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AlternateNu: May 5, 2005; ドーナツダメ！

I just want to remind everyone that Thing in the Ice exists and the new Bruna/Gisela are horrors. :getin:

# ? Jun 27, 2016 16:55

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NofrikinfuN: Apr 23, 2009

Jabor posted:

Hanweir Garrison seems playable in an aggressive red deck (4 power for 3, hard to block all the damage, leaves stuff behind, keeps growing if they don't answer it - it seriously ticks a lot of boxes), and that sort of deck would consider playing Battlements.

So probably not going to happen soon given the state of red aggro, but I could see it happening in Standard at some point.

I'd like to try a RW deck with Garrison and Nahiris Machinations. Thalia's Lieutenant would work well in there too. Looks like a fun card.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 16:57

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Emerge is a super cool mechanic, I love Offering and I love not super specific offering too

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:02

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

AlternateNu posted:

I just want to remind everyone that Thing in the Ice exists and the new Bruna/Gisela are horrors.

the meld side is not a horror, oddly enough

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:03

LifeLynx: Feb 27, 2001; Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time; Grimey Drawer

The Lord of Hats posted:

Eh, all you really need for a good clue deck is Ongoing Investigation, so I think you'll still see clue stuff happen. Not nearly as much though, I'll admit.

RIP UG Clues. I'm going to make it a point to try and draft it once before EDM comes out and it's impossible.

dragon enthusiast posted:

Their justification in the articles as "we didn't know if people would like this so we played it real safe"

Meld is has "three" cards, but it's actually six cards. One more pair of cards wouldn't have hurt. I agree, they played it way too safe.

Barry Shitpeas posted:

That doesn't explain what the CMC of a meld card is, for starters

I hope it's like split cards where it's both halves but not added up.

Edit: Holy crap, look at the semi-animated Brisela on this page: http://magic.wizards.com/en/access-magic-eldritch-moon-episode-2 That's creepy as gently caress.

LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 27, 2016

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:04

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

80s James Hetfield posted:

I wonder what the dev process is like. Who comes up with "Dawn Gryff"

"Mark, I think we should make a 2/2 flyer for 2W at common"

Maro: Sound good, print it!

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You realize the commons in a set are mostly designed with Limited in mind and they do functional reprints all the time, right? Sometimes the set just wants a Wind Drake.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:09

Mouth Ze Dong: Jan 2, 2005; Aint no thing like me, 'cept me.

DangerDongs posted:

They need to give red a major push, and they won't.

They want people to cast big bad Eldrazi, and they can't do that if RDW is a thing. Once the Eldrazi start to phase out, Red will come back.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:13

The Lord of Hats: Aug 22, 2010; Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

I'm really liking Hanweir Garrison. It's a great creature on its own, and all it takes is playing a couple of colorless lands (with some minor upside), and you gain the ability to upgrade it into a huge threat. If red ends up playable (and that is a large 'if'), I think it'll get played.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:15

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DangerDongs posted:

I'm glad madness and delirium are back. I hope clues return also.

Clues really helped make it so limited games didn't become as much as draw-go stalemates.

So far from what we have seen, very limited spoilers, they broke white even further. Thalia is going to be played in Bant Humans and possibly even in W/r.
The 4 mana angel is also nutty, especially if Avacyn is coming down right after her.

They need to give red a major push, and they won't.

Edit: Emerge has potential if emerging also triggers additional effects based on what was emerged. For example, if you ate a creature with flying the emerged card also gets that ability.

Last year didn't Red pretty much win every pro tour?

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:17

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

mcmagic posted:

Last year didn't Red pretty much win every pro tour?

Although the answer to this was "yes" it wasn't close to the most dominate deck and was more of an anomaly more than anything.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:19

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Sickening posted:

Although the answer to this was "yes" it wasn't close to the most dominate deck and was more of an anomaly more than anything.

It was the T1 deck in every standard season last year. What more do you want?

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:20

Fuzzy Mammal: Aug 15, 2001; Lipstick Apathy

I don't see how red races Gisela without a lightning strike itf.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:23

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

mcmagic posted:

It was the T1 deck in every standard season last year. What more do you want?

"This color was decent 2 standard seasons ago, what more do you want?"

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:24

Niton: Oct 21, 2010; Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

mcmagic posted:

It was the T1 deck in every standard season last year. What more do you want?

Red dominated Pro Tours because pros consistently, ridiculously underestimated the ability of red decks to kill their Sweet Control Brews. Red needs the tools to be viable in formats where people are actually playing cards that are good against Red, rather than having 0 MD slots and maybe 3 SB slots for their weakest matchup.

Seriously, look back at some of those runs - those fields were irresponsibly soft against Red.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:24

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

I don't see how red races Gisela without a lightning strike itf.

Fiery Temper is probably the most efficient answer to it in the format.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:25

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

The English wording of Thalia actually does hit fetch-lands both coming and going. Definitely a contender for Modern.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:26

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Fiery Temper is probably the most efficient answer to it in the format.

Considering you need spell mastery to make this so I would figure that grasp and price are the most efficient.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:27

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Niton posted:

Red dominated Pro Tours because pros consistently, ridiculously underestimated the ability of red decks to kill their Sweet Control Brews. Red needs the tools to be viable in formats where people are actually playing cards that are good against Red, rather than having 0 MD slots and maybe 3 SB slots for their weakest matchup.

