Harlock posted:

Did they add a delay for Mercy beam clicks if you're not using toggle beam? Just noticed it tonight

Mystery Machine posted:

I feel like the Hanzo and Genji mains have migrated to competitive in higher numbers than everyone else.

Internet Kraken posted:

Can you leave a competitive match during the hero pick screen without penalty?

Mystery Machine posted:

I feel like the Hanzo and Genji mains have migrated to competitive in higher numbers than everyone else. Played a bunch of pleasant quick games, with at least one support and a tank on each team, but usually 3-4 of them combined. Was loads of fun.

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Pharah: She needs to have more HP if she's gonna be an offensive attacker. I feel like her rockets COULD have a bit more splash damage, but even so, I think buffing her to 250 or 225 would be a fair balance for her as an offensive character. Also little thruster jets to move a bit more in air would be cool, but i think thats a bit much now.

bumble posted:

That's literally the first thing I saw in my first comp game.



I really don't understand how people can enjoy the game like this.

Easy Mac posted:

Played my 10 placement matches and about 8 comp games and never faced or played with a Zenyatta. Kind of weird.

Jastiger posted:

Its time for Jastiger's list of Changes to Overwatch to make it more balanced and competitive.

Genji: Mostly stay as he is. A light, fast, and lethal assassin.

McCree: Still pretty good after the nerf. He needed the nerf. I'd say leave him as he is post nerf

Pharah: She needs to have more HP if she's gonna be an offensive attacker. I feel like her rockets COULD have a bit more splash damage, but even so, I think buffing her to 250 or 225 would be a fair balance for her as an offensive character. Also little thruster jets to move a bit more in air would be cool, but i think thats a bit much now.

Reaper: Mostly alright, deadly close range, but not so much far away. I'm not sure I'd allow him to still gain health packs while phantomed though. That seems a bit much. Take that away and I think he's alright.

Soldier 76: Pretty good and balanced. Maybe have a bit more weapon spread at super long range since there is no damage drop off, except when he ults. Its a bit silly for him to pick apart people from so far away with spray and pray.

Tracer: P good as is, really. Her ult should charge a bit faster since it doesn't really do THAT much damage. It should do enough to take out a roadhog, or it should recharge faster since its so easy to miss.

Bastion: Pretty good as is except maybe add a BIT more delay to moving out of turret mode.

Hanzo: Pretty good as is if they make it so you can freakin hear his ultimate. I'd maybe change the animation so you can tell which direction its going in, otherwise p good.

Junkrat: Pretty good as is. His passive is kinda dumb though and I wish there was something more exciting offered

Mei: Her Right click does maybe a LITTLE too much damage on a headshot with the huge hitboxes they have. It'd be nicer if she had a bit more of a UI clue as to when you're in range to do damage vs just ineffectually shooting your gun.

Torbjorn Why does his ult give HIM mega armor? It should boost his turret for sure, but turning him into a hero that out damages other offensive heroes seems a bit silly on top of the mega armor he gets.His turret shouldn't be nerfed damage wise, but maybe have its range a bit reduced. Take away his mega fast firing on ult, take away the armor, but keep his hammer swings super fast and i think he'd be in a good place.

Widowmaker EASILY needs her hitpoints reduced to 175 or even 150. Her escape combined with her massive headhit boxes combined with her ability to indiscriminately dispense kills on the enemy team make her a bit on the OP side. This should be countered by lowering her hit point total so she can't absorb so many shots and then ninja away to 360 no scope folks. Her damage nerf was needed, but now she needs her hp reduced a smidge. Also some sort of screen shake would be nice, but not necessary.

D.VA She's pretty good right now. She's more a skirmisher than a straight up tank though.

Reinhart Lower the range on his hammer. It hits way too hard to have characters be REALLY far away from him and him still get massive damage on them. Like Roadhog, he shouldn't be starting attacks, then changing his curser and keeping full damage on people behind him in a 360 radius. Otherwise pretty good
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Roadhog Definitely needs a nerf. His gun is and should be lethal, but his hook is dumb the way it is now. As long as your cursor is on the enemy when it hits it, you hit that point. This means you can have a complete miss, track to your target, and score a hook around a corner or cancel out an escape vector, which is not how it should be. His hook should come out faster and be where his cursor is at the time of initiation. No more of this random hooks, then tracking the target and landing a hook around corners or against evasive characters. It comes out fast, goes in fast, doesn't track targets. Its too strong to do that for as easy as it is to land. Also he should take bonus damage while healing if he's caught.

Winston Leave as is, maybe give a bit more of cursor icon so you know when an enemy is in range and how many enemies you're hitting.

Zarya She can be ridiculously powerful if played right. Again, maybe a cursor so you know how far away the enemy is and whether you can even hit them or not.

Zenyatta: He's pretty powerful as he is now, and the fact that he can discord orb makes him deserving of a low health pool. I say leave as it.

Symmetra: A cursor as to whether you can hit the enemy or not. Also her ult should be changed so that it can be recharged if you earn enough to recharge it. Its a bit silly to have the ult start at zero again only after the teleporter expires or is destroyed. A mechanic where it can keep going based on how well the Symmetra is doing seems like it'd make it a lot more interactive and balanced.

Mercy: Pretty good where she is right now, perhaps with a bit longer cooldown on her ult so it isn't a redo so quickly. It seems right now sometimes the team is so bad she has to heal them so much she gets to res twice in the same push, which isn't something other heroes tend to be able to do.

Lucio. Pretty nice as is, maybe make his wall skating a bit more intuitive is all.

funroll loops posted:

It really feels like they hosed something up with the netcode. As Roadhog especially I was getting tons of hooks behind me and point blank shots that were doing literally no damage.

