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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Zoness posted:

nekroz (the best deck about a year? ago) was not like this at all - the deck was very redundant in its tutoring engines which worked out of the hand and graveyard and played consistently regardless of opening hand.

the cheater thing I can think of comes from infernity which is a deck that went off on being hellbent so if you had extra monsters stuck in your hand, some infernity players would start putting monsters face down in their spell zone (this is checkable at end of game but they'd just concede and pile the cards into the deck if they were being suspected of doing this to avoid the dq)

It's been a lot longer since I followed the game, Nekroz and Infernity weren't out.

The most obvious stacking I remember was a staple 1-of called Trap Dustshoot, which let you shuffle a card from your opponent's hand back into their deck, but only if they still have at least 4 cards in hand, which in Yugioh they rarely would after a turn or two. Somehow pro players all found it in their opening hand about 50% of the time. (Apparently that particular card is now banned.)

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80s James Hetfield
Jan 20, 2004

METAL UP YOUR ASS

Count Bleck posted:

Alternatively, Incinerate.

Make it Annihilating Fire....3 CMC and it can exile what it kills.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



stinkles1112 posted:

Hopefully we get a Lightning Strike or a Disintegrate in this set, it's about time for that card to come back.



(The secret is that disintegrate has always been a bad card :ssh:)

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Entropic posted:

Meld looks like a terrible gimmick to me, but I thought the same thing about normal Double-Faced Cards during original Innistrad spoilers and I was wrong. :shrug:

Yes and entwine is just a variation on Kicker.

Let's be fair: like 80% of mechanics are Kicker variants if you look at them closely enough. :v:

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



the vast majority of mechanics are either kicker or split cards and I'm not being facetious

sit on my Facebook
Jun 20, 2007

ASS GAS OR GRASS
No One Rides for FREE
In the Trumplord Holy Land

Elyv posted:

(The secret is that disintegrate has always been a bad card :ssh:)

Oops I meant Incinerate. Basically a 3 damage 2 cmc instant of some kind

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Rinkles posted:

That to me reads as bad design. I mean, as is, a really high percentage of casual players will never interact with the mechanic in actual play.

I think Dromoka's Command is another thing seriously hurting red removal, regardless of what's avaiable. GWx decks get an incidental free counter against red decks.

It's a super Timmy mechanic that has all of the parts casuals will want to use as double-rares and they made the front sides of parts of both of those actually good so they're likely to be kind of expensive.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Irony Be My Shield posted:

Disappointed they missed the opportunity to do trap cards in the end.

A giant mousetrap would've been nice. :mrgw:

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

80s James Hetfield posted:

Make it Annihilating Fire....3 CMC and it can exile what it kills.

We already have whatever that not-Ghostfire is called from BFZ. And there's Draconic Roar. But apparently straight up Lightning Strike / Searing spear is too good for Standard these days, let alone Incinerate.

Speaking of Incinerate, is it just me or are they really cutting back on Regeneration these days? There were like 3 cards total that Regenerate in BFZ block and zero so far in SOI.

Sigma-X
Jun 17, 2005

Angry Grimace posted:

Regular Art Thalia is cheesecake Thalia



Fully clothed, Flat breastplate ladies with long hair are cheesecake now?

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
I don't think thalia leveled enough vitality for a dex/faith build that's using Tranquil Walk of Peace. She should really look into using Wrath of the Gods instead.

That said I know my gimmick for my next dark souls 3 character now.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Entropic posted:

We already have whatever that not-Ghostfire is called from BFZ. And there's Draconic Roar. But apparently straight up Lightning Strike / Searing spear is too good for Standard these days, let alone Incinerate.

I don't think it's about power, they're trying to rework the colors to some extent. The best card draw in standard is black, green has no rampant growth or llanowar elves, and cheap red burn can't hit players. Idk how white and black change in this though

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


(card's art is flipped)

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Elyv posted:

I don't think it's about power, they're trying to rework the colors to some extent. The best card draw in standard is black, green has no rampant growth or llanowar elves, and cheap red burn can't hit players. Idk how white and black change in this though

White now has the best unconditional removal. And creatures. And Planeswalkers.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

Rinkles posted:



(card's art is flipped)

but i thought thalia was right handed

Thisuck
Apr 29, 2012

Spoilers
Pillbug

Rinkles posted:



(card's art is flipped)

:syoon: Looks like poo poo got real, she's well armored and ready to go, only problem is that her old tabard/cloak/cape seems like a trip hazard.

Zoness posted:

but i thought thalia was right handed



Guess that's why they flipped the art?

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Zoness posted:

but i thought thalia was right handed



Probably why they flipped the card art

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
I was kinda hoping they'd have left it and then had an instant about not being left handed.

Thisuck
Apr 29, 2012

Spoilers
Pillbug

Zoness posted:

I was kinda hoping they'd have left it and then had an instant about not being left handed.

Emrakul's corruption made everyone sinister.

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!
THALIA: There's something I ought to tell you.

EMRAKUL: Tell me.

THALIA: I'm not left-handed, either.

