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Tunicate posted:Gon wasn't actually using his real nen, he was using wing's nen that had been given to him, so really his real nen just needs to be truly brought out, possibly by being stabbed by a nen sword or having a near death experience where he half turns into an ant because he was half bug all along. All according to keikaku, Tonpa whispers in the shadows.
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Gon is the protagonist character and his father is heavily involved in this Dark Continent BS. Even if he doesn't show up in this specific arc, I doubt he won't be regaining his nen and getting involved in future shenanigans. Hell, the editors wouldn't let Togashi suddenly make him a non-entity.
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I want to say Alluka had some connection to the Dark Continent given the nature of her abilities, but I might be wrong. As far as Gon is concerned though, I doubt something like a lack of Nen would stop him from doing whatever he wants and enjoying it.
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Tunicate posted:Gon instead trains with killua's family, who teach him all the non-nen assassin poo poo. I'm like 60% sure Gon is going to become a Rock Lee kinda character. Kid is freaky strong without Nen already, and he's not even hit puberty. As far as what going on with the dried up guards: My theory is that, like others have said, it's the baby's Nen beast, but I don't think it's just going after people who get too close as some kind of defense. We know those bestowed with the beasts aren't aware of them (unless that comes later or it's possible with Gyo or something. Maybe one of the princes wen't on a deep dive into family history, who knows), they don't directly control them, and the beasts are influenced by those they are bound too. I think what's up is that the baby's Nen beast is feeding. You have puncture marks on the bodies, they're drained, it's the first thing that comes to mind. It's going full on Nen Vampire. The baby is totally getting hungry, then the beast goes out and finds someone to drain to feed the baby. I would be really surprised if (assuming the current situation doesn't result in the nen beast just showing the gently caress up) in the next few chapters there isn't a throw away line about how the baby doesn't seem to want to eat or be hungry very much. And following from that the other Prince's Nen beasts start doing things they want to do, but can't due current situations. Like Murder-gently caress Von Playboy ends up waking up to a new skin art one morning because he hadn't had the chance to do his usual thing lately. The only real support I have for this is the current king being a total horndog (and only based on the huge number of wives he has, which seems excessive even for polygamous royalty) and his Nen beast being some horrible porno-golem.
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Tunicate posted:Gon wasn't actually using his real nen, he was using wing's nen that had been given to him, so really his real nen just needs to be truly brought out, possibly by being stabbed by a nen sword or having a near death experience where he half turns into an ant because he was half bug all along. it turns out Gon's nen actually stemmed from his second dad and he will now awaken a new, infinitely superior hatsu: the thousandfold eye poke
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Dias posted:Gon is the protagonist character and his father is heavily involved in this Dark Continent BS. But both of them are sociopaths and don't really care about the other on a personal level.
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Crain posted:I'm like 60% sure Gon is going to become a Rock Lee kinda character. Kid is freaky strong without Nen already, and he's not even hit puberty. They set up a clear divide between nen users and everyone else, and that line is "you're gonna get murdered free". Boogaleeboo posted:But both of them are sociopaths and don't really care about the other on a personal level. It's still the objective Ging set, and even if Gon doesn't care, he has a similar outlook on life as his father AND all of his friends will be in the Dark Continent for a while . Am I supposed to believe he's gonna chill at his rural home doing homework and fishing forever?
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Jun 24, 2016 01:12
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I honestly hope that Gon's story is done and he becomes the next Leorio: out of the picture until it's really funny to have him come back, but he's still useless in combat.
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Clarste posted:I honestly hope that Gon's story is done and he becomes the next Leorio: out of the picture until it's really funny to have him come back, but he's still useless in combat. but i love leorio more than anyone and i want him to be in the story more
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Dias posted:Gon is the protagonist character and his father is heavily involved in this Dark Continent BS. Even if he doesn't show up in this specific arc, I doubt he won't be regaining his nen and getting involved in future shenanigans. Hell, the editors wouldn't let Togashi suddenly make him a non-entity. When has there ever been editorial interference in hxh? If Togashi was a hack who wrote stories based on character popularity then the entire manga would have been about the same cast of characters from the hunter exam.
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even someone as mind-bendingly popular and influential as akira toriyama had to take into account the opinions and expertise of his editors. its a collaborative relationship, not a dictatorial one, but their ideas do matter
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Dias posted:They set up a clear divide between nen users and everyone else, and that line is "you're gonna get murdered free". Yes, because Gon has nothing to offer and would be a huge liability. Look at how many hoops he had to jump through to join the ant mission, and that was when he had nen. The dark continent has far worse things than ants, including some that can't be poison nuked.
