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Quick someone get Luol Deng's opinions on Brexit. probably not very high on it, as he himself was an immigrant into GB
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Oladipo is not a good player yet fyi.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:20
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Who's the best English baller of all time
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Jun 24, 2016 18:21
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zoux posted:Who's the best English baller of all time Alex English 
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zoux posted:Who's the best English baller of all time comedy answer: Ndudi Ebi
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straight up brolic posted:Oladipo is not a good player yet fyi. My knowledge of him extends to his games against okc where he balled the gently caress out every time so please explain
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Jun 24, 2016 18:23
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straight up brolic posted:Oladipo is not a good player yet fyi. He is definitely better than what they have and it's a no-brainer that he would start over Roberson/Waiters. 
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Oladipo will be better in OKC than he was in Orlando and Serge won't be as good in Orlando as he was in OKC.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:27
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Metapod posted:My knowledge of him extends to his games against okc where he balled the gently caress out every time so please explain last season was his best, but he was coming off the bench and cut to chop up opposing teams bench units/tired starters. TOV% is finally becoming workable.
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The only justification I would accept for the OKC trade is inside info about Ibaka's knees being ruined. The line that's come down is that he's unhappy with his role, and wouldn't re-sign in 2017. The problem is that they could easily have won the title next year. Role problems don't really make sense, because he's the one who passes the ball in terror, rather than taking a shot or making a move. Ilyasova is the Turkish James Franco, a good but streaky shooter who can only pretend to attack close outs, a willing but not special passer, and he's useless on defense beyond taking charges. Dipo should look much better as defenses focus on Russ and KD, but he needs the ball to be himself, so you have to assume that he would spend more time with Durant than with Westbrook. Curious Sabonis is a smaller Kanter and we're told he can shoot threes, but it's yet to be proven. No defensive upside. You don't win in the playoffs with bigs who can't defend. This leaves OKC with just Adams/Roberson as 4-5s who can defend at a championship level. Was the lineup that was smoking Golden State Rusty/Waiters/Durant/Roberson/Ibaka? Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 18:31
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in comms research we talk about technological changes being evolutionary or revolutionary. Oladipo could be a good evolution from Waiters, but he's not going to revolutionize their offense. Losing Ibaka will hurt on both ends. Lost a step, but was doing a lot of thankless jobs last season. Reminded me of Bosh/Love. Good at dirty work. Nice fit on Magic next to Vuc...Horford?
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Jun 24, 2016 18:32
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Libertine posted:He is definitely better than what they have and it's a no-brainer that he would start over Roberson/Waiters. Using offensive stats in a comparison with Roberson  straight up brolic posted:I think he's improved a lot, but advanced stats (BPM, WS48, PER) think he's below/around league average. Probably most valuable on the defensive end, where he's been inconsistent. Not a good shooter, but passable. Not a great finisher around the basket. Decent handle, should theoretically be a good secondary ball-handler for Russ. Spacing-wise, he couldn't play with Payton. Might need the ball in his hands to be effective offensively. What I'm getting from this is victor and cam are going to wreck havoc on team's second units
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I'm glad the Thunder got worse and the Spurs created the future BASH BROTHERS quiet noble heroes Kawhi Leonard and his lil bro Dejounte. 
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Metapod posted:Using offensive stats in a comparison with Roberson
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The Sixers have Ben Simmons and the English are almost to the point of cannibalism. All is right in the world.
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Metapod posted:Using offensive stats in a comparison with Roberson Those aren't all offensive stats, stop being so defensive about your guys, I'm not trying to poo poo talk Roberson who obviously has a strong niche and fills it well. That said, Oladipo compares well defensively to Roberson, I wouldn't say he's better (some metrics would), but he's definitely respectable. He's certainly a loving mile ahead of Waiters. In terms of total offensive/defensive contribution he's better than either of them.
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straight up brolic posted:in comms research we talk about technological changes being evolutionary or revolutionary. Oladipo could be a good evolution from Waiters, but he's not going to revolutionize their offense. I'd like to see them play Jennings/Hezonja/Fournier/Gordon/Ibaka and see what happens straight up brolic posted:both of those guys kind of need the ball though idk oladipo's a weird player. I want to believe but OKC may have too many chefs in the kitchen. I thought the Magic won the deal, but that it was pretty fair It's similar to the Clippers problem when their 3 best bench players were all ball dominant guards. If you let Oladipo have the ball in the second unit, how's Cameron Payne going to improve?
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Jun 24, 2016 18:40
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Waiters is actually okay on defense. Roberson is the best defender out of them by a mile. Dipo won't be taking Roberson.'s playing time.
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Henchman of Santa posted:The Bulls are gonna be depressing but I'm excited to have Denzel Valentine in my backyard. Also looking forward to paying upwards of $15 to see another Bucks game because Thon and Gianni's sounds like a silly time. Denzel Valentine looks about as unathletic as you can get in the NBA. Like Doug McDermott outscored him at the combine. Bulls easily have the least athletic team in the league now which is funny because their GM touted how he wanted to make them younger and more athletic this offseason.
