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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
| Total: | 2130 votes | ||
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we're old and we know more than you nuhhhhhhh
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Jun 28, 2016 22:21
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Tesseraction posted:Ah, poo poo. Although what kind of tech? Even in worse case scenarios Brexit seems to have no long-term negative effects on poo poo like aerospace engineering and the computer technologies that go with that. http://www.techcityinsider.net/leeds-tech-quietly-on-the-up
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Jun 28, 2016 22:21
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blowfish posted:The early CoDs were better. Get. Out.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:21
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I keep thinking this thing can't become any more of a clusterfuck and yet more fucks just keep getting clustered.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:22
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https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/747777048706351104 Can we get a PM Corbyn toxx thread in YCS?
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Jun 28, 2016 22:22
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thespaceinvader posted:https://medium.com/@chrisdeerin/why-ive-joined-the-labour-party-f558d01aa68a#.lq9z978uc not sure whether blairite_tears.png or  is more appropriate here
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Jun 28, 2016 22:23
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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tooterfish posted:Digital. I think the health analytics sector is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) in the country right now. Ooh, nice. You'd hope that the healthtech and *ugh* betting companies would survive this pretty well. Can see the finance analysis going to poo poo though. :/
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Jun 28, 2016 22:24
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The Insect Court posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/747777048706351104 sure, you start it
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Jun 28, 2016 22:24
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thespaceinvader posted:Whether this would be plausible I have NO idea but it sounds worryingly possible. It was proposed by Joe Haines in the New Statesman in January, in an article which contained this laughable sentence: quote:You have only to reel off the names of the most obvious members of such a shadow cabinet – Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Tristram Hunt, Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall, Rachel Reeves, Emma Reynolds, Michael Dugher, Dan Jarvis, Hilary Benn, Keir Starmer, Chris Leslie, Caroline Flint and the Eagle sisters, for a start – to see how much more powerful and impressive a team it would be than Corbyn’s shadows. At the moment it looks as though they're trying Peter Kellner's suggestion first, but I expect this is the next move.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:25
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That room looks poo poo Edit: literally, the meeting room
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Jun 28, 2016 22:25
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I'm a Yank who has been a huge Anglophile/general fan of most things British ever since I was a kid. I also got the chance to live over there for two years, have gone back a few times on vacations, and still have several friends who live in various parts of England and Wales. Overall I've always had a huge regard for the UK and its' people. Which makes it all the more depressing that apparently such a sizable percentage of the people who voted "Leave" were able to be convinced by paper-thin arguments and false promises by career hucksters (and I say this knowing full well we have people who support Donald loving Trump running for the goddamned Presidency of my country), without having the faintest idea as to what the EU actually does (or even what it is, in some cases). The pound crashing, trillions of dollars lost on the global market, the PM position turned into a poison chalice, Labour preferring to focus on internecine warfare (over Tony Blair's reputation, of all loving things) instead of trying to figure out what's best for the country, Scotland and Northern Ireland considering leaving the sinking ship that is currently the British economy, people viewed as "foreign" being attacked by shitheads emboldened by the referendum...I just keep coming back to this quote from Alan Moore, regarding "V for Vendetta": Alan Moore posted:Naďveté can also be detected in my supposition that it would take something as melodramatic as a near-miss nuclear conflict to nudge Britain towards fascism...
