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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum?
This poll is closed.
Remain - Keep Britane Strong! 328 15.40%
Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! 115 5.40%
Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy 506 23.76%
Leave - But only because the EU is terrible 157 7.37%
Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea 61 2.86%
I'm not going to vote 19 0.89%
I'm not allowed to vote 411 19.30%
Pissflaps 533 25.02%
Total: 2130 votes
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Wildstrike
Apr 8, 2007

I will gladly pay you my soul Tuesday, for a glut to the longing of my heart's desire today...

TinTower posted:

Personally, I want Corbyn to suspend the whip from the Labour Leave MPs.

Invariably, those are the MPs with the worst policies ever. Kate Hoey in particular.

Hoey's my MP and she's always all over the place in ways that make no sense. Pro-Leave when she represents the most solidly Remain area in the country outside of the City of London and Gibraltar but also saying she'll oppose a motion of no confidence in Corbyn. He would be removing the whip from one of the only MPs that has said they'll support his leadership.

It's just a constant crap shoot.

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Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Congrats Corbyn!

Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

khwarezm posted:

I was looking at the GBS thread on this issue. Has anybody else noticed how Right wing this site has gotten in the last few years?

If you post on forums all day everyone will think you're a loser and no one will listen to you and you will end up poor and disillusioned - News at 10.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Tortuga posted:

If you post on forums all day everyone will think you're a loser and no one will listen to you and you will end up poor and disillusioned - News at 10.

*posts on forums all day*

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Extreme0 posted:

It would be interesting to see if SNP Members went to Lib Dems after indepedence or at the very least, See the SNP starting to fall apart.

As for you Tintower. Where do you stand and what are you going to do?

There'll be a motion going to Brighton Conference regarding the EU. Me and my local party will almost certainly be submitting an amendment that the party should be supporting Schengen (which we tried to get in at Bournemouth last year but it didn't win the emergency motion ballot).

Calderdale has a reputation for being… incredibly awkward to the party leadership when it comes to Conference. Hilariously, though, we do have good direct relations with Tim.

Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Kurtofan posted:

*posts on forums all day*

Yes, I have conducted research into this phenomenon.

Joda
Apr 24, 2010

When I'm off, I just like to really let go and have fun, y'know?

Fun Shoe
Hey I just remembered Cameron formally apologised to Turing. So I guess he did a kinda good thing once in his career (obviously too little too late in the grand scheme of things, but it couldn't be called a bad thing to do at least.)

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Joda posted:

Hey I just remembered Cameron formally apologised to Turing. So I guess he did a kinda good thing once in his career.

Gay marriage, that's two. Not sure there's a whole lot more to list.

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

he came out as a pig fucker

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I am quite glad the scottish lib dems are on side with EU discussions, the SNP are usually at their best when they work with other parties. And I view it as a Good Thing to completely exhaust all other options before resorting to starting up the indyref circus again.

Verizian
Dec 18, 2004
The spiky one.
Was going to say a Tory pigfucker was obviously going to be in favour of gay marriage as they cannot tell the difference between homosexuality and necro-beastiality.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Joda posted:

Hey I just remembered Cameron formally apologised to Turing. So I guess he did a kinda good thing once in his career (obviously too little too late in the grand scheme of things, but it couldn't be called a bad thing to do at least.)

Being fair only because of a petition and in fact he only specifically apologised for Turing and none of the other victims of the government's homophobia.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Why is politics happening at 2am on a Sunday morning?

Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting

Wildstrike posted:

Hoey's my MP and she's always all over the place in ways that make no sense. Pro-Leave when she represents the most solidly Remain area in the country outside of the City of London and Gibraltar but also saying she'll oppose a motion of no confidence in Corbyn. He would be removing the whip from one of the only MPs that has said they'll support his leadership.

It's just a constant crap shoot.
Kate Hoey is the most unpredictable MP I've ever heard of. She's this sort of political and social libertarian mixed with an economic socialist, plus she hates Europe and wants to put controls on immigration. And all of those are only "sometimes". She represents a London constituency but voted strongly against banning fox hunting.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall#votes

Certainly someone who doesn't blindly follow the party line. I guess she averages out as "Labour", but she could be in basically any party and would still be one of their rebel MPs.

Hoops fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jun 26, 2016

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



njsykora posted:

Why is politics happening at 2am on a Sunday morning?

Because the world has gone totally insane.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

khwarezm posted:

I was looking at the GBS thread on this issue. Has anybody else noticed how Right wing this site has gotten in the last few years?

It's subforum dependent. Dnd has inherited a lot of the surviving lfposters, Gbs and tfr are conservative hell holes but in amusingly different ways, etc.

(Pet Island, of course, is plotting with the reptilian aliens.)

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
never visited tfr, or the car forum.

Ban guns and cars.

