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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:No, you're thinking of Fade In. If you mean better by meaning not having to read 200 pages of Shatner not talking about himself then I suppose you are right.
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criscodisco posted:It's funny because in the first season or two of TNG they regularly visited planets that didn't seem to have warp technology, like the planet that wanted to execute Wesley or the vak-seen planet. Between Who Watches the Watchers? and Riker Bangs Bebe, I got the impression that the PD was supposed to be about not introducing a society to spacefaring galactic reality before they wee good and ready. The Mintakans still jumped to gods as the most reasonable explanation of what the Enterprise could do—they didn't even have the frame of reference for being able to process what was up, and should therefore be left alone until they advance their understanding on their own. When the one Mintakans at the end is like "so now that we get it, why not leave us like two replicators and a big sack of space medicines?", I think the response was like "because that would just make you like us, no we value diversity and individual identity, so figure out your own Mintakan style utopia machines". And when they contact the Sexy Neuwirth People, it's because they're about to turn on a sub space radio that would let them pick up chatter from all sorts of space people. The Federation offers the planet's leaders and scientists the chance to ease their society into galactic society, instead of having it shock them all at once.
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my favorite prime directive moment was in nemesis when picard & friends went on their dune buggy expedition blasting mad max aliens
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Jun 27, 2016 23:41
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plushpuffin posted:We don't meddle in the middle east because we're trying to make their lives better, though. The intentions are totally different. Um excuse me we are there to spread freedom and democracy and fight terror. *drops bombs from a clear blue sky*
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Tectonis posted:We all know the PD is applied in wildly inconsistent ways throughout the franchise but overall it's a good idea IMO. Stopping asteroids or that atmosphere thing that Worf's brother was dealing with are good but showing up and trading antimatter tech for dilithium mining rights is not good. Well sure it's not good but if you (a relatively moral superpower) don't do it, the Ferengi (or whoever) will just sneak in there and do it anyway. It's not like the Feds are able to shield all the Mintakans of the galaxy from all "corrupting" influences indefinitely, so you might as well try to set them on the right path before the Nauusicans just genocide them and take their natural resources.
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Jun 27, 2016 23:48
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Hector Beerlioz posted:That was why Yeoman Rand never showed up again. I thought she had a substance abuse problem. At least before she was let go from the show. Hector Beerlioz posted:Speaking of Insurrection, the director did Executive Decision and edited pretty much ever action movie of the 90s, so it must have been an unforgettable fluke. That was Nemesis and Stuart Baird has edited some stellar movies but his directorial credits are mediocre at best. Frakes had some choice words about him but they could be sour grapes because that took the movies away from him.
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Jun 27, 2016 23:49
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Realistically the first civilization to invent warp travel would rule the rest of the galaxy anyway.
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Jun 27, 2016 23:50
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criscodisco posted:Realistically the first civilization to invent warp travel would rule the rest of the galaxy anyway. Maybe it was first invented by some idiot pacifists who gave it away to everyone else and are all dead now.
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Jun 27, 2016 23:53
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criscodisco posted:Realistically the first civilization to invent warp travel would rule the rest of the galaxy anyway. I specifically avoided the word "realistically" because we don't want to start pulling on that thread or the whole sweater will unravel. But leaving primitive races alone is up there with "seriously NO ONE is into genetic engineering?" on the list of stupid trek conceits.
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Jun 27, 2016 23:55
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Automatic Slim posted:Jeffrey Hunter went on to play Jesus and died young. That's taking a role too far.
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Jun 28, 2016 00:01
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If I found a pre-warp civilization I would meet all their leaders and be naked with a big boner the whole time and just be like "Oh this is just the way of my people" and force them to make uncomfortable eye contact with me.