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Jun 28, 2016 22:26
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The Insect Court posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/747777048706351104 You start it.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:27
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Corbyn - Does he want the UK to be a member of the EU? Yes - please stay as leader of the labour party and get on with the EU bit. No - Go join Boris and burn in hell
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Jun 28, 2016 22:27
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Tesseraction posted:I fought in WW2 yeah but you always picked to play as the nazi's so
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Jun 28, 2016 22:27
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Sewer Adventure posted:Got trolled so hard by a fascist relative posting this picture on Facebook. I never reply to this poo poo normally. Ugh. Then point them at Harry Leslie Smith, a man who actually did serve and has plenty to say about how the piggybacking generation that came after him really have stolen the future from the young.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:27
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thespaceinvader posted:https://medium.com/@chrisdeerin/why-ive-joined-the-labour-party-f558d01aa68a#.lq9z978uc quote:A painful situation has been made exponentially worse by the abomination that is Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the official Opposition. When the country demands a serious figure to hold the smoking remnants of the Government to account, it is presented with a clown: a sinister little man who half-heartedly campaigned for Remain and who is rumoured to have voted Leave; a man who has lost almost his entire shadow cabinet in the past few days due to his blatant unfitness for the job, who yesterday lost a no-confidence vote among his own MPs by 172 votes to 40, who is arrogant enough to stay on regardless, and shameless enough to compare attempts to force him out to the terrible killing of Jo Cox. This resonates with me.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:29
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thespaceinvader posted:The thing they could arguably do would be to effectively secede from Corbyn, form a new party with their own leadership, and argue that they should keep the Short money and Union contributions as the opposition. Won't happen because they know there's no way most of them will win without the red rosette.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:29
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I'm a Yank who has been a huge Anglophile/general fan of most things British ever since I was a kid. I also got the chance to live over there for two years, have gone back a few times on vacations, and still have several friends who live in various parts of England and Wales. Overall I've always had a huge regard for the UK and its' people. Which makes it all the more depressing that apparently such a sizable percentage of the people who voted "Leave" were able to be convinced by paper-thin arguments and false promises by career hucksters (and I say this knowing full well we have people who support Donald loving Trump running for the goddamned Presidency of my country), without having the faintest idea as to what the EU actually does (or even what it is, in some cases). The obvious V for Vendetta analogy with Farage has been being mentioned for years, tbh, especially given how much the leader in the comic looks like him. Pissflaps posted:This resonates with me. Noxville posted:Won't happen because they know there's no way most of them will win without the red rosette. I'm assuming they'd keep the red rosette and call themselves True Labour or something. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Jun 28, 2016 22:29
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I just keep coming back to this quote from Alan Moore, regarding "V for Vendetta": This also resonates with me. V for Vendetta, man what a movie.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:30
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah, that's what I've been seeing. Only pro-Corbyn piece has been Good Egg Gaby Hinsliff: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/labours-left-waited-decades-for-jeremy-corbyn-wont-give-up-without-fight Williams is useless and contrarian. I remember years ago when she wrote for the Standard. All of her volume were about getting pissed, shagging randoms and returning home without her draws.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:31
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Sion posted:yeah but you always picked to play as the nazi's so you can't in Frontline, oddly dedicated replier
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Jun 28, 2016 22:31
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thespaceinvader posted:What makes you think a second time would make any difference when the first one persuaded them of nothing more than the efficacy of spending 9 months doing nothing but briefing against him and planning an ineffectual coup that only served to damage their party and their country at the worst loving possible time? Because the Unions are making rumblings about seriously pushing for Mandatory Reselection and actual Deselections are happening now. The Membership is getting sick of their poo poo and nothing scares these fucks more than the idea they'll lose their seats. They can only gently caress about with their voters so much, before the cries of everyone telling them to just gently caress off get through.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:32
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Trickjaw posted:Williams is useless and contrarian. I remember years ago when she wrote for the Standard. All of her volume were about getting pissed, shagging randoms and returning home without her draws. sounds like a lass m8
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Jun 28, 2016 22:32
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:I know others have already said similar things, but just ask them what unit they were in. Nice. This guy is the old person I want to be.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:32
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Haha has the UKMT gone over Martin McGuiness and the Queen today?
