less-fortunate. The Greens voter is less likely to be one of those-less-fortunate.
Of course, those-less-fortunate tend often to also be those less likely to find time for the compassion, itself mutated into a top-down sentiment, so central to Greens voters and so persistent in the language of the party. They are also less likely to find time for deliberation — a disadvantage that, in part, explains why some of those-less-fortunate are likely to cast unfortunate and self-destructive votes, such as “Yes” to Brexit or “Yes” to Trump. Or, just as bad, “Yes” to the Coalition, whose nativism has only been quietened a little by that high-end muffler, Malcolm Turnbull.
Which brings us to the second criticism of the earlier piece: Helen, you’re a racist who doesn’t care about asylum seekers.
I am not going to say “I am not a racist”, because, as we know, the kind of thing one is called on the internet generally bears very little relationship to the kind of thing one is. Also, my moral character is hardly the point in any discussion at any time, but particularly in the days before an election. The question we should be asking is not if I am the sort of husk who doesn’t give a toss for those-less-fortunate. But rather, does Greens policy meaningfully address racism?
I would say no. I would say that they mean very well and are clearly decent people, no matter how cruelly they dress their children. But I would say this third-person hypothesis so prevalent among Greens voters when it comes to social class gives us both clue and analogy about the foundation of their policies on racism.
A party with a diminished belief in the existence of social class and the importance of the material, and a greater one in cultural good is not a party, in my view, that meaningfully combats racism. Or any broad dislike for those-less-fortunate. Like many voters, I offer my support to the closure of offshore privatised detention centres and, more generally, an end to the crazy nativist rhetoric that has paralysed so many Australians into fallacious thinking. But to urge, as the Greens consistently do, to simply honour those-less-fortunate is not to address the conditions that makes such fallacious thinking broadly possible.
The largely unemployed class who throws its support behind Brexit or Trump do so not simply because they never learned to buy fair trade clothing and honour those-less-fortunate. They do so because they are an unemployed class whose thin political engagement comes conveniently served in the minutes between financial despair. In the Europe of 1933, or in much of the Europe of the present, xenophobia takes hold when social equity withers.
The Greens — the hard-left origins some of its representatives have notwithstanding — have become an ideas-all-the-way-down party. Power is constituted not by the material or by social class but by bad ideas. It’s not enough to say “those ideas are wrong”. Not by half. If one fails to address the conditions that allow these ideas to flourish and relies only on a neo-Christian love for those-less-fortunate to hoist the disenfranchised from their pit of racism, etc, one fails to address the idea.
Which brings me to the final criticism: Helen, you’re an idiot who hasn’t read the Greens New Keynesian economic policy. FFS, Helen. It’s just like Wayne Swan, but with more solar panels and colourful microloan children’s clothes.
Well, I will own that I never got through The General Theory, whose average sentence is more tortured and longer than the saddest of mine. But I did read, and I do read, Greens economic presentations and what I see there is a kind of reverse watermelon. Which is to say that I doubt the pink flesh that the Greens offer us with their entirely commendable “spend in a bust, save in a boom” statements is much more than a glimpse into anything, save for the emerging consciousness of some of its supporters.
In this post-Bernie era, we see many commentators across the Western world shifting their focus to an F.D. Roosevelt style of thinking, and even guys like Paul Krugman have changed their stripes. Yes, demand-side economics is the only way to make life under capitalism manageable for the many. No, a party that believes so firmly in power structures that are constituted chiefly, or largely, by ideas cannot be relied upon to destabilise those structures.
Which brings me to the final criticism: are you some kind of ALP chattel? What is your intimate involvement with this bunch of disappointing dullards?
The answers here are “no” and “nothing”. I do vote ALP but while wincing, and with only one memory of physical intimacy with a minor party functionary, which was back after the electoral defeat in 1996, and I only did this because I felt sorry for him.
There are some older people in the party who have permitted the PJK economic dream to mutate into neoliberalism not too distinct from that of the Coalition. There are some younger people in the party who have permitted the PJK cultural dream into post-material compassion not too distinct from that of the Greens.
But what has begun to re-emerge, particularly in the policies of Chris Bowen, is the view that power is most effectively returned to citizens in the form of material. A decent life and fairer labour conditions produces a fairer and more decent citizen. A compassionate urge for those-less-fortunate is, ultimately, a socially useless gift to those comfortable enough to believe they have no social class.
Ideas may not form power all the way down. But this idea that it is the moral goodness of individuals that will lead to the material comfort of all has a great power over Greens voters. It’s the other way round.
Now, back to calling me a husk.