Seriously, look back at some of those runs - those fields were irresponsibly soft against Red.

IDK I like that the best aggro deck in the format doesn't always have to be Red...

Entropic posted:

The English wording of Thalia actually does hit fetch-lands both coming and going. Definitely a contender for Modern.

This seems better in Modern than the old Thalia. It's really good.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:27

Jen X: Sep 29, 2014; To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

AlternateNu posted:

I just want to remind everyone that Thing in the Ice exists and the new Bruna/Gisela are horrors.

I will forgive this almost certain development fuckup if it results in a horror tribal deck

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:28

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

mandatory lesbian posted:

Emerge is a super cool mechanic, I love Offering and I love not super specific offering too

Obviously Emerge is there to break Scornful Egotist.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:28

Niton: Oct 21, 2010; Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

mcmagic posted:

IDK I like that the best aggro deck in the format doesn't always have to be Red...

This seems better in Modern than the old Thalia. It's really good.

So give Red top-end options. Despite their best efforts, Red in standard seems to only ever be "that one aggro deck" or "the tertiary color in a control shell".

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:28

suicidesteve: Jan 4, 2006; "Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.

Entropic posted:

The English wording of Thalia actually does hit fetch-lands both coming and going. Definitely a contender for Modern.

We already knew this. That's what non-basic means.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:29

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Niton posted:

So give Red top-end options. Despite their best efforts, Red in standard seems to only ever be "that one aggro deck" or "the tertiary color in a control shell".

I'd say Chandra serves that purpose admirably

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:31

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

mcmagic posted:

IDK I like that the best aggro deck in the format doesn't always have to be Red...

The arguable "best" aggro decks have been blue and white in various recent formats. The actual deck that happens to win the pro tour isn't necessarily the "best", rather it's just the one that got luckiest and was perhaps best positioned against that particular meta on that particular day.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:31

Mouth Ze Dong: Jan 2, 2005; Aint no thing like me, 'cept me.

If a RDW existed to punishment greedily mana-based midrange decks, we could have a more defined aggro/midrange/control meta instead of this Boardstate: the Stallening horseshit we have now.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:32

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

Honestly I'd put that down to having a bunch of the strongest creatures in the format being 2/3s that can never reasonably attack into similar creatures on the opposite side of the board.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:34

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

End of Life Guy posted:

If a RDW existed to punishment greedily mana-based midrange decks, we could have a more defined aggro/midrange/control meta instead of this Boardstate: the Stallening horseshit we have now.

What do you mean greedily mana-based? GW has a very conservative manabase

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:34

legoman727: Mar 13, 2010; by exmarx

Doesn't RDW exist in the form of mono-white humans anyways?

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:35

rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

AlternateNu posted:

I just want to remind everyone that Thing in the Ice exists and the new Bruna/Gisela are horrors.

Miami Horror is like synthpop or chillwave, and as such a reference to them in EDM is ham handedat best.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:35

En Fuego: Oct 8, 2004; The Reverend

Meld is a test for contraptions and riggers for Kaldesh! Steamflogger Boss confirmed!!!

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:37

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

suicidesteve posted:

We already knew this. That's what non-basic means.

The original translation the spoiler sites had said "play" rather than "control", which would have meant fetch-lands enter tapped but the land they fetched would not.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:38

Bugsy: Jul 15, 2004; I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.; Slippery Tilde

80s James Hetfield posted:

I wonder what the dev process is like. Who comes up with "Dawn Gryff"

"Mark, I think we should make a 2/2 flyer for 2W at common"

Maro: Sound good, print it!

Reprint Mizzium Mortars

Neither Spectral Shepherd nor Shadow Glider are tearing things up right now.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:46

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

In terms of limited, I'd like a bit more zombie support from edm

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:47

Captain Capitalism: Jul 28, 2009

https://twitter.com/ElaineChase/status/747467986324193280

Seems ok

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:53

Rip_Van_Winkle: Jul 21, 2011; "When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

Captain Capitalism posted:

https://twitter.com/ElaineChase/status/747467986324193280

Seems ok

kinda neat that it's a legendary card and not just legendary creatures

worst flavor text of the century though

# ? Jun 27, 2016 17:57

MrL_JaKiri: Sep 23, 2003; A bracing glass of carrot juice!

legoman727 posted:

Things that deal with Brisela in standard in order of plausibilty.

Ob Nixlixis
Planar Outburst
Quarantine Field
Descent Upon the Sinful
CoCoing into a Reflector Mage
Reduce to Ashes or Fall of the TItans X = 10
Sleep Paralysis

...Yeah, I hope you guys enjoy playing white .

This isn't exhaustive (Humble the Brute, off the top of my head)

# ? Jun 27, 2016 18:00

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Gilt-Leaf Winnower is very marginally playable. Although the actual best way would be to hold up removal on their turn so they can't make it in the first place.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 18:01

Sigma-X: Jun 17, 2005

Captain Capitalism posted:

https://twitter.com/ElaineChase/status/747467986324193280

Seems ok

does this go in as a 1-of in Kiki-Chord to let you fetch a beater+kiki at the same time, or is just always right to fetch kiki?

# ? Jun 27, 2016 18:24

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Captain Capitalism posted:

https://twitter.com/ElaineChase/status/747467986324193280

Seems ok

It's funny that we are gonna have the tools for a good MonoW devotion deck about 18 months too late.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 18:27

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I love Escalate

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