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Jun 28, 2016 22:34
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ah yes that man better get on the right side of things - labour party members too busy shooting their own feet
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Jun 28, 2016 22:34
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Sewer Adventure posted:Got trolled so hard by a fascist relative posting this picture on Facebook. I never reply to this poo poo normally. Ugh. Yes, really; if those guys who weren't you hadn't beaten Germany, we'd be part of a solidly untied [fascist German] Europe right now. So 
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Jun 28, 2016 22:34
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Sewer Adventure posted:Got trolled so hard by a fascist relative posting this picture on Facebook. I never reply to this poo poo normally. Ugh. You know, I would be pretty interested in seeing how people old enough to have actually fought in or remember living through through WWII voted compared to the rest of the 65+ demographic they're lumped together with.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:36
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My old grandparents voted to remain and they were in the war. Their reasoning was "well, if it ain't broke..." 95 and 91 btw.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:37
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Fans posted:Because the Unions are making rumblings about seriously pushing for Mandatory Reselection and actual Deselections are happening now. The Membership is getting sick of their poo poo and nothing scares these fucks more than the idea they'll lose their seats. Source on the bolded section? The concern is that the people not following this with the laserlike focus of the UKMT regular probably don't get the nuance, I've already had a conversation with a vaguely leftie but not politically aware colleage which began 'but shouldn't he just resign'... He wins the next leadership election, but the message is inevitably getting through to the public at large, and it's 'loving hell the labour party is stupid right now'. If the PLP were to split in high dudgeon at Corbyn's intransigence they would inevitably take some voters with them, and make it less likely for the Tories to be beaten.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:37
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Bryter posted:You know, I would be pretty interested in seeing how people old enough to have actually fought in or remember living through through WWII voted compared to the rest of the 65+ demographic they're lumped together with. My uncle voted Leave, but he's the kind of elderly Tory that liked Sarah Palin because she was a bit fruity
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Jun 28, 2016 22:37
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Someone posted that greatest generation shite and I did some terrible maths about it; Given that to have fought in WWII, a person voting in the referendum would need to be 85+, and that the number of people in the UK of that age is 1.5m, and that the percentage of the population in 1945 who were members of the Armed Forces was 10%, and assuming a similar rate of survivors to 2016 (which given what they fought through, is sadly probably high) giving you 150,000, and applying the polling turnout by demographics at 75% for over 65's, and the widely publicised voting intention of that group at 61/39 Leave/Remain, you end up with just under 70k people who voted Leave who possibly fought in WWII, out of 17,410,742. Or 0.4%. Maybe 0.5% if you fancy rounding up, but probably much lower given that a 16 year old in 1945 would be 87 now. The Greatest Generation aren't the reason we left the EU, the selfish majority of their Baby Boomer children are. No sources because no one who'd share a macro like that would ever read one
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Jun 28, 2016 22:38
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How hosed are the Brits if they can't come to a deal with the EU over access to the market? Mainly because they want immigration control.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:38
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Pissflaps posted:This resonates with me. "Seriousness" lol
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Bryter posted:You know, I would be pretty interested in seeing how people old enough to have actually fought in or remember living through through WWII voted compared to the rest of the 65+ demographic they're lumped together with. I know a woman in her 90s whose husband was an officer in the navy in ww2. I know she voted remain and i'll be seeing her for lunch next week. Will ask her if I remember.
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Jun 28, 2016 22:39
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Pissflaps posted:This also resonates with me. V for Vendetta, man what a movie. Unless Alan Moore actually posts here, in which case you might be on to a winner. Hollismason posted:How hosed are the Brits if they can't come to a deal with the EU over access to the market? Mainly because they want immigration control. It's unlikely to happen. We'll just have to bend over for it, and they'll try to hide the grisly details from the electorate *cough*no controls on immigration*cough* tooterfish fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Jun 28, 2016 22:39
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ShredsYouSay posted:My old grandparents voted to remain and they were in the war. Their reasoning was "well, if it ain't broke..." My grandmother who died when I was ten was an au pair to a German Jewish family until 1938. The family were annihilated in the holocaust, and she could never speak to a German person again for the rest of her life. But she was still firmly pro-EU because she recognised that this wasn't about her, it was about long-term peace and stability for her children and her grandchildren. Sadly, it won't be for her first great grandchild, born last year 
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Jun 28, 2016 22:40
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thespaceinvader posted:Source on the bolded section? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-eagle-backs-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-motion-of-no-confidence_uk_5772a5d8e4b08d2c563a1dea
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Jun 28, 2016 22:40
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Tesseraction posted:sure, you start it Why? I'm not delusional enough to think Corbyn is fit to lead, much less that he has a snowball's chance in hell of leading Labour to a win in the next(or any) general election. You claim to believe that, so you should be eager to show your support for Corbyn by toxxing for him. It'll be a bad decision, but you voted Leave so you seem to be comfortable making those.
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qhat posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-eagle-backs-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-motion-of-no-confidence_uk_5772a5d8e4b08d2c563a1dea That;s not a deselection, it's a CLP sending a letter to their MP asking her not to be an idiot. I could see deselection following, but it can't usefully happen until the next GE unfortunately.
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