Jastiger posted:

Its time for Jastiger's list of Changes to Overwatch to make it more balanced and competitive.

Genji: Mostly stay as he is. A light, fast, and lethal assassin.

McCree: Still pretty good after the nerf. He needed the nerf. I'd say leave him as he is post nerf

Pharah: She needs to have more HP if she's gonna be an offensive attacker. I feel like her rockets COULD have a bit more splash damage, but even so, I think buffing her to 250 or 225 would be a fair balance for her as an offensive character. Also little thruster jets to move a bit more in air would be cool, but i think thats a bit much now.

Reaper: Mostly alright, deadly close range, but not so much far away. I'm not sure I'd allow him to still gain health packs while phantomed though. That seems a bit much. Take that away and I think he's alright.

Soldier 76: Pretty good and balanced. Maybe have a bit more weapon spread at super long range since there is no damage drop off, except when he ults. Its a bit silly for him to pick apart people from so far away with spray and pray.

Tracer: P good as is, really. Her ult should charge a bit faster since it doesn't really do THAT much damage. It should do enough to take out a roadhog, or it should recharge faster since its so easy to miss.

Bastion: Pretty good as is except maybe add a BIT more delay to moving out of turret mode.

Hanzo: Pretty good as is if they make it so you can freakin hear his ultimate. I'd maybe change the animation so you can tell which direction its going in, otherwise p good.

Junkrat: Pretty good as is. His passive is kinda dumb though and I wish there was something more exciting offered

Mei: Her Right click does maybe a LITTLE too much damage on a headshot with the huge hitboxes they have. It'd be nicer if she had a bit more of a UI clue as to when you're in range to do damage vs just ineffectually shooting your gun.

Torbjorn Why does his ult give HIM mega armor? It should boost his turret for sure, but turning him into a hero that out damages other offensive heroes seems a bit silly on top of the mega armor he gets.His turret shouldn't be nerfed damage wise, but maybe have its range a bit reduced. Take away his mega fast firing on ult, take away the armor, but keep his hammer swings super fast and i think he'd be in a good place.

Widowmaker EASILY needs her hitpoints reduced to 175 or even 150. Her escape combined with her massive headhit boxes combined with her ability to indiscriminately dispense kills on the enemy team make her a bit on the OP side. This should be countered by lowering her hit point total so she can't absorb so many shots and then ninja away to 360 no scope folks. Her damage nerf was needed, but now she needs her hp reduced a smidge. Also some sort of screen shake would be nice, but not necessary.

D.VA She's pretty good right now. She's more a skirmisher than a straight up tank though.

Reinhart Lower the range on his hammer. It hits way too hard to have characters be REALLY far away from him and him still get massive damage on them. Like Roadhog, he shouldn't be starting attacks, then changing his curser and keeping full damage on people behind him in a 360 radius. Otherwise pretty good
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Roadhog Definitely needs a nerf. His gun is and should be lethal, but his hook is dumb the way it is now. As long as your cursor is on the enemy when it hits it, you hit that point. This means you can have a complete miss, track to your target, and score a hook around a corner or cancel out an escape vector, which is not how it should be. His hook should come out faster and be where his cursor is at the time of initiation. No more of this random hooks, then tracking the target and landing a hook around corners or against evasive characters. It comes out fast, goes in fast, doesn't track targets. Its too strong to do that for as easy as it is to land. Also he should take bonus damage while healing if he's caught.

Winston Leave as is, maybe give a bit more of cursor icon so you know when an enemy is in range and how many enemies you're hitting.

Zarya She can be ridiculously powerful if played right. Again, maybe a cursor so you know how far away the enemy is and whether you can even hit them or not.

Zenyatta: He's pretty powerful as he is now, and the fact that he can discord orb makes him deserving of a low health pool. I say leave as it.

Symmetra: A cursor as to whether you can hit the enemy or not. Also her ult should be changed so that it can be recharged if you earn enough to recharge it. Its a bit silly to have the ult start at zero again only after the teleporter expires or is destroyed. A mechanic where it can keep going based on how well the Symmetra is doing seems like it'd make it a lot more interactive and balanced.

Mercy: Pretty good where she is right now, perhaps with a bit longer cooldown on her ult so it isn't a redo so quickly. It seems right now sometimes the team is so bad she has to heal them so much she gets to res twice in the same push, which isn't something other heroes tend to be able to do.

Lucio. Pretty nice as is, maybe make his wall skating a bit more intuitive is all.

Jastiger posted:

Its time for Jastiger's list of Changes to Overwatch to make it more balanced and competitive.

Genji: Mostly stay as he is. A light, fast, and lethal assassin.

McCree: Still pretty good after the nerf. He needed the nerf. I'd say leave him as he is post nerf

Pharah: She needs to have more HP if she's gonna be an offensive attacker. I feel like her rockets COULD have a bit more splash damage, but even so, I think buffing her to 250 or 225 would be a fair balance for her as an offensive character. Also little thruster jets to move a bit more in air would be cool, but i think thats a bit much now.

Reaper: Mostly alright, deadly close range, but not so much far away. I'm not sure I'd allow him to still gain health packs while phantomed though. That seems a bit much. Take that away and I think he's alright.

Soldier 76: Pretty good and balanced. Maybe have a bit more weapon spread at super long range since there is no damage drop off, except when he ults. Its a bit silly for him to pick apart people from so far away with spray and pray.

Tracer: P good as is, really. Her ult should charge a bit faster since it doesn't really do THAT much damage. It should do enough to take out a roadhog, or it should recharge faster since its so easy to miss.

Bastion: Pretty good as is except maybe add a BIT more delay to moving out of turret mode.

Hanzo: Pretty good as is if they