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Gortarius posted:I'm just checking out a bunch of youtube clips as a summary so I have to ask: The sept blows up and then the next scene with Olenna is her in Dorne demanding vengeange? It's later on and the implication is that the Martells invited her.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:The stunning revelation of why Sansa kept the Vale army a secret : I'm like 95% sure sansa will kill lf in the end so I'm pretty sure next season she plays along and fucks him and then stabs him in the back and it'd be like that moment when lf stabbed ned in the back but in reverse
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Jun 27, 2016 07:10
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guys the episode is pretty good considering the fact that grrm most likely didn't actually write any of those parts in his books yet so dnd had to fill in for him
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Jun 27, 2016 07:11
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tin can made man posted:no, you're right, this finale was actually legit thrilling and a beautiful bit of craft and art by the people on the set, behind the camera, and in the editing room, but all that just makes the script so jarringly bad by comparison the script is godawful but they manged to make it into really entertaining tv that's guaranteed to resolve the plot of A Song of Ice and Fire before them books ever do so I'm ok with it the only scene in this episode that was super jarring and nonsensical was Varys being on the boat so that's an ok ending for a season
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Jun 27, 2016 07:12
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Darth Windu posted:Also he didn't hella eat people and enjoy it why did Arya cook two unnamed characters into a pie? have you ever tried to cook just a regular pie from scratch IRL? that's like a whole afternoon? so Arya like, spends her morning chopping up two Featured Extras that 90% of the audience couldn't pick out of a lineup if they had murdered their own son who was also a king, then making the crust, mixing the ingredients, setting the pastry and firing the oven for baking... and for what??? an extra bit of "gently caress u walder frey"? dude didn't even take a bite, she might as well have shown him a polaroid of their dead bodies for all the extra ~Vengeance~ or whatever the gently caress it gave her
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Jun 27, 2016 07:13
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Typo posted:guys the episode is pretty good considering the fact that grrm most likely didn't actually write any of those parts in his books yet so dnd had to fill in for him The documentary thing for episodes 9&10 make it sound like the sept explosion was something they came with. But then again it also fits with the books to a degree.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:14
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Jun 27, 2016 07:14
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I think it's implied that whatever Walder was eating before also had bits of Creme de Frey in it?
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Jun 27, 2016 07:15
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Linguica posted:People have been wondering for years if Varys would ever meet Dany and what Dany's reaction would be to meeting the guy who paid Jorah to betray her / send an assassin after her, but they just did it offscreen lmao maybe she didn't know Varys was there, he was standing behind her.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:16
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MrMojok posted:I think it's implied that whatever Walder was eating before also had bits of Creme de Frey in it? real subtle implication, having him eating some generic food that's onscreen for a literal second and then her bringing forth an uncut pie, him saying "where are my two sons" and her replying "your two sons are in here" and then showing a thumb inside of it. D&D are true artisans
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Jun 27, 2016 07:17
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The High Sparrow guy aced it as always. Watching his face as he realized that his faith wouldn't save him was incredible. OH boy. It's gonna be TroyFromCommunityWalksIntoRoomOnFire.gif when Dany arrives.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:17
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So Melisandre is probably going to Euron based on that new chapter.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:18
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tin can made man posted:real subtle implication, having him eating some generic food that's onscreen for a literal second and then her bringing forth an uncut pie, him saying "where are my two sons" and her replying "your two sons are in here" and then showing a thumb inside of it. D&D are true artisans agreed that this episode suffered from throwing out fan service to the dumb books
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Jun 27, 2016 07:18
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tin can made man posted:real subtle implication, having him eating some generic food that's onscreen for a literal second and then her bringing forth an uncut pie, him saying "where are my two sons" and her replying "your two sons are in here" and then showing a thumb inside of it. D&D are true artisans Cut to Hot Pie in the Frey kitchen, giving a fourth wall-breaking nod to the viewer.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:20
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The biggest case of whiplash on this show ever is having Queen of Thorns drag the Sand Snakes and then Varys hauls in and declares an alliance with Dorne-Dany. Please no. at Cersei rushing the throne to be the first queen so that Dany can't add that to her claims.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:20
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my bony fealty posted:agreed that this episode suffered from throwing out fan service to the dumb books frey pies and Ellaria/Varys tag-teaming Doran's speech from AFFC, complete with rehearsed cues and finishing each others sentences, are some really bizarre ASOIAF cargo cult poo poo happening in the GOT writers room
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Jun 27, 2016 07:21
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Typo posted:haha cersei did 9/11 the sept Was it kind of a reverse 9/11 (an 11/9?) since it was blowing up a religious building?
