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zoux posted:Bro it's 18 year olds trying to be loving Molotov online and loving it up, that's what's funny to laugh at. I was dangerously woke myself at that age. That's all I'm saying. I was there, too, but thankfully not publicly on twitter. Don't throw stones is all.
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zoux posted:Bro it's 18 year olds trying to be loving Molotov online and loving it up, that's what's funny to laugh at. I was dangerously woke myself at that age. back in the day, zoux was standing up against the us involvement in the Spanish-American War and protesting the conditions at meat packing plants, quoting The Jungle at length,
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Arrgytehpirate posted:As I understand it if there are two applicants equal in all aspects you hire/accept the minority. I think this part is fine. you are, because what happens in that scenario is the business just hires a bunch of 'qualified' people who all happen to be white
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Koalas March posted:And AA still benefits white women most. She can cry me a loving river. Genuine question: Could you give any more information or links on this? That's honestly really interesting, and I'm curious about understanding the explanation/rationale behind this. Edit: I know I'm being lazy, so I'll try looking around as well. I found this http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/ and I'll check it out. Suckthemonkey fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:you are, because what happens in that scenario is the business just hires a bunch of 'qualified' people who all happen to be white It's even worse because companies would rather hire white felons than black people without criminal records.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:07
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Well then: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/134582/clinton-world-worried-republicans-dumping-donald-trump Not that there was really much chance before, but Trump's done The Pivot, he's locked in now.
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Yeah, It's not going to happen. Like I said before, the damage the party would do to itself by ratfucking Trump would be WAY worse than letting Trump be the nominee and losing.
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The lose-losest situtation, and it's all on the Republicans. Man Obama better get some disaster relief funds ready to be sent to offset all the upcoming chaos on the California coast because this poo poo is gonna be a landslide.
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"Trump loses by 4-6%, the GOP holds the Senate by 1 seat" seems like the median outcome now. I think they'll take that.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:you are, because what happens in that scenario is the business just hires a bunch of 'qualified' people who all happen to be white RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:you are, because what happens in that scenario is the business just hires a bunch of 'qualified' people who all happen to be white If they were the most qualified applicant there's no issue. The only one responsible for making sure you're qualified is you. If there are revealed to be racist reasons the DOJ should loving crush the company/school and make an example.
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Suckthemonkey posted:Genuine question: Could you give any more information or links on this? That's honestly really interesting, and I'm curious about understanding the explanation/rationale behind this. I was gathering some links but that Times article is the most recent. http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2014/03/11/white-women-affirmative-action/ http://madamenoire.com/282653/studies-show-affirmative-action-helps-white-women-more-than-others/ http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56a0ef6ae4b0d8cc1098d3a5 Here are some myths and facts about AA that might also interest people: http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm
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What about affirmative action for persons with disabilities that have significant impact on life activities. Is that still ok
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Koalas March posted:Last time I checked AA benefited white women more than any other group, so how is this racist against white folks again? Wait, what? Is this true? How could that be true? Universities already accept more women than men. If AA is to apply to a gender, surely it should be in the interests of achieving parity (i.e. accepting more men than they currently do), not worsening the inequity. I mean, I don't know that we need AA for gender, but using AA to disproportionately benefit the group that already sees the majority of admissions is patently absurd.
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Jimbozig posted:Wait, what? Is this true? How could that be true? Universities already accept more women than men. If AA is to apply to a gender, surely it should be in the interests of achieving parity (i.e. accepting more men than they currently do), not worsening the inequity. http://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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Arrgytehpirate posted:If they were the most qualified applicant there's no issue. The only one responsible for making sure you're qualified is you. If there are revealed to be racist reasons the DOJ should loving crush the company/school and make an example. The problem is that unless you can prove that the company is being racist, which is pretty much impossible unless you have them on record saying they're racist and that's why they're not hiring POC, it's impossible for the DOJ do to gently caress all.
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Today's going to be fun on twitter for hot takemen who only read headlines. https://twitter.com/JTTriguero/status/745996490884055041
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Is there a highlights reel of the House speeches last night? They sounded like a blast.
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Goon Danton posted:Is there a highlights reel of the House speeches last night? They sounded like a blast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxw07hNd7qA&t=109s
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"Looks like gun control actually worked, huh" hasn't been a popular response to receive but it sure has been a fun one to give
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Epic High Five posted:"Looks like gun control actually worked, huh" hasn't been a popular response to receive but it sure has been a fun one to give But think of how much more fun it would be if the entire theater whipped out guns and fired back!
