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Tautologicus posted:because you have a schedule and a lifestyle that is at odds with your actual constitution, and you're fighting that conflict with drugs. It certainly would be nice to have a job that pays as well as my current one does if I could start at 3am and leave at 11am. Not to mention ADD and depression causing me to have a lot of stressful circular thoughts from 2am until about 6am because there is literally nothing to do outside during that chunk of time.
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Mirthless posted:I have to take ambien 7-14 days /mo on average thanks to my totally made up bipolar mania flooding my brain with imaginary dopamine nonstop when I'm trying to sleep I'm sorry mate all of that is made up globalist nonsense. Have you tried the proven method of self reliance and positive thinking ?
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Just will yourself to sleep, you lazy person .
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can old people just die already, christ
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Tautologicus posted:So how come every class of drug that treats depression for example treats a different chemical than the last class. Someone coming into a psychiatrist's office isn't complaining of health problems, they are complaining of adjustment issues, adjustment to themselves and society. They are diagnosed not with laboratory tests but via question and answer. Then they are given drugs. This is exactly what Szasz says in that essay. Because not every type of depression is the same. SSRIs won't work for someone whose depression is rooted in dopamine production. This is like saying the flu isn't real because they have to come up with a new vaccine every year. My ability to adjust to society is a problem I can work through with therapy but I won't stop feeling depression or anxiety, my manic swings won't go away, just because I have the therapeutic tools to function around them. That is what drugs are for. No psychiatrist will write you a prescription and tell you you don't need therapy afterwards. quote:They have not found a certain biological basis for any of these "illnesses", and IF THEY DID, the illnesses would ought to be treated through a psychiatrist, but through a neurologist, such as they do for diseases like Parkinson's. This is incorrect for reasons I've already stated. Psychiatrists have doctorates and aren't lesser doctors than a Neurologist. Neurologists don't treat diseases like depression because they treat physical diseases based on the behavior of the nervous system, a mental illness behaves differently than parkinsons and requires different treatment. quote:What they see in the brain are the effects of certain mental and societal maladaptations and then they treat those effects via drugs, but they surely haven't found the biological causes of them. It's true that the effects of these drugs and MAOs are understood poorly but the effects of certain mental and societal maladaptations are felt differently by different people and particularly different by those people who have totally illusionary and not real mental disorders. You still don't seem to know what the gently caress you're talking about and as this conversation goes I can see it is more and more willful by the second. Denying your diagnosis doesn't make it go away. Steve Jobs couldn't will away his cancer by refusing to believe it was real until it had almost killed him. Is it going to take a suicide attempt to get you to admit you have a problem you can't work through on your own? quote:Because what if biology is a two way street? It very much is. The environment affects one's biology just as much as the environment affects one's sense of self and belonging and so on. If one feels a certain way, of course there would be a reflection within one's biology. This does not therefore mean that the biology was obviously the starting point for that feeling. If ones environment is bad, or one has a bad attitude about their environment, one's serotonin and dopamine levels may be low. Yes, environment affects one's biology, at least mentally speaking, which is why emotional trauma has such a deep connection to mental illness. The problem is that this biological change is usually tied to the developing brain (or severe trauma as an adult, the kind that physically scars the brain) and cannot be reversed. That's where all that MDMA/LSD/Psilocibin research went - Timothy Leary in particular spent a great deal of time experimenting with LSD with his patients, he convinced himself that he could use LSD to restore the pliable condition of the brain in youth and use it to re-map the brain to reverse the trauma. I understand this worked very well for some people, but by and large it was very damaging both to the science of mental health and his patients. quote:So it's not some obvious thing from which all modern science has moved on from. They moved around Szasz, they ignored him. They understand those drugs poorly, yes, but they also understand that they work which sort of fucks up Szasz' theory
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euphronius posted:Just will yourself to sleep, you lazy person . I can't speak for Mirthless, but I have no problem getting to sleep, 2am (sometimes 3 if I'm lucky) when I'm unmedicated is the magical time where I'm wide awake, and not getting back to sleep until about 3:00 (when I'm at work and that's not really conductive).
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only drugs that you should ever take: alcohol and caffeine.
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Karl Barks posted:can old people just die already, christ Considering I live in the greater Cincinnati area, I'm surprised there aren't more protesters.
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Baloogan posted:only drugs that you should ever take: alcohol and caffeine. alcoholics are literally the worst kind of person
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Serious chat : I like the one hour or so I'm awake from like 2-3 am. Peaceful. I check Twitter
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Looks like one of those "I want the final say" posts so you can have it. Also I like how you deleted it off the last page and put it on this one, just to make sure I saw it. I saw it before, I am an attentive forums poster with skillful and adept use of my scroll wheel.
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Baloogan posted:only drugs that you should ever take: alcohol and caffeine. Nicotine.
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Iron Crowned posted:I can't speak for Mirthless, but I have no problem getting to sleep, 2am (sometimes 3 if I'm lucky) when I'm unmedicated is the magical time where I'm wide awake, and not getting back to sleep until about 3:00 (when I'm at work and that's not really conductive). I spent five days once with the hook from Crocodile Rock playing on repeat in my head You start seeing poo poo after three days without sleep. It's really awful.