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Jun 27, 2016 07:23
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ashpanash posted:Was it kind of a reverse 9/11 (a 1/19?) since it was blowing up a religious building? It was really more like the Chantry blowing up in Dragon Age 2.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:23
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tin can made man posted:frey pies and Ellaria/Varys tag-teaming Doran's speech from AFFC, complete with rehearsed cues and finishing each others sentences, are some really bizarre ASOIAF cargo cult poo poo happening in the GOT writers room oh definitely, it would've been great if we could've seen those more nuanced motivations and characterizations portrayed onscreen but I can't really blame the tv writers for simplifying it into what we got because really what else were they going to do
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Jun 27, 2016 07:24
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monster on a stick posted:It was really more like the Chantry blowing up in Dragon Age 2. I have no idea what this is. So 9/11 is probably a better reference since I'm pretty sure people know what that is.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:26
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Is Meereen a constitutional monarchy now? Dany says they're going to select their own leaders. That's kind of a huge step forward in their backwards political system.monster on a stick posted:It was really more like the Chantry blowing up in Dragon Age 2. I was thinking the same thing.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:27
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my bony fealty posted:the script is godawful but they manged to make it into really entertaining tv that's guaranteed to resolve the plot of A Song of Ice and Fire before them books ever do so I'm ok with it The scene has Martell, Tyrell and Greyjoy banners on the ships so they all rendezvoused somewhere first All Varys did was go back to Dany after the entire fleet had assembled; but yes they should have made it more obvious
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Jun 27, 2016 07:29
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white sovereign from a political family conquers and ravages an eastern region, then goes home and says "you guys pick ur own leaders now" while leaving a mercenary organization behind to oversee the transition, should work out pretty okay
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Jun 27, 2016 07:29
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So the time skip poo poo has to be intentional right? I want to be the most forgiving person in the world with regards to this poo poo, but Varys was just a bridge too far. There *has* to be some poo poo going on.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:30
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ashpanash posted:I have no idea what this is. So 9/11 is probably a better reference since I'm pretty sure people know what that is. Wildfire doesn't melt steel beams though.
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Jun 27, 2016 07:32
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ashpanash posted:I have no idea what this is. So 9/11 is probably a better reference since I'm pretty sure people know what that is. You're talking to nerds, we need video game references to understand stuff.
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tin can made man posted:white sovereign from a political family conquers and ravages an eastern region, then goes home and says "you guys pick ur own leaders now" while leaving a mercenary organization behind to oversee the transition, should work out pretty okay kater posted:So the time skip poo poo has to be intentional right? I want to be the most forgiving person in the world with regards to this poo poo, but Varys was just a bridge too far. There *has* to be some poo poo going on. Lycus posted:You're talking to nerds, we need video game references to understand stuff. Dragon Age explicitly rips off ASOIAF so much that it's just kind of funny seeing the show do something that DA did first.
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monster on a stick posted:Wildfire doesn't melt steel beams though. Are you suggesting it was a hologram?
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ashpanash posted:Are you suggesting it was a hologram? Wouldn't that make sense?
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Oiled and Ready posted:The scene has Martell, Tyrell and Greyjoy banners on the ships so they all rendezvoused somewhere first my general feeling is that there was plenty of time to establish these thing earlier in the season, e.g. varys could have left mereen in episode 2 and had a scene with olenna tyrell instead of the dumb ramsay/osha murder couple minutes, but i'm not the one writing emmy-award-winning television vv you could've though if the pacing was better, i.e. killing loris and then mace to isolate marg and force olenna into it my bony fealty fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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my bony fealty posted:my general feeling is that there was plenty of time to establish these thing earlier in the season, e.g. varys could have left mereen in episode 2 and had a scene with olenna tyrell instead of the dumb ramsay/osha murder couple minutes, but i'm not the one writing emmy-award-winning television Olenna wouldn't have allied with Varys before the death of her family, and you couldn't kill off her family until the finale. They could've had a scene with Varys and Ellaria earlier, I guess, but that'd be more Dorne, and no one wants that. Olenna doesn't even want to hear the Dornish characters speak.
