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Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

Aaronicon posted:

QUANTUM SLIPSTREAM

it's always bothered me that later on when they try and use the Quantum Slipstream and Voyager crashes (Inside the alpha quadrant) that when future Harry Kim changes the signal that made Voyager crash into one that makes it exit Slipstream safely they have only traveled like 3 years / some insignificant distance.

That's just lovely writing. The super fast exit that smacked them into an alpha quadrant moon being turned into like a regular speed exit means like 65,000 lightyears difference?

No, they just wanted it so that when Voyager was destroyed by the uncontrolled exit it was plausible that Harry Kim made it back to earth (so they had to crash near Earth) but when everything worked out and the show needed to go on they didn't really go anywhere.

Cthulu Carl posted:

I think the best Mama Troi episode is on DS9 where she's so eager to jump Odo's goo she psychically infects everyone with a disease that makes them want to jump whoever they have a crush on.

Then Jadzia figures something's up but instead of saying "hey, something's up" she pranks Sisko by making him think Dax has jungle fever.

Sisko is the best captain just because when he went to the mirror universe he actually hosed Mirror Jadzia. There wasn't any moral dilemma or anything.

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Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Fat Shat Sings posted:

Sisko is the best captain just because when he went to the mirror universe he actually hosed Mirror Jadzia. There wasn't any moral dilemma or anything.

I hope he called her Old Man, too.

He just goes with the flow that entire episode. Kidnapped by mirror universe O'Brien? Well, that's rude, but whatever. Asked to impersonate his violent doppelganger? Well, I might as well since I'm here. Beat Bashir's face in? Now we're talkin'! Plow Jadzia? Ha! Like you even have to ask.

Dude's only moral dilemmas that trip were A) Does he bang Kira, too? And B) Does he bring Jennifer back because mirror universe bitches are definite into some freaky-rear end poo poo.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
Crazy digging for treasure in the desert Sisko best Sisko.

plushpuffin
Jan 10, 2003

Fratercula arctica

Nap Ghost

Volcott posted:

Crazy digging for treasure in the desert Sisko best Sisko.

Crazy digging for treasure in the desert Sisko vs Pissed off about his ruined peppers Sisko, who would win?

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

Volcott posted:

Crazy digging for treasure in the desert Sisko best Sisko.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it


If I ever get to go to space I'm headed straight for Harry Mudd's sexbot planet. Imagine, a man who could be outside all day mowing the space grass and still come in with balls that smell like GI Joe's.

criscodisco fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 24, 2016

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Fat Shat Sings posted:

it's always bothered me that later on when they try and use the Quantum Slipstream and Voyager crashes (Inside the alpha quadrant) that when future Harry Kim changes the signal that made Voyager crash into one that makes it exit Slipstream safely they have only traveled like 3 years / some insignificant distance.

That's just lovely writing. The super fast exit that smacked them into an alpha quadrant moon being turned into like a regular speed exit means like 65,000 lightyears difference?

No, they just wanted it so that when Voyager was destroyed by the uncontrolled exit it was plausible that Harry Kim made it back to earth (so they had to crash near Earth) but when everything worked out and the show needed to go on they didn't really go anywhere.

I can forgive that because they were doing so under pressure (currently getting shot at), were doing it by the seat of their pants and had no real way to practice it ahead of time especially since they only just salvaged the parts needed to do it, and were more concerned with preventing the ship's destruction above all other concerns.

The real crime of the episode was having it star the two worst characters played by the two worst actors. (Or at least the two actors who cared the least about their roles)

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Good news! The new Bryan Fuller Star Trek series is going full loving Hannibal.

http://www.avclub.com/article/anyth...fault:1:Default

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Automatic Slim posted:

Good news! The new Bryan Fuller Star Trek series is going full loving Hannibal.

http://www.avclub.com/article/anyth...fault:1:Default

oh yeah!

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

BattleMaster posted:

I can forgive that because they were doing so under pressure (currently getting shot at), were doing it by the seat of their pants and had no real way to practice it ahead of time especially since they only just salvaged the parts needed to do it, and were more concerned with preventing the ship's destruction above all other concerns.

The real crime of the episode was having it star the two worst characters played by the two worst actors. (Or at least the two actors who cared the least about their roles)

Nah, like, okay......

They test their quantum slipstream drive with the leading shuttle (piloted by Harry) and have instability that causes them to exit slipstream and smack into a planet (near earth)

so Harry from the future sends a signal back so that

They test their quantum slipstream drive with the leading shuttle (piloted by Harry) and have instability that a signal tells them how to deal with so that they safely exit to real space (barely moved)

My point is that because of lovely writing the same thing makes them do two different things based on plot. If it was consistent they would have arrived near earth safely instead of crashing the second attempt. Or barely moved but still died on the first attempt. They completely changed the outcome of the entire point of the episode purely because the plot needed resolved.