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Oh yeah forgot that one. Though I don't smoke, I wish I did.
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I've never hallucinated aside from fever dreams and psychedelics, never had a psychotic break or even a panic attack. Am I missing out? What's wrong with me?
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I'm the trump people protesting on the cracked unweeded sidewalk for more of the same everywhere
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Tautologicus posted:I've never hallucinated aside from fever dreams and psychedelics, never had a psychotic break or even a panic attack. Am I missing out? What's wrong with me? A panic attack is a heart attack that doesn't have the decency to kill you at the end, it's not very fun. Totally imaginary, though, of course zen death robot posted:Is he taking everyone's reporting about Brexit super personally because he "called it" or something? Gotta defend plucky little Conservatives and their ideas no matter where they are located Besides, it looks very bad for him if Brexit goes poorly and the media aren't helping people's public perception of Brexit. A wake up call of, "oh wait, globalism is actually a good thing" is not something Trump needs right now. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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zen death robot posted:Is he taking everyone's reporting about Brexit super personally because he "called it" or something? Maybe at this point, in his mind, it's as if it had been his idea
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I guess taut's autism is fake too. So how many times has don quit CNN?
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zen death robot posted:Is he taking everyone's reporting about Brexit super personally because he "called it" or something? It does tie directly into his economic and immigration platform though. He probably sees its success as a harbinger of his own, particularly since the result was unexpected by the media elite.
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So how long does it take Trump to punch himself in the face on abortion instead of keeping his stupid mouth shut?
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Mirthless posted:A panic attack is a heart attack that doesn't have the decency to kill you at the end, it's not very fun. You really misunderstand everything Szasz is saying. He never says the symptoms are imaginary. What's mythological is the way we package those symptoms when we talk about them. Read the essay again, otherwise you're doing yourself a disservice by typing so much at strawmen
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Joementum posted:It does tie directly into his economic and immigration platform though. He probably sees its success as a harbinger of his own, particularly since the result was unexpected by the media elite. it seems like most Americans view brexit as a bad thing?
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zen death robot posted:You have your own news network now baloogan? http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/Geoscape2008News:Baloogan_Report
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Al! posted:it seems like most Americans view brexit as a bad thing? What are you basing that on? I'd guess most Americans don't know what it is. They might hear Trump telling them it's about declaring economic independence from the Mexicans, Chinese, and (((globalists))) and think, "Hmm, sounds good."
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Joementum posted:What are you basing that on? I'd guess most Americans don't know what it is. They might hear Trump telling them it's about declaring economic independence from the Mexicans, Chinese, and (((globalists))) and think, "Hmm, sounds good." Most americans don't watch cable news networks or read newspapers, which have all been talking about it nonstop? Mannnnn I like to give people a LITTLE bit more credit than that
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Iron Crowned posted:It certainly would be nice to have a job that pays as well as my current one does if I could start at 3am and leave at 11am. Not to mention ADD and depression causing me to have a lot of stressful circular thoughts from 2am until about 6am because there is literally nothing to do outside during that chunk of time. The drugs increase your output making you a better slave.
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Three Olives posted:So how long does it take Trump to punch himself in the face on abortion instead of keeping his stupid mouth shut? The day after the convention where he wins the nomination completely only to pivot by mentioning the multiple abortions all of his women have had. I keep thinking that's going to be an October Surprise designed to undermine the fundies' faith in him.
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Joementum posted:What are you basing that on? I'd guess most Americans don't know what it is. They might hear Trump telling them it's about declaring economic independence from the Mexicans, Chinese, and (((globalists))) and think, "Hmm, sounds good." poo poo I barely knew what it was until the msm started shouting "UK FUCKS ITS OWN ECONOMY"
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DrPlump posted:The drugs increase your output making you a better slave. They also allow me to hold a job. I mean it's called funemployment for a reason, but after two weeks I get bored and start finding trouble to get into.
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Al! posted:poo poo I barely knew what it was until the msm started shouting "UK FUCKS ITS OWN ECONOMY" Trump didn't know what it was a week ago.
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brexit is a breakfast you take on the go. like a coffee and a protien bar
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Joementum posted:Trump didn't know what it was a week ago. I think he didn't know it was called "Brexit", which is a cute little media nickname, not anything real.
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Joementum posted:Trump didn't know what it was a week ago. he's been promising that the EXACT SAME THING WILL HAPPEN HERE as a morale building exercise to demonstrate that the polls have a liberal bias which is a bad thing to do when the story everyone is reading is about how dumb emotional voting hosed the UK economy
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eh i don't see the brexit having a meaningful impact on the election, outside of a massive recession / depression that directly hits the US with serious force. it's distant enough that most people will form opinions based on what they hear, and what they hear depends entirely on who is telling them. you have bits in the media talking about how the UK just shot itself and is wondering why the bullet hurt so much, and on the other side they will link it to immigration control, sovereignty, and freedom  just preaching to the choir basically, except this can be used to sum up basically american politics in general
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Iron Crowned posted:Considering I live in the greater Cincinnati area, I'm surprised there aren't more protesters. I really should have taken off work and went downtown. 
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Quote of the morning, "You want to see goofy, look at him in that hat." ~ Senator Professor Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas.
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