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Hector Beerlioz posted:I taped that episode on vhs back when Spike tv was TNN. I used to watch those TNN blocks with my grandpa. It's actually how I watched TNG all the way through the first time. I miss the dumb Klingon ads they used to run. Not just the Lursa & Betor one, but the ones that had a bunch of photoshopped Klingons going apeshit in space.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:seriously NO ONE is into genetic engineering? no one except that federation science space station who made them future kids whose immune systems made everyone old, bashir's parents and people like them, the klingons, the romulans, the founders, the obsidian order, the caretaker, section 31, federation paediatricians to correct birth defects, federation doctors curing diseases and high school students
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chaosbreather posted:no one except that federation science space station who made them future kids whose immune systems made everyone old, bashir's parents and people like them, the klingons, the romulans, the founders, the obsidian order, the caretaker, section 31, federation paediatricians to correct birth defects, federation doctors curing diseases and high school students Well you know what I mean, the Bad Guys use it because they are Bad Guys and genetic engineering is bad and will only lead to bad things for those dumb enough to try it so it's always a fringe thing. Then again I guess every culture found and eliminated the gay gene so never mind my argument doesn't hold any water.
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No. Just enlightened enough to not be gay, regardless of genetics.
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Jun 28, 2016 02:09
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The only movie to survive World War III was GATTACA.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Well you know what I mean, the Bad Guys use it because they are Bad Guys and genetic engineering is bad and will only lead to bad things for those dumb enough to try it so it's always a fringe thing. except that for literally any medical episode the solution is some kind of genetically engineered cure
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Jun 28, 2016 02:13
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I remember reading that Rick Berman really had a thing against showing gay characters on the shows does anyone know if this is true?
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Jun 28, 2016 02:28
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tasha should've been a lesbian maybe she was and she just detached data's penis and scissored him
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Crowsbeak posted:I remember reading that Rick Berman really had a thing against showing gay characters on the shows does anyone know if this is true? In the age of don't ask don't tell he might have had his priorities of not courting controversy. Or it could've been Paramounts. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:tasha should've been a lesbian That would be included under "fully functional"
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Jun 28, 2016 02:44
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:tasha should've been a lesbian Being a robot, I guess you could argue that Data is technically some kind of elaborate masturbation prosthesis in that scenario.
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Jun 28, 2016 04:37
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Aaronicon posted:Being a robot, I guess you could argue that Data is technically some kind of elaborate masturbation prosthesis in that scenario. This is what "measure of a man" should have been all about
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Jun 28, 2016 04:38
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I imagine molesting Data would fall under misappropriation of starfleet property.
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Jun 28, 2016 05:06
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chaosbreather posted:except that for literally any medical episode the solution is some kind of genetically engineered cure I'm not being specific enough, I mean that everyone should be like Khan and his bros. It makes no sense that every person isn't a perfect physical specimen super genius that never gets sick and lives 150 yea....I just shot my argument in the foot again.
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criscodisco posted:It's funny because in the first season or two of TNG they regularly visited planets that didn't seem to have warp technology, like the planet that wanted to execute Wesley or the vak-seen planet. The other argument might be that Starfleet can get around the Prime Directive with pre-warp cultures if there has been a pre-established cultural contamination done beforehand by a different culture: Some random non-Federation/Starfleet warp species end up in that region of space, send down a landing party, they introduce themselves, maybe start some light trade. In the era of something like the pre-TNG era where replicators and holodecks didn't fulfill every desire, just being willing to do some light trading with less advanced worlds for various things might have been sort of common. Even a hostile warp culture might not have the range or power simply take over an planet with a few ships, but could see the value trading relatively high-tech stuff for foodstuffs, hospitable and safe shore leave locations, subtle exploitation of native inhabitants, etc. A prewarp culture might not ever feel a need to develop warp at that point if they are also able to exploit that to their advantage too. Instead of becoming travellers and explorers, they try to establish themselves as a valuable unaligned open port/trading post in the middle of nowhere, instead.
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That was always sort of my take on it, too. Really, I can't see what the harm would be to just pop in and announce your presence. If anything, it would drive a society towards warp technology research.