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Serious Frolicking posted:When has there ever been editorial interference in hxh? If Togashi was a hack who wrote stories based on character popularity then the entire manga would have been about the same cast of characters from the hunter exam. But Killua and Gon have always been relevant. Do you really think he'd do away with both those characters for more than an arc and no one at Jump would go "ahm, could you please use the shonen protags again kay thanks". I mean, I hope he has that much creative control, but I can't think of any big shonen anime that would get away with that - gently caress, not even Toriyama could get away with that.
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Dias posted:But Killua and Gon have always been relevant. Do you really think he'd do away with both those characters for more than an arc and no one at Jump would go "ahm, could you please use the shonen protags again kay thanks". I mean, I hope he has that much creative control, but I can't think of any big shonen anime that would get away with that - gently caress, not even Toriyama could get away with that. If HxH continues to sell well then yes, I'd expect they would. I mean, they're fine with the incredibly inconsistent updates because it sells well, so I'm pretty sure they're fine with anything.
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Dias posted:But Killua and Gon have always been relevant. Do you really think he'd do away with both those characters for more than an arc and no one at Jump would go "ahm, could you please use the shonen protags again kay thanks". I mean, I hope he has that much creative control, but I can't think of any big shonen anime that would get away with that - gently caress, not even Toriyama could get away with that. They aren't relevant now. This arc is really good, and hxh's popularity isn't based on the presence of Killua and Gon. Why do you hate the Kurapika and Leorio show? It is finally Leorio's time to shine, which would never happen if the conflicts revolved around fights between nen users.
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Genocyber posted:If HxH continues to sell well then yes, I'd expect they would. I mean, they're fine with the incredibly inconsistent updates because it sells well, so I'm pretty sure they're fine with anything. Somehow I doubt they'd be okay with Togashi going "oi, guys, I'm dropping Gon and Killua, the two relatable main protagonists, from the story", but that's me.That's not to say he can't run with an arc without them. Serious Frolicking posted:They aren't relevant now. This arc is really good, and hxh's popularity isn't based on the presence of Killua and Gon. are my posts being translated by loving mangastream because it sure feels so i don't hate this arc i'm just saying i don't see togashi never using gon again also leorio is a fuckin nen user
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I think Togashi's allowed to do whatever the gently caress he wants as long as it isn't illegal or against their standards or whatever, really. I mean, HxH sells so well that they put up with the hiatuses and whatnot.
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Dias posted:They set up a clear divide between nen users and everyone else, and that line is "you're gonna get murdered free". Yeah, that is true. I'd like to say "hey he could just be THAT strong", but Togashi has solidified Nen being the real power of the world. It'd be like having a star wars character body a lightsaber because his abs were so strong. Togashi would have to violate his own rules system and so far he's never done that.
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Well, nen is the real power of humans. Dark continent hazards aren't necessarily nen-based. Heck, I don't think Alluka uses nen either since she can can skip the restrictions.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Well, nen is the real power of humans. Dark continent hazards aren't necessarily nen-based. Heck, I don't think Alluka uses nen either since she can can skip the restrictions. Does she? I always thought the death and destruction were the restrictions. She also, as far as we know, can't use them in a vacuum, someone else has to ask. If there's no one to ask her to do something then she can't do anything, which is why she was placed in that room all alone with no way to talk to or even notice anyone.
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Stairmaster posted:it's a popular fan theory that alluka is something from the dark continent because she says ai a lot and that's one of the deadly things there. Ah, I see.
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Stairmaster posted:it's a popular fan theory that alluka is something from the dark continent because she says ai a lot and that's one of the deadly things there. That and the fact that one of the calamities brought back from the Dark Continent was responsible for twisting a number of people in a fashion very similar to what happened when that butler lady refused Alluka's requests.
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Genocyber posted:All according to keikaku, Tonpa whispers in the shadows. Sir Tonpa -> Pa Sir Ton -> Pariston Below your noses this whole time.
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Crain posted:Does she? I always thought the death and destruction were the restrictions. She also, as far as we know, can't use them in a vacuum, someone else has to ask. If there's no one to ask her to do something then she can't do anything, which is why she was placed in that room all alone with no way to talk to or even notice anyone. Everyone treated her ability like nen because that is what they are familiar with. It even resembles nen, what with the requests and all. But Alluka can ignore the restrictions if Killua asks nicely. That simply isn't possible with nen. There is also how she is dramatically more powerful than any nen user and is essentially capable of creating miracles. She can instantly kill people that she has never met and are halfway across the world.
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Law Cheetah posted:even someone as mind-bendingly popular and influential as akira toriyama had to take into account the opinions and expertise of his editors. its a collaborative relationship, not a dictatorial one, but their ideas do matter Scuttlebutt has it that he managed to get a ridiculously good contract after YYH. Even less reliable scuttlebutt is that it was a condition for not suing his editor, who forced him to finish YYH by locking him in a hotel room for a week.