You coulda wrote a story where Harry never left the Delta Quadrant and bam, makes sense. But I guess the writer was like "Well how is Harry going to get time travel technology if he doesn't make it back to Earth?!" so he travels 65,000 light years after 5 minutes in the slipstream the first time, then after 5 minutes the second time (only changing how they exit the slipstream) they just go back to episode reset status with nothing changing.







What I'm saying is Voyagers bad

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

I could forgive a lot of things about VOY had they let us see what happened when people got back to Earth. Nope. "We made it!" Fade Out.

What was great about MASH's finale is that we got to see the characters dealt with the end. Have time to say goodbye to them. Everything about this show sucked.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Automatic Slim posted:

I could forgive a lot of things about VOY had they let us see what happened when people got back to Earth. Nope. "We made it!" Fade Out.
That would have cut into their sick Borg screen time.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Good.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Automatic Slim posted:

I could forgive a lot of things about VOY had they let us see what happened when people got back to Earth. Nope. "We made it!" Fade Out.

What was great about MASH's finale is that we got to see the characters dealt with the end. Have time to say goodbye to them. Everything about this show sucked.

You aren't wrong but the Voyager characters were such garbage that I don't think it would have made for good TV.

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
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Even mentioning MASH in a post about Voyager is in really bad taste. What did MASH do to you?

But seriously, the characters weren't really deep enough for this stuff to even matter. In MASH you saw changes, not only in the show and the format, but also in that the characters had an actual arc (personal and with each other) and didn't run into some invisible reset button at the end of each episode. There was a bit of Alda-Wankery in the later years and some episodes there were also a bit too heavy on the moralistic finger-wiggling but it was an amazing show for it's time and even if it's a lot older, still a lot better than Voyager. I don't think anyone ever put two thoughts into Voyager, from the writing staff to the viewer. It's Star Trek branded Fast Food.

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

Police Automaton posted:

Even mentioning MASH in a post about Voyager is in really bad taste. What did MASH do to you?

But seriously, the characters weren't really deep enough for this stuff to even matter. In MASH you saw changes, not only in the show and the format, but also in that the characters had an actual arc (personal and with each other) and didn't run into some invisible reset button at the end of each episode. There was a bit of Alda-Wankery in the later years and some episodes there were also a bit too heavy on the moralistic finger-wiggling but it was an amazing show for it's time and even if it's a lot older, still a lot better than Voyager. I don't think anyone ever put two thoughts into Voyager, from the writing staff to the viewer. It's Star Trek branded Fast Food.

Janeway explaining to her husband that she has been loving a holographic irish bartender for a few years would have been pretty funny.

Or wait did he leave her while she was deployed? Or am I thinking of Stargate Atlantis and Starship Troopers where that happened?

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
They make Janeway an admiral because she's way too dangerous to be anything but a bureaucrat, the end.

(Yeah, her fiancee moved on because everyone thought they were super dead.)

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

Fat Shat Sings posted:

Janeway explaining to her husband that she has been loving a holographic irish bartender for a few years would have been pretty funny.

Or wait did he leave her while she was deployed? Or am I thinking of Stargate Atlantis and Starship Troopers where that happened?

"You've been loving Miles O'BRIEN?!"
"No, I said a HOLOGRAPHIC IRISH BARTENDER."
"Oh, I thought you said an 'Homicidal Irish Barfly.' That's okay, then..."

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Reminder that, out there somewhere, a lonely EMH backup begins his 65 year voyage to find out how badly Janeway hosed up.

Too bad Axanar hosed up the fan films, because EMH: Voyager sounds like a lucrative venture.

ramenpower
May 6, 2007

Society must take every means at its disposal to defend itself against the emergence of a parallel power which defies the elected power
I'd watch Robert Picardo on a shuttle, picking up the pieces and eventually amassing huge political and military support as he makes his way back to the alpha quadrant.

psychokitty
Jun 29, 2010

=9.9=
MEOW
BITCHES


:agreed:

like whoa

Bloodfart McCoy
Jul 20, 2007

That's a high quality avatar right there.
During "The Search" two-parter from DS9, all I could think about was how much Baroth reminded me of Freddie Mercury circa "I Want To Break Free."





Must be the fairy ears.

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




I just watched the Tuvix episode.

He was murdered.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
Janeway did nothing wrong.

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

criscodisco posted:

Janeway did nothing wrong.

Tuvok is cool and all but bringing Neelix back to life is like being double hitler

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Temper Trudeau posted:

I'd watch Robert Picardo on a shuttle, picking up the pieces and eventually amassing huge political and military support as he makes his way back to the alpha quadrant.

I don't remember where in the show that episode happened, but I imagine he'll have trouble tracing Voyager's steps whenever they got a shortcut from Q, Kes, Transwarp Device, etc.

psychokitty
Jun 29, 2010

=9.9=
MEOW
BITCHES

Q was so much fun

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

psychokitty posted:

Q was so much fun

Can't believe Janeway let her crew stay stuck in the Delta Quadrant because she wouldn't bone him.