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Slate Action posted:"Majority opinion is 20 pages; Alito's dissent is 50 pages" Literally qq'ing I LOVE IT MAGGLE
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Arrgytehpirate posted:If they were the most qualified applicant there's no issue. The only one responsible for making sure you're qualified is you. If there are revealed to be racist reasons the DOJ should loving crush the company/school and make an example. It sounds like you don't understand that racial bias can make them give preferential treatment based on race even if they don't know it. Whether someone knowingly or unknowingly gives preferential treatment to an applicant based on race, affirmative action is a good system for evening out those discrepancies. Some day when racism is truly dead we may not need it anymore but racism is clearly alive and well, so we do need it. Maybe you're not racist. Maybe your boss isn't But, a whole lot of people are racist as hell and we need systems and programs to fight it. Also, as a society, many of us accept that diversity, of all kinds, is a good thing. Does the desire for diversity sometimes conflict with the desire for maximal competence? Sure! However, diversity is a net good for everyone except those who thrive in and desire an environment of homogeneous whiteness.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Well then: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/134582/clinton-world-worried-republicans-dumping-donald-trump Now Politico is on the Tim Kaine wagon. All aboard for Kainementum. 
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Arrgytehpirate posted:If they were the most qualified applicant there's no issue. The only one responsible for making sure you're qualified is you. If there are revealed to be racist reasons the DOJ should loving crush the company/school and make an example. This seems really naive. How do you prove that someone's reasons are racist, short of the really dumb racists who leave a paper trail of how much they hate the negros?
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WampaLord posted:C) I don't buy in to your slippery slope bullshit Slippery slopes are a pretty real concern in legal systems, actually
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zoux posted:Today's going to be fun on twitter for hot takemen who only read headlines. Oh I think the hot takes will dry up pretty fast when people realize that the police killed a confused person with maybe a toy gun and all the injuries were from police tear gas.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:As I understand it if there are two applicants equal in all aspects you hire/accept the minority. I think this part is fine. That's not how AA works, though. Fischer's argument was based on the fact that less-qualified individuals were placed ahead of her because their race was factored in in such a way that it offset their relative lack of qualification compared to her test scores. This is actually a good thing because a lack of qualification may not be due to lack of aptitude.
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Hollismason posted:Is affirmative action racist if it is for persons with disabilities Yes, but only because I loving hate truncated domes on every god damned project I do.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Now Politico is on the Tim Kaine wagon. All aboard for Kainementum. I met Tim Kaine back when he was running for Governor. He's a nice guy and is very genuine, but man he's boring as hell.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:That's not how AA works, though. Fischer's argument was based on the fact that less-qualified individuals were placed ahead of her because their race was factored in in such a way that it offset their relative lack of qualification compared to her test scores. Yeah, your second point is a really important one. People don't seem to understand that metrics for "aptitude" that aren't "literally do the thing and see how good you are at it" are largely arbitrary. Having a laser focus on qualifications and pretending that tiny percentage points are important somehow is a huge mistake that most people seem to make.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:That's not how AA works, though. Fischer's argument was based on the fact that less-qualified individuals were placed ahead of her because their race was factored in in such a way that it offset their relative lack of qualification compared to her test scores. Weren't her test scores also not all that great?
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A Winner is Jew posted:I loving hate truncated domes
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Lemming posted:Yeah, your second point is a really important one. People don't seem to understand that metrics for "aptitude" that aren't "literally do the thing and see how good you are at it" are largely arbitrary. Having a laser focus on qualifications and pretending that tiny percentage points are important somehow is a huge mistake that most people seem to make. Most people, definitely most suburban white kids, are told that you go to school, you get good test scores, you go to college, and you get everything you want forever. This is just another outgrowth of "But I was promised things!" just like the whole student loan debt forgiveness thing and everything else white millennials whine about. Not that student loans aren't worth whining about, it's just that they're only whined about because loans were taken out because the kids were promised the (white) american dream and then in 2007 we woke up, or at least tossed and turned a bit.
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https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/746016959477743616 Lol
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.stripes.com/news/gun-control-group-enlists-petraeus-and-other-vets-to-help-curb-violence-1.414754 Fwiw veterans in general have no love for petraeus or mcchrystal Lugnut Seatcushion fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Noam Chomsky posted:Weren't her test scores also not all that great? Correct. But her argument was that minorities with worse test scores were accepted. Or in other words, that less qualified individuals should not have been accepted before she was (because UT doesn't just consider test grades when considering who to accept)
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