I am, however, an anime aficionados

the_homemaster
Dec 7, 2015
All Remain voters and supporters are neoliberal scum.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

the_homemaster posted:

All Remain voters and supporters are neoliberal scum.

good day to you too

lfield
May 10, 2008
There was a long period when anything even vaguely offensive would get a probation or ban in GBS, & so a lot of people complained about not being able to do jokes on a comedy forum, & the moderation got a lot more lax.

Mixed in with those people were quite a lot of actual genuine racists.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
Wanting the working class to not get massively hosed by the Tories doesn't seem like a particularly neoliberal position to me? :confused:

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



It's fascinating to me when I end up in a forum I don't usually frequent and it's like stepping onto an alien world. Posters I've never seen before, topics beyond my comprehension, in-jokes (memes) that sail over my head.

Games, PYF, and UKMT should vote to leave SA and reclaim our independence from those weirdos, is what I'm saying :colbert:

Mr. Gibbycrumbles
Aug 30, 2004

Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style
So what's the most realistic scenario which leads to Article 50 not actually being initiated?

Jygallax
Oct 17, 2011

Every human being deserves respect. Even if if they are a little different.
Yeah, GBS a few years ago was very different, there was a lot of semi-serious discussions of news articles and poo poo and it was quite straight-laced, its gone through a big transformation.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Mister Adequate posted:

It's fascinating to me when I end up in a forum I don't usually frequent and it's like stepping onto an alien world. Posters I've never seen before, topics beyond my comprehension, in-jokes (memes) that sail over my head.

Games, PYF, and UKMT should vote to leave SA and reclaim our independence from those weirdos, is what I'm saying :colbert:

You just know those fuckers in LP would vote to secede and rejoin though.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete

Ddraig posted:

I'd be quite happy to give the leave voters the Salazar treatment.



I can't keep up with this thread.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Mister Adequate posted:

Because the world has gone totally insane.

yeah I've basically felt like we've fallen into the evil mirror universe since about 2 am friday

none of it seems quite real it's like some aborted thick of it special but we're living it and grown adults voted for it

toe knee hand
Jun 20, 2012

HANSEN ON A BREAKAWAY

HONEY BADGER DON'T SCORE

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

So what's the most realistic scenario which leads to Article 50 not actually being initiated?

It's revealed that the last 40 years were just a big trick played by political scientists.

lfield
May 10, 2008

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

So what's the most realistic scenario which leads to Article 50 not actually being initiated?

Possible scenarios, none of which are that likely by themselves:

Tories fall on their sword, don't do it, eat the loss at the next GE.
Tories put it off until after the GE, a party running on a promise to not do it wins.
Some element of it needs to be voted on in parliament and it gets defeated.
Military coup?
Queen steps in?
Meteor?

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


GreyjoyBastard posted:

It's subforum dependent. Dnd has inherited a lot of the surviving lfposters, Gbs and tfr are conservative hell holes but in amusingly different ways, etc.

(Pet Island, of course, is plotting with the reptilian aliens.)

Please don't spread unfounded rumors, all pet island does is discuss how best to murder their animal slaves.

Kaislioc
Feb 14, 2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-not-works.html

quote:

The EU yesterday dealt a devastating blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s new bid for independence – by ruling out any prospect of Scotland retaining its membership when Britain leaves.

After the Brexit vote, the SNP leader said she was seeking ‘immediate discussions’ with Brussels to ‘protect Scotland’s place in the EU’.

But The Mail on Sunday can reveal that civil servants in Brussels have already ruled that the whole of the UK must exit the EU following Thursday’s shock vote.

Ms Sturgeon, speaking yesterday on the steps of Bute House in Edinburgh, called for another independence referendum during the next two years while Brexit negotiations take place, in the hope that Scotland can seamlessly remain in the EU.

But Brussels has dashed the First Minister’s hopes by confirming that even if Scotland voted for independence, it would have to reapply for EU membership.

That could take years and come with conditions – such as adopting the euro and bringing in controls at the border with England.

The issue of a ‘partial withdrawal’ was ruled out in a briefing note sent to MEPs by the European Parliamentary Research Service. The document – seen by this newspaper – confirmed that ‘part’ of a member state ‘cannot ... remain in the EU if the member state itself withdraws’.

An EU source added: ‘Article 50 is the only legal mechanism to withdraw from the EU – and this refers to a member state.’

It is a massive setback for Ms Sturgeon, who aimed to capitalise on the overwhelming Remain vote in Scotland to help boost her crusade to end the 309-year-old Union with England.

It is understood that the Scottish government had suggested it could retain membership through a so-called ‘reverse Greenland option’.

In 1982, Greenland voted to leave the EU, even though its residents are Danish citizens – and Denmark remains an EU member.

But a Brussels source said: ‘They are talking about a reverse Greenland but the rule is that you cannot have a part of a territory apply for membership.’