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"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood
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I don't actually understand what this author is trying to say. It's like she wants to use big words, but doesn't know any, so just shuffles a bunch of little words around until you mistake incomprehension for intelligence
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- G-Spot Run
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Sorry I'm skimming but I can't see where caring about refugees is at all addressed by voting Labour.
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- Seagull
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voting labor will make them more powerful and Chris Bowen will convince the racists they're appealing to now to stop being racist by year [redacted]
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Ignore my posts!
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I could only read 'tone argument'. Lot of words to say that, though.
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- SadisTech
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Her point, as far as I can make one out, is that the Greens want to improve quality of life by making everyone nicer, but that can't happen because people are dumb and poor, but Labor will give people more material wealth and this will have the effect of making people nicer, so vote Labor.
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Even for Helen Razer, that is incomprehensible waffle.
Especially given that the article's purpose is apparently to address criticisms of her previous one, and clarify her position, I can't remember reading anything so totally pointless. Even her unfunny asides are weakly rehashed from before, and shoehorned in.
Like... in as much as any actual meaning can be discerned from something so poorly written, none of it makes sense. Especially, "As for the matter of asylum seekers, I'll address that now" -- then she writes about something totally unrelated until the end of the piece.
She doesn't address anything specific about policy, so despite pretensions otherwise, the whole thing is really just, "I don't like Greens voters; they rub me the wrong way for apparently trivial reasons," which is fine but not really worth writing about, at least not so indirectly.
That's my take from a single read, anyway, and I'm not willing to read it again.
I think there might be good article to be written about how Greens voters can be such wankers and why that could be an actual problem, but this isn't it, not least because it's pretending to be an article about something else.
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- Solemn Sloth
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Yes if only the greens had any policies about social equity
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- Periphery
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quote:
Now, back to calling me a husk.
Sounds good to me!
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- Solemn Sloth
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Baby you can shout at me,
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There's a doctor on the ABC talking about guns who just made a really good point.
Gun fetishists often make the argument that removing guns just translates to attacks with knives etc.
Mobile phones have led to much better emergency response times, and this has led to much better survival rates for blunt or sharp trauma injuries, but relatively small increases in survival rate for gunshot injuries.
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Helen Razer used to kinda be cool back in the Triple J days in the 90s. Too bad she has turned into the Generation X version of a Quadrant journalist.
This. She's both incoherent and incapable of grasping new political paradigms. But she writes great lies for the ALP to comfort themselves with, so there's that. She should be able to dine out on that for another decade.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-23/moree-shooting-ian-turnbull-sentenced-over-murder/7535808
quote:A farmer who shot and killed a New South Wales environmental officer over a land dispute has been jailed for a minimum of 24 years.
Key points:
Turnbull sentenced to 35 years in prison with a non-parole period of 24 years
Judge said it was almost certainly a de facto life sentence
Glen Turner's family expressed relief at "a good result"
Ian Turnbull was found guilty last month of the 2014 murder of Glen Turner, near Moree, in north-western New South Wales.
Turnbull was sentenced to 35 years in prison with a non-parole period of 24 years.
In sentencing, Justice Peter Johnson told the Supreme Court in Sydney that the 81-year-old intended to kill Mr Turner.
The judge said it was a de facto life sentence due to Turnbull's age.
"I have taken into account that this sentence will almost certainly constitute a de facto life sentence with the offender dying in custody before the expiration of the non-parole period," the judge said.
"I am satisfied that no lesser sentence is appropriate in all the circumstances of the case."
Justice Johnson told the court he was not persuaded that Turnbull was suffering from major depression at the time of the murder.
"I am satisfied that the offender suffered at the time of the offences an adjustment disorder which arose from the combination of stressors which operated upon him," he said.
NSW environment officer Glen Turner who was fatally shot on a property north of Moree on July 30, 2014.
Photo: NSW environment officer Glen Turner was fatally shot north of Moree in 2014. (Supplied by the Turner family)
"He had developed entrenched thought processes concerning the OEH [Office of Environment and Heritage] and in particular Mr Turner."
During the trial the court heard Turnbull was facing prosecutions by OEH in the Land and Environment Court over illegal land clearing, which he continued to do after officially being told to stop.
He believed he was being singled out by authorities but admitted he had not had a conversation with Mr Turner for more than two years before shooting him dead.
Turnbull's son Grant also testified that the family would have faced financial ruin if they had lost their legal battle with the OEH.
Turnbull intended to kill environmental officer, court heard
During the trial the court heard Turnbull drove out in search of Mr Turner, after learning he was in the Croppa Creek area near Moree in July 2014.
