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Grouchio posted:Now why would this hurt Clinton's chances if Trump's platform has convergently caused the economic destruction of Britain? People are idiots. Bip Roberts posted:Trump is crazytown enough that things like terrorist attacks and economic collapse hurt him. People wont be willing to play a giant experiment if shits hosed. A poll this morning (on lolCNN) had Trump 51 Clinton 43 for who people trust more to fix the economy. People are dumb and they tend to blame those in power for their problems.
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WampaLord posted:The really hosed part to me, was that as time went on he became more aggressive towards the prisoners and the "guard" part of his personality started to take over. Like, holy gently caress. Yeah that was pretty messed up and almost makes me feel a bit of sympathy towards guards and even cops and poo poo. OK, maybe some of them are power tripping assholes to begin with and that's why they seek out those jobs, but some just get turned that way by the job itself.
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Joementum posted:The Democratic platform committee defeated Keith Ellison's amendment to support a $15 minimum wage, indexed to inflation, by a 6-8 vote. gently caress. Was hoping for this to be the starting point and we would end up at $12 with readjustments at the state level for inflation every "X" years. Looks like we may have to settle for sub $10. 
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Evil Fluffy posted:People are idiots. That kind of poll is genuinely worthless, because people's answers to those kinds of questions don't ever consistently line up with how they vote (or say they vote.) People are too dumb to give internally consistent answers to "Will you vote for this person?" and "Do you trust this person most to do (X hugely important thing)?" even in the same poll.
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ReidRansom posted:Yeah that was pretty messed up and almost makes me feel a bit of sympathy towards guards and even cops and poo poo. OK, maybe some of them are power tripping assholes to begin with and that's why they seek out those jobs, but some just get turned that way by the job itself. Y'all have read about the Stanford Prison Experiment right?
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zoux posted:Y'all have read about the Stanford Prison Experiment right?
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zoux posted:Y'all have read about the Stanford Prison Experiment right? I thought that while interesting the Stanford Prison Experiment has been found to have serious flaws?
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Mr Hootington posted:gently caress. Was hoping for this to be the starting point and we would end up at $12 with readjustments at the state level for inflation every "X" years. spoiler: any increase is going to pass on an entirely party line vote, so whatever's in the democratic platform is gonna be the increase that we wind up with, if any
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Kilroy posted:So, how do us USPOL goons feel about finally and with utter certainty being only the second-worst electorate in the Anglosphere? I mean, it might only last four months, but I'll be enjoying it while I can It sucks. A year ago I was joking to my brother in law about why he should bother moving here from the UK when we are going to elect a guy who is just going to kick him out again. Since then we learned that David Cameron hosed a dead pig, and now he's wrecked the world economy. How can we top that, even with Trump?
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zoux posted:Y'all have read about the Stanford Prison Experiment right? this is the one where they voted to name the bear Wojtek, right?
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Pretty sure the MJ article itself mentions it. I haven't read it yet because I don't want to be mega depressed and mad this weekend.
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Mr Hootington posted:gently caress. Was hoping for this to be the starting point and we would end up at $12 with readjustments at the state level for inflation every "X" years. $12 is Clinton's and I think Obama's. Not sure why you would think that way.
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theblackw0lf posted:$12 is Clinton's and I think Obama's. Not sure why you would think that way. You see they're only doing that to get people to vote for them so they'll just never do it once they win.
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theblackw0lf posted:$12 is Clinton's and I think Obama's. Not sure why you would think that way. I know they advocate for it, but if it has to pass the senate without a super majority of Dem seats there would have to compromise with republicans on that and not have to include tax cuts or some insane deregulation. Edit: and this doesn't even factor in who controls the house.
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Mr Hootington posted:I thought that while interesting the Stanford Prison Experiment has been found to have serious flaws? Uhhh yeah you could say that...
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http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/the-real-lesson-of-the-stanford-prison-experiment Eh I guess he wasn't exactly manipulating others but he definitely had a plan to abuse people. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Mr Hootington posted:I know they advocate for it, but if it has to pass the senate without a super majority of Dem seats there would have to compromise with republicans on that and not have to include tax cuts or some insane deregulation. Well it doesn't really. There's nothing in the constitution that says we have to have cloture rules in the Senate, but I mean Mitt Romney has been supportive of $12/hr so it's not like it's a foreign concept to Republicans. Now the house is a bigger obstacle, but they're not likely to go along with anything anyway so its a moot point.
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greatn posted:Why the gently caress would you want the sun to go down at loving 5 in the afternoon? If you live in Texas. 