Another source said: ‘The atmosphere here right now is f*** the British. They are angry and they will never be willing to let the SNP in on the same terms as the UK had.

‘They would extract a price from an independent Scotland for membership.’

Scottish Conservative MEP Ian Duncan said: ‘The prospect of a partial withdrawal is unlikely to gain traction. The two regions which would most likely seek it would be Scotland and London. It is difficult to see how the EU could accommodate this request.

‘It is too soon to judge the mood of the EU institutions. The next few months will be about disentangling the whole of the UK from the EU, securing the right deal for all folks of these islands.’

Oh. :smith:

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Not exactly sure how that is a devastating blow to Scottish independence

School Nickname
Apr 23, 2010

*fffffff-fffaaaaaaarrrtt*
:ussr:

hosed up a quote posted:

I'm a :downs:

Sweet loving Jesus how do you let shitheads who've proven they're out of touch with the people (in the GE) who lost them the referendum, back in? gently caress Blairites. At least in Ireland I have politicians too sacred to cut welfare.

e; messed up the quote.

School Nickname fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jun 26, 2016

Matinee
Sep 15, 2007

CORBYN WHAT THE gently caress HAVE YOU DONE

I get that Benn's Syria Stance was an unfortunately visible moment of personal opinion (and superior Commons Rhetoric), but Corbyn's toast anyway after his weirdo 1970's policy of No Platform with anyone right of Marx or christ knows what - leading to some Labour voters literally voting the wrong way because they were confused as to the party policy.

But gently caress! Benn might have been, if not the leader, someone compelling to be in a senior position that might have appealed to a general population desperate for an opposition who would somehow be strong enough to come in and fix this entire loving mess.

I genuinely thought Corbyn was someone who would put his personal power aside for the greater good. Clearly being party leader has gone to his head.

As if he's going to be anything but a footnote in this section of British politics.

Joda
Apr 24, 2010

When I'm off, I just like to really let go and have fun, y'know?

Fun Shoe

Am I reading this right, that they're gonna try and make Scotland jump through hoops to get membership? Like having to reapply isn't news, but a lot of people have been talking about a fast-track because Scotland is already a member (at least by proxy,) and has very clearly expressed intent to stay in the union. Is there really any reason except blind malice for the EU to make the process painful for them?

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you



It was never going to be easy. The same thing would have happened if they voted for independence.


Matinee posted:

CORBYN WHAT THE gently caress HAVE YOU DONE

I get that Benn's Syria Stance was an unfortunately visible moment of personal opinion (and superior Commons Rhetoric), but Corbyn's toast anyway after his weirdo 1970's policy of No Platform with anyone right of Marx or christ knows what - leading to some Labour voters literally voting the wrong way because they were confused as to the party policy.

But gently caress! Benn might have been, if not the leader, someone compelling to be in a senior position that might have appealed to a general population desperate for an opposition who would somehow be strong enough to come in and fix this entire loving mess.

I genuinely thought Corbyn was someone who would put his personal power aside for the greater good. Clearly being party leader has gone to his head.

As if he's going to be anything but a footnote in this section of British politics.

Benn was about to roll him so he can get hosed IMO

Vengeance of Pandas
Sep 8, 2008

THE TERRIBLE POST WENT THATAWAY!

darkwasthenight posted:

Hiding on the same anonymous island gulag they've stashed Georgie on for the last week?

Pfft Georgie's overdosed in his new sex dungeon and the dominatrix has legged it leaving the corpse to rot until the neighbours complain, alas the neighbours are Russian oligarchs who bought the property as an investment and left it sitting empty.

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you


Joda posted:

Am I reading this right, that they're gonna try and make Scotland jump through hoops to get membership? Like having to reapply isn't news, but a lot of people have been talking about a fast-track because Scotland is already a member (at least by proxy,) and has very clearly expressed intent to stay in the union. Is there really any reason except blind malice for the EU to make the process painful for them?

yeah they were making all that poo poo up. Fast track in EU terms is years

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

lfield posted:

Possible scenarios, none of which are that likely by themselves:

Tories fall on their sword, don't do it, eat the loss at the next GE.
Tories put it off until after the GE, a party running on a promise to not do it wins.
Some element of it needs to be voted on in parliament and it gets defeated.
Military coup?
Queen steps in?
Meteor?
It's #3, only it's not just "Some element of it needs to be voted on in parliament and it gets defeated." it's all elements. It's an advisory referendum that has hosed Cameron and it will gently caress Boris for backing the :lol: winning :lol: team.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

yeah they were making all that poo poo up. Fast track in EU terms is years

Meh, technically Scotland is already EU bound as part of the UK, I suspect the EU would find a way to accommodate them if they successfully voted for independence. If anything, to spit in the face of the UK as they part ways.

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