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Genocyber posted:That and the fact that one of the calamities brought back from the Dark Continent was responsible for twisting a number of people in a fashion very similar to what happened when that butler lady refused Alluka's requests. And IIRC the V5 nation that faced Ai is also where the Zoldyck estate is located.
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Crain posted:Does she? I always thought the death and destruction were the restrictions. She also, as far as we know, can't use them in a vacuum, someone else has to ask. If there's no one to ask her to do something then she can't do anything, which is why she was placed in that room all alone with no way to talk to or even notice anyone. They may not be hard restrictions because they don't come into play when Killua asks her for things. I mean that could be another restriction but somehow that seems too easy for this series and besides which her trusting him and no one else is a thing that came about after the powers when everyone else wanted to get things and he was just being her brother.
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Traveller posted:And IIRC the V5 nation that faced Ai is also where the Zoldyck estate is located. Also a Zoldyck was one of the dudes that went there.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Sir Tonpa -> Pa Sir Ton -> Pariston How could I have been so blind? Clarste posted:I honestly hope that Gon's story is done and he becomes the next Leorio: out of the picture until it's really funny to have him come back, but he's still useless in combat. Given how he was written out of the current arc it would be in poor form to put him right back in. He's had his arc, he got his goal, he's taking the bench while we get back to the other half of the original cast. I'm ok with this.
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Whether or not Gon ever gets his nen back, he needs some time to grow up. A lengthy arc where he is not present provides an excellent opportunity for this. If an amazing miracle happens and Togashi actually finishes the dark continent arc and continues the manga past it, I would like to see what becomes of Gon and Killua. But again, the chimera ant arc was over half the manga. The dark continent arc looks to be even more ambitious. Even if Togashi gets his back in working order, he is still an old man that doesn't like using assistants for whatever reason. There is no way he will keep to a strict weekly schedule for years on end.
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Well we are going to see the protagonists again and I wouldn't doubt they get to the dark continent at some point for whatever reason. Probably tying into how Gon gets his nen back. Which is gonna happen one way or another. Also the arc thing is weird as it was just motivation to get him started not actually an ending. Same thing for Kuripaka. Whose arc also ended but he is back. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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My thoughts Benjamin is not going to die soon or if soon in any means easily. those nen beasts are driven by will and he got a "gently caress YOUR poo poo" stance this chapter showing off his determination. Oddly he does not seem to be interested in outright murdering the other princes, not that he has any problem with them killing each other off, but his first and foremost goal is not being killed himself. This is actually a logical move from his part as he is the first prince and thus presumably the one with the biggest target on his back, he may simply see playing defensively as his advantage until they reach the point that he can safely unleash his troops to wrap things up. If Oito had each bodyguard hold Woble with the nen beast active she/it may have read their intentions. The youngest and "weakest" prince would be a prime target to infiltrate your own men onto the boat with their own objectives. Kurapika is a nice dude and would protect Woble regardless of his ulterior motive, but these other guys might not have that desire/would see the kid dead and thus the nen beast may be slaughtering them, alternatively it needs power and has no time for the weak. The gun is cool poo poo and I think kurapika can use more of his chain against people who attack him, he also has emperor time up and thus is in wreck poo poo mode even if the gun fails
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I don't think it makes much sense to send any significant amount of your forces to infiltrate the baby's bodyguards. It's a baby, making it by default the least threatening Prince. It may be easier to infiltrate, but there's also hardly any reason to actually do so. Unless they consider Oito herself a threat, but in that case it's not any easier to infiltrate anyway. Maybe people are sending spies to every single other Prince at the same time or something, but we've already seen half-a-dozen corpses which would make such a scenario comical to say the least. Like that Far Side comic about a flock of sheep composed entirely of wolves. Mostly it just seems like a waste of resources though. Why send your people to infiltrate the least threatening target when you could instead have them protect you against the most threatening target? It's like saying America should have left Russia alone during the Cold War and sent all its spies to somewhere with no communist presence whatsoever. It'd be easier to work there, right?
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Clarste posted:I don't think it makes much sense to send any significant amount of your forces to infiltrate the baby's bodyguards. It's a baby, making it by default the least threatening Prince. It may be easier to infiltrate, but there's also hardly any reason to actually do so. Unless they consider Oito herself a threat, but in that case it's not any easier to infiltrate anyway. Maybe people are sending spies to every single other Prince at the same time or something, but we've already seen half-a-dozen corpses which would make such a scenario comical to say the least. Like that Far Side comic about a flock of sheep composed entirely of wolves. Good way to infiltrate your guys ONTO the ship, infiltrating the baby is not what I suggested but getting them onto the ship in an easy way is.
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Well, I suppose there are enough third parties already, but honestly I can't see much of a motivation for anyone but the people we already know. It's not like being on the boat has any intrinsic value.
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