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criscodisco posted:That was always sort of my take on it, too. Really, I can't see what the harm would be to just pop in and announce your presence. If anything, it would drive a society towards warp technology research. loving Federation lawyers always bitching about liability.
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the other side that people don't tend to consider is that federation society, being post-scarcity, is intrinsically novelty-seeking. you can see a bit of a preview of that on the internet: people constantly look for 'new stuff' and profit is made off novelty 'going viral'. that's why the most valuable resources, starships, are deployed in missions of exploration. in older times, europeans would rock up to a place and rape all its precious metals and oil and whatever, but none of that is worth anything in the federation. what they're looking for is novelty. so they find planets, use their insane sensors to record literally anything that's going on on the entire planet, make holographic copies of libraries and poo poo and sometimes even dump sociologist behind duck blinds to strip mine every bit of culture they have to give the humans back in paradise something to watch for the next fortnight. the beauty is that the people of the planet never even know, and that is purpose behind the prime directive. the prime directive is to protect the novelty value of cultures. if a prewarp civ is uplifted it will quickly become homogenised and assimilated like the rest of the federation, eating denobulan chocolates, drinking saurian brandy, listening to klingon opera, and run their societies on vulcan science and human engineering and they will be, to the rest of the federation, worthless. the prime directive is to not kill the geese that lay the golden eggs.
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chaosbreather posted:the other side that people don't tend to consider is that federation society, being post-scarcity, is intrinsically novelty-seeking. you can see a bit of a preview of that on the internet: people constantly look for 'new stuff' and profit is made off novelty 'going viral'. that's why the most valuable resources, starships, are deployed in missions of exploration. 
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I love it when cynicism makes so much sense
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chaosbreather posted:the other side that people don't tend to consider is that federation society, being post-scarcity, is intrinsically novelty-seeking. you can see a bit of a preview of that on the internet: people constantly look for 'new stuff' and profit is made off novelty 'going viral'. that's why the most valuable resources, starships, are deployed in missions of exploration. give me a mobile number to text my favourite to and i'm IN
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why wasnt data gyroscopically stabilized when the ship banged around did he wobble just to look more human what a maroon
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as i previously mentioned its spelled out repeatedly on the show that she knew at the start of the mission that she would strand both crews in the delta quadrant. voyager had a massively unstandard tricobalt device in her armoury designed to do that. why did she do that, and why was she promoted to admiral, ranking picard, when she returned? because she came back with a computerised booty of culture no-one has ever seen before and even a computer program that makes new culture. she's the loving 24th century walter raleigh but instead of potato and tobacco she got a bunch of holoporn of a two year old ocampa loving a talaxian
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chaosbreather posted:as i previously mentioned its spelled out repeatedly on the show that she knew at the start of the mission that she would strand both crews in the delta quadrant. voyager had a massively unstandard tricobalt device in her armoury designed to do that. why did she do that, and why was she promoted to admiral, ranking picard, when she returned? Calm down Seven.
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FuhrerHat posted:why wasnt data gyroscopically stabilized when the ship banged around data didnt have space for that because he was full of smart brains, unlike you
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Jun 28, 2016 10:25
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i feel like data would fall over like a mannequin if you caught him off guard with a push
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BattleMaster posted:i feel like data would fall over like a mannequin if you caught him off guard with a push I feel like he would stumble around and then just go back to whatever he was doing like nothing happened a-la Big Dog after that dude tries to kick it over
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millions of falling calculations every nanosecond
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Holy poo poo you guys. So years ago in another GBS Star Trek thread, I was urged to take the plunge and watch DS9 for my first time ever. I was also recommended the DS9 Companion book - a massive paperback tome full of a poo poo ton of information. They're now selling on Amazon (.ca) for $70-120 a piece and Imma get mine up there. Thanks GBS you guys made me enough money to rereg at least 5 times!!!
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