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Oladipo is a good player at a position that currently lacks many good players. Orlando's best young player is a PF. I'm sorry, that trade stinks for Orlando (also Saba the second is going to own)
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I'm on the Papa John train now because he's got a good NBA parent https://twitter.com/lukewinn/status/746091178135805953 WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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straight up brolic posted:Joel Freeland if you don't count Deng yo trigger warning that poo poo
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leftist heap posted:Do you mean Roberson? 'cause Waiters wasn't in the starting lineup and probably isn't going to be on the team next season. Sure we'll go with that. For some reason I thought waiters was the starting 2 for OKC.
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Dipo will benefit from playing with 2 top players, his efficiency numbers should be much better this year. I wouldn't put much stock in a 3rd year player being inefficient in a Skiles offense whose best player is often injured.
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GMs get your pocket books ready because Durant is flying off the shelf at OKC and hitting the market very soon
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Bashez posted:On the contrary, they're getting worse for a better future. Serge had def. become the main Silverback on this team, and I'll miss him. And woe to OKC if Adams goes down with injury. He's not indestructible. According to *some expert insider* Serge was getting disgruntled at having a great midrange shot and developed a passable 3- and almost never getting a chance after working his rear end off on D. Apparently Donovan was not able in his 1st year to convince Westbrook or Durant to lay off to Ibaka for shots, doh. Maybe Kanter ahahaha will develop in the off-season ahahahahahahaha into a 2nd you know what I'm ahahahhahahahahahhahaa *falls over backward in chair, foaming at the mouth* edit- basically what I think is Ibaka didn't so much lose a step this year as he lost some desire and motivation because of the 2 superstar effect
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Libertine posted:Those aren't all offensive stats, stop being so defensive about your guys, I'm not trying to poo poo talk Roberson who obviously has a strong niche and fills it well. I'll admit I'm defensive about Roberson but that's because he's such an easy target to pick on and devalue. straight up brolic posted:both of those guys kind of need the ball though idk oladipo's a weird player. I want to believe but OKC may have too many chefs in the kitchen. I thought the Magic won the deal, but that it was pretty fair I like to think the players bought into coach Billy's system and will continue to execute it next season
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Oladipo is a good player at a position that currently lacks many good players. Orlando's best young player is a PF. I'm sorry, that trade stinks for Orlando (also Saba the second is going to own) Gordon at the 4, Ibaka at the 5 and this is the year that Gordon breaks out as an all-star and dunks from the free throw line four times a game.
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Presti traded away Durant's best and only friend, Serge Jonas Ibaka. Now that he doesnt have anyone to get beers at TGIF's anymore, he's going to have his eye set on big markets where there are lots more people to be friends with than in Oklahoma
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Niwrad posted:Denzel Valentine looks about as unathletic as you can get in the NBA. Like Doug McDermott outscored him at the combine. Bulls easily have the least athletic team in the league now which is funny because their GM touted how he wanted to make them younger and more athletic this offseason. No doubt the Bulls are going to be depressing but BACKCOURT DRAYMOND is the future and I really only give a poo poo because I'm an MSU fan and could otherwise give a gently caress about the Bulls.
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Oliderpo is half the player, and man, Serge Ibaka is.
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Jonathan Givony @draftexpress Isaia Cordinier had a promise to be picked by a team drafting in the late 30s/early 40s, but team reneged at the last minute. Ugly story. Jonathan Givony @draftexpress Even told other teams not to pick him because he was guaranteed to be brought to NBA right away. Had to scramble last minute to get picked
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What the gently caress are you doing Grunfeld!? http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/new..._medium=twitter SportingNews posted:According to sources, the Wiz are locked in on making a major offer to Joakim Noah. The Wizards are said to be willing to offer Noah, coming off shoulder surgery that KO’d him in January, a full maximum contract. His deal would start at $28 million and reach around $120 million over four seasons.
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Niwrad posted:Did you guys watch Serge Ibaka play last season? e: he was also one of the better players in the playoffs, which certainly increases his value
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Dang, five Frenchmen got drafted last night.
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Niwrad posted:Did you guys watch Serge Ibaka play last season? Probably only against the Spurs and warriors, which was the best 15 game stretch he played all year by a huge margin
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Niwrad posted:Did you guys watch Serge Ibaka play last season? I did! He was noticeably worse during the season then during the playoffs something clicked and he was good again
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Metapod posted:I did! He was noticeably worse during the season then during the playoffs something clicked and he was good again Motivation
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$28M/yr. for Joakim Noah  Also a good point probably already covered in this thread that I read this morning: the Thaddeus Young trade signals even further commitment by the Nets to a full-on tank, but Boston has the rights to swap first-rounders with Brooklyn next season, so that pick could end up being Real, Real Good for the Celtics, in a better draft.
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