Errant Gin Monks
Oct 2, 2009

"Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch
:hawksin:
I'm stoked for meld. It may be very cool.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Entropic posted:

We already have whatever that not-Ghostfire is called from BFZ. And there's Draconic Roar. But apparently straight up Lightning Strike / Searing spear is too good for Standard these days, let alone Incinerate.

Speaking of Incinerate, is it just me or are they really cutting back on Regeneration these days? There were like 3 cards total that Regenerate in BFZ block and zero so far in SOI.

Incinerate is too good but apparently a card that's 3/4ths Baneslayer in a format where the removal isn't even remotely comparable to BSA's time is A-OK.

They could've at least bumped the toughness up to 4 to make it modern playable :saddowns:

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Regenerate has a lot of weird baggage and I'm surprised it survived the Magic: Origins cull.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Zoness posted:

but i thought thalia was right handed



Doesn't she have some kind of sword in both hands on the original?

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Errant Gin Monks posted:

I'm stoked for meld. It may be very cool.

I just have concerns about how well its going to be received, even as a casual-focused mechanic.

If little Timmy opens Bruna, he's gonna say "hey what does Gisela do?!" and then find out its a $20 Mythic Rare, and even then, he has no idea what the reverse side does without looking it up because of the way the double-card is designed. That was partially why I initially had believed it might just have a single reverse side, or they'd have identical reverse sides and you just stacked them (the other reason being its ugly and takes up space).

The only meld the average player is ever gonna pull off is Chittering Host.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


suicidesteve posted:

Doesn't she have some kind of sword in both hands on the original?

No that's a scabbard.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

suicidesteve posted:

Doesn't she have some kind of sword in both hands on the original?



I have no idea what you're talking about!
Why did they think this was acceptable art?

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Count Bleck posted:



I have no idea what you're talking about!
Why did they think this was acceptable art?

It's a promo and their lacking-any-shits-to-give about promo art has been well established.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
when steve argyle posted this to his blog he had unironic praising comments sooooo

I mean, it's not ~terrible~, I just don't like it.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Regenerate has a lot of weird baggage and I'm surprised it survived the Magic: Origins cull.

I think they're just keeping it around until they find a better replacement for it, much like protection. They only sparingly use those keywords these days

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
Whats with all the playable humans being female in this block?

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

Uziduke posted:

Whats with all the playable humans being female in this block?

Tentacle porn

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Uziduke posted:

Whats with all the playable humans being female in this block?

Shut up.

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake

Makes total since now.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
is anyone disappointed that theres no jace / sorin meld

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Chill la Chill posted:

No that's a scabbard.

Ahh, that makes more sense.

SoftNum posted:

It's a promo and their lacking-any-shits-to-give about promo art has been well established.

These look really nice in person. I thought about getting one for my cube but the original also looks really nice in foil so :shrug:

Archenteron
Nov 3, 2006

:marc:

TheKingofSprings posted:

They could've at least bumped the toughness up to 4 to make it modern playable :saddowns:

Then bumping the toughness up is half the problem of Standard today

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
I really like meld as a mechanic. It's the best way to do the whole merge-creatures-together effect. It's very flavorful and looks like it's going to play well. But I just know the jumbo-sized top half of the card is going to look ridiculous.

I also keep going back to this, but if I was in charge of printing meld, and the mechanic needed to be on some amount of rares, I'd only make one side (the side with the melding ability) rare and keep the other side uncommon at most*. That way it plays better in limited. As it is, the black common melded creature will be the one on the table in 95% of limited games, and that's going to taint the reception of it. I could see getting lucky and getting the Hanweir one. The red rare is probably a first pick, and the land seems like one of those middle-of-the-pack rares that I'll end up with eight of stuck in my binder. But yeah, mostly it's going to be a Chittering Host, and people are going to complain about only ever seeing that one.

* Except for awesome flavorful things like Brisela which obviously can't happen at uncommon.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Archenteron posted:

Then bumping the toughness up is half the problem of Standard today

I, for one, can't wait for the day when both players have a difficult to kill 9/10 fs vigilant lifelinking flier running into each other

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Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy

BJPaskoff posted:

I really like meld as a mechanic. It's the best way to do the whole merge-creatures-together effect. It's very flavorful and looks like it's going to play well. But I just know the jumbo-sized top half of the card is going to look ridiculous.

I also keep going back to this, but if I was in charge of printing meld, and the mechanic needed to be on some amount of rares, I'd only make one side (the side with the melding ability) rare and keep the other side uncommon at most*. That way it plays better in limited. As it is, the black common melded creature will be the one on the table in 95% of limited games, and that's going to taint the reception of it. I could see getting lucky and getting the Hanweir one. The red rare is probably a first pick, and the land seems like one of those middle-of-the-pack rares that I'll end up with eight of stuck in my binder. But yeah, mostly it's going to be a Chittering Host, and people are going to complain about only ever seeing that one.

* Except for awesome flavorful things like Brisela which obviously can't happen at uncommon.

Ironically if I see you draft one I can easily hate pick the other, since they're dfcs :(

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