And then it turns out boning was just touching fingers.

Like Jesus Christ, if I were in that situation I'd bang Neelix's back holes or whatever the gently caress he has if it meant I got to go home.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

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Gotta nuke something
'Scuse me, I got a delivery for a Gene-Luck Pickard.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
I would have nailed Q anyway, even without the bonus of a trip home. How good would sex with a Q (or John Delancie) pretty much have to be?

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Vache didn't seem to miffed by the loss of that continuum dick so honestly I think Q hosed by snapping his fingers and making you orgasm.

Or dropping you into a moonscape battlefield against a legion of boar-faced french soldiers.

Either way he probably talked a better game than he delivered. Mrs. Q herself was obviously getting mad side penis.

psychokitty
Jun 29, 2010

=9.9=
MEOW
BITCHES

criscodisco posted:

I would have nailed Q anyway, even without the bonus of a trip home. How good would sex with a Q (or John Delancie) pretty much have to be?

IKR super hot

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it

psychokitty posted:

IKR super hot

I don't care if he was a little flabby. Lay him on his back, that poo poo'll settle into the right places.

DOMDOM
Apr 28, 2007

Fun Shoe

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

'Scuse me, I got a delivery for a Gene-Luck Pickard.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Met posted:

I don't remember where in the show that episode happened, but I imagine he'll have trouble tracing Voyager's steps whenever they got a shortcut from Q, Kes, Transwarp Device, etc.
After the Kes shortcut (so they were like 60k LY from home), but before TransWarp Quantum Trajector shortcuts or liquid metal replicants.

I'm more interested in how they copied the Mobile Emitter. Unless they plopped him in a ship full of photonic projectors.

Also gently caress that must have been a boring trip. He would have gone full rampant/V'Ger without picking up rando Neelix crewmates.

Also, that's a great episode that relies on having an alterVOY cast, and hardly any regular VOYcast...

DOMDOM
Apr 28, 2007

Fun Shoe
never noticed how bad the camera work is in season 4 of enterprise
amateur level dramatic zoom and shaky cam
good riddance

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

FilthyImp posted:

After the Kes shortcut (so they were like 60k LY from home), but before TransWarp Quantum Trajector shortcuts or liquid metal replicants.

I'm more interested in how they copied the Mobile Emitter. Unless they plopped him in a ship full of photonic projectors.

Also gently caress that must have been a boring trip. He would have gone full rampant/V'Ger without picking up rando Neelix crewmates.

Also, that's a great episode that relies on having an alterVOY cast, and hardly any regular VOYcast...

the liquid metal replicant episode was depressing. and stupid. mostly stupid.

"We somehow created an entire functional starship out of our liquid metal and forgot, oh no we are falling apart and need help, lets rush to actual voyager"

then voyager arrives to find a big puddle of liquid metal in space like "Well whatever"

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Automatic Slim posted:

I could forgive a lot of things about VOY had they let us see what happened when people got back to Earth. Nope. "We made it!" Fade Out.

What was great about MASH's finale is that we got to see the characters dealt with the end. Have time to say goodbye to them. Everything about this show sucked.

Should have been a season, or at least a few shows, dedicated to things like Janeway facing court martial for all the poo poo she pulled, Chakotay and the Maquis crewmembers being put on trial for being terrorists, and Seven of Nine and the Doctor meeting up with the TNG crew who have experience of dealing with former Borg and sentient machines. Oh, and an episode where Neelix dies over and over again until he figures out its because no one ever liked him.

As an aside, I worked in a video rental place for a while, back when they existed. One customer only ever rented porn and Voyager tapes. It wasn't the porn I looked down on him for.

Blood Shart
Sep 23, 2010

Temper Trudeau posted:

I'd watch Robert Picardo on a shuttle, picking up the pieces and eventually amassing huge political and military support as he makes his way back to the alpha quadrant.

Bet he made it back faster than Janeway did since he actually wanted to get back home.

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ramenpower
May 6, 2007

Society must take every means at its disposal to defend itself against the emergence of a parallel power which defies the elected power

Tectonis posted:

Bet he made it back faster than Janeway did since he actually wanted to get back home.

He would also most likely land an Admiralship as well, upon bringing back to the alpha quadrant a fleet of followers. Instead of reading through years of crew logs, starfleet would have a whole population of aliens to study.

Also, regarding the the 'beyond the last episode' talk, I think 7 would have been dissected to see how a long established Borg drone was able to be freed from the collective, and the trial of the century would be all about whether the Doctor should have his memory banks wiped like a droid from Star Wars.

Was his mobile emitter just a relay for his program or was it able to fit his entire program, even after the modifications they made to him so he wouldn't lose his mind?

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