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monster on a stick posted:Wouldn't that make sense? And what happened to building VII?
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tin can made man posted:why did Arya cook two unnamed characters into a pie? have you ever tried to cook just a regular pie from scratch IRL? that's like a whole afternoon? so Arya like, spends her morning chopping up two Featured Extras that 90% of the audience couldn't pick out of a lineup if they had murdered their own son who was also a king, then making the crust, mixing the ingredients, setting the pastry and firing the oven for baking... and for what??? an extra bit of "gently caress u walder frey"? dude didn't even take a bite, she might as well have shown him a polaroid of their dead bodies for all the extra ~Vengeance~ or whatever the gently caress it gave her She'd been at the Frey's keep since Jamie visited at least, she was probably trying to decide if she could kill him while she was staring at him, she probably infiltrated it when he showed up with an army, but decided against killing him as it might have compromised getting Freys (also because she might not have had the opportunity or enough recon yet). I can only assume she stayed there working as a servant in the kitchen figuring out the regular schedule of Walder Frey and his sons, waiting until the moment was right to kill them. Since she's in the kitchen anyway as a servant she's still gotta cook, and what better way to get revenge than feeding him his own sons, which is ~*~*poetic~*~ in that she's serving him the food, and the reason Walders betrayl of Robb was so messed up was it was after he'd given them guest right by feeding them. Also I figured it's kind of implied that Walder had already eaten some of his son via whatever else he had been eating.
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Is the significance of the white raven just that they only send a white one if the message is "Winter is Here?"
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my bony fealty posted:my general feeling is that there was plenty of time to establish these thing earlier in the season, e.g. varys could have left mereen in episode 2 and had a scene with olenna tyrell instead of the dumb ramsay/osha murder couple minutes, but i'm not the one writing emmy-award-winning television Episode 10 has usually been a few choice reveals but mainly a detente from episode 9s. This episode was shocking even though the events were predictable given enough time....that sept explosion after a long musical build-up and the immediate knowledge half the KL cast has been disintegrated was amazing, and if it was done earlier it would have overshadowed other events.
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Nichael posted:(without ever discovering the leader of the Sons of the Harpies) nah, this was done in the show when Undisputed Master of Spycraft Varys captured some prostitute and was all "who is leading our enemy???" and she responds "your other enemies" and he goes "ah, good, now off I go to Dorne"
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Jun 27, 2016 07:41
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Betting Jon makes the Nightfort his seat in S7.
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tin can made man posted:nah, this was done in the show when Undisputed Master of Spycraft Varys captured some prostitute and was all "who is leading our enemy???" and she responds "your other enemies" and he goes "ah, good, now off I go to Dorne" I forgot that. I think your version of the script for that scene should be submitted for an Emmy though.
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Ace of Baes posted:She'd been at the Frey's keep since Jamie visited at least, she was probably trying to decide if she could kill him while she was staring at him, she probably infiltrated it when he showed up with an army, but decided against killing him as it might have compromised getting Freys (also because she might not have had the opportunity or enough recon yet). I can only assume she stayed there working as a servant in the kitchen figuring out the regular schedule of Walder Frey and his sons, waiting until the moment was right to kill them. Since she's in the kitchen anyway as a servant she's still gotta cook, and what better way to get revenge than feeding him his own sons, which is ~*~*poetic~*~ in that she's serving him the food, and the reason Walders betrayl of Robb was so messed up was it was after he'd given them guest right by feeding them. this is a cool theory and if the writers/directors even had even halfway the same idea and any sort of competence it would have been reflected in the actual product. also, walder didn't even take a bite before Arya is all "lol, its ur sons" MrMojok posted:Is the significance of the white raven just that they only send a white one if the message is "Winter is Here?" They also sent a white one three or four years ago to say "Summer's over, winter's almost here" and they, as mentioned by someone else, didn't know who was in charge of the Wall when a dozen other characters did so who knows what the gently caress the Maesters are doing in the show
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I could've sworn he was eating something as she walked up to him. Speaking of seasons, are Westerosi autumns and springs equal in length to summers and winters? Seems like they're a lot shorter.
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