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Hollismason posted:Didn't it come out later though that it was one guy who was manipulating others in the Experiment into being tremendous assholes? Like on the Guard side of things. Yeah the main antagonistic guard came out and said that he basically tried to conduct his own experiment to see how far other people would follow him in degrading other people, and to that affect is why he adopted the whole man with no eyes persona from Cool Hand Luke. Whether or not that invalidates a lot of Zimbardos findings is up for debate. Also I think a few of the guards said that they acted far more aggressive than normal because they felt that it was what Zimbardo wanted to see from them. If I recall correctly it's one of the main criticisms of the experiment that Zimbardo was far from a neutral observer and actively influenced the outcome through his actions. Hopefully someone with a bit more background knowledge can flesh that out though
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Good for him. Good on Cameron allowing guys like Trump a fair shake. 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Well it doesn't really. There's nothing in the constitution that says we have to have cloture rules in the Senate, but I mean Mitt Romney has been supportive of $12/hr so it's not like it's a foreign concept to Republicans. Yeah the business wing of both parties seem to have come around to a increase. I was figuring after the trump disaster the sane elements of the republican party might try to govern again. This won't happen, but one can dream.
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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/746442036476264449 Just 62 more years guys.
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Evil Fluffy posted:People are idiots. Sidenote, Hillary is really loving good at this twitter war stuff. I approve.
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zoux posted:I don't really buy the "VP helps the ticket" theory. At best it's going to win you a couple of news cycles and at worst it will utterly sink and discredit your campaign. VP is presidential life insurance / assassination detractor.
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Crosspost from the right-wing media thread: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/746452315213828097 One of Obama's really interesting legacies is going to be the huge leaps in LGBT rights that happened in an astoundingly short amount of time.
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fade5 posted:Sidenote, Hillary's 20-something intern is really loving good at this twitter war stuff. I approve.
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Pokemaster #421 posted:Yeah the main antagonistic guard came out and said that he basically tried to conduct his own experiment to see how far other people would follow him in degrading other people, and to that affect is why he adopted the whole man with no eyes persona from Cool Hand Luke. Whether or not that invalidates a lot of Zimbardos findings is up for debate. Also I think a few of the guards said that they acted far more aggressive than normal because they felt that it was what Zimbardo wanted to see from them. If I recall correctly it's one of the main criticisms of the experiment that Zimbardo was far from a neutral observer and actively influenced the outcome through his actions. Hopefully someone with a bit more background knowledge can flesh that out though I'm not a social scientist or a psychologist, so this is probably a dumb question, but what is it about these motivations that are unique to the experiment, especially the second? In a real prison setting, the warden/senior guards/long time staff are less than neutral observers and might create the same environment, no? Or random guards coming in and intentionally assuming a hard-rear end persona while at work seems like a thing that people would do.
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Hey, she's looking out for that wonderful internet warrior. By not naming names, he/she/etc. can continue to fight the good fight effectively.
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Part of leadership is picking people who can do a thing better than you to do it, I suppose.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:To be entirely frank, that's a good thing. I have not seen or heard credible evidence that a national hike to $15 is a good idea. Have you seen Inequality for All? Jesus, these comments. It's all hanging and guillotine and firing squads, not a single mention of "hey, we don't need the death penalty, we're better than that." Die Sexmonster! fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/746442036476264449 I don't think you understand how this works but its closer to 40 I think. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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ReidRansom posted:The piece is great, btw, though long, and anyone who hasn't read it should go do so. So many questions in this stupid Gawker Q&A from people who blatantly did not read the piece, jesus christ. I got my master's degree in public health initially out of a desire to work on justice reform, particularly from an epi standpoint, in the U.S., but some of the initial forays I made into the field from a research standpoint literally scared me off. Hidingfromgoro isn't around but his old thread was super good, modern incarnation here, it's just not very active any more.
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ReidRansom posted:Yeah that was pretty messed up and almost makes me feel a bit of sympathy towards guards and even cops and poo poo. OK, maybe some of them are power tripping assholes to begin with and that's why they seek out those jobs, but some just get turned that way by the job itself. http://www.theonion.com/article/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove--33427 ACAB
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Have you seen Inequality for All? yes.
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In that, Reich points out that if the minimum wage were indexed to productivity, today's minimum should be $20/hr, based on the GDP when it came out. Why would you be against $15?
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:In that, Reich points out that if the minimum wage were indexed to productivity, today's minimum should be $20/hr, based on the GDP when it came out. Why would you be against $15? Because he's not exactly right about half of that poo poo, nor does he take into account the many variations in regional economic factors that would make a $15/hr national wage problematic.
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