Turnbull admitted taking his rifle and firing several shots at Mr Turner.
He had told the jury earlier in the trial that calmness came over him after he fired the first of three shots to hit Mr Turner, over a period of at least 20 minutes, at the side of a road.
It happened in front of fellow environment officer Robert Strange, who pleaded with the 81-year old to let them go, so he could get help for his seriously wounded colleague.
Turnbull refused, telling Mr Strange the only way Mr Turner was leaving was in a body bag.
After firing his final and fatal shot, Turnbull said he was going home and the police would know where to find him.
Verdict a relief: Turner family
Mr Turner's partner and sister described their horror at the circumstances of Mr Turner's death during the trial.
Media player: "Space" to play, "M" to mute, "left" and "right" to seek.
Video: Glen Turner's partner Alison McKenzie (left), and sister Fran Pearce, speak outside court (ABC News)
His partner Alison McKenzie said he was treated like a "feral pig" and she could not comprehend how someone could do that to another person.
Ms McKenzie said today the verdict was a good result.
"It's the end of a long road for us but it will never bring Glen back, so no matter what sentence he was given, it's never going to change what happened and [we're] just glad that justice has prevailed," she said.
Mr Turner's sister Fran Pearce said the verdict was a relief.
"It's a hard emotion to describe, so pleased doesn't really cover it. It's very relieving. It's probably more than we even hoped for," she said
"We hoped that he'd die in jail, to be honest, because Glen didn't get a chance to go home to his family, so we think that's fair."
Ms Pearce said the family was grateful the judge acknowledged Mr Strange, who "did his best to help" Mr Turner.
"He's really the forgotten victim in this and he often gets overlooked. He's going to suffer the rest of his life for what he saw and what he tried to do, so we're really grateful that he was acknowledged in the sentencing," she said.
"I think the other two people that need to be remembered are Jack and Alexandra. They don't have their father for the rest of their life, so he needed to be sentenced to a long time for that."
'This will happen again' if vegetation laws not changed: son
Turnbull's son Grant Turnbull said a similar tragedy would happen unless the state's native vegetation laws were changed.
Robeena Turnbull, wife of farmer Ian Turnbull, outside court in Sydney.
Photo: Turnbull's wife, Robeena Turnbull, leaving Sydney's Supreme Court after the verdict. (AAP: Paul Miller)
Mr Turnbull said the Vegetation Act was unworkable.
"But the frustration that's out there, it's not just my father, it's many people out in rural New South Wales that are extremely frustrated, extremely frustrated with the way it's administered and the act itself, it just needs to change," he said.
"If the native vegetation acts aren't changed in this state, unfortunately this will happen again.
"It just shouldn't happen to two more families. The politicians need to listen. They need to listen to the people.
"The way it's administered. The way this act is administered, that's what needs to change.
"It doesn't need to be scrapped, it just needs to be made workable.
"I have never been to any meeting where anyone has said lets go back to the old way of doing things, it is simply 'lets get something that is workable for the people of New South Wales'."
Hey Grant you're a piece of poo poo.
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Helen Razer used to kinda be cool back in the Triple J days in the 90s. Too bad she has turned into the Generation X version of a Quadrant journalist.
That is a good way of expressing it! I had this thought but couldn't put it into words. She's very intelligent and instinctively sceptical of just about everything, which can be a good thing, but often it's like she wants to be a disaffected young gen-Xer forever... but she's not dumb enough for that to be easy. So she criticises everything but can't bring herself to hold an actual position of her own to argue from -- but nor can she be totally nihilistic (as she used to be). And occasionally this results in an idea worth expressing but most of the time it's just confused and confusing contrarian drivel.
I empathise with her cynicism and scepticism, and I don't fault her as a person for like... being confused, and trying to figure things out, and having blind spots, and sometimes getting it wrong, etc. etc. -- but christ, why would I want to read any of that poo poo?
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- WhiskeyWhiskers
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"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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Imagine getting paid to have meltdowns.
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TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico
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I'm in need of some assistance regarding how best to persuade, or at least, best inform some people I know on why they shouldn't vote for Leyonhjelm.
I know of many of the reasons personally, but how best can I draw attention to he and his party's major flaws without my own bias just getting in the way. I have a few other friends who I want to try and get to consider voting Green, rather than socialist alliance or other parties...
Any help/info/sources on Leyonhjelms shoddy ways would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance for your help.
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- Seagull
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if you know someone who's actively voting for leyonhjelm they're too far gone
if they did it accidentally a couple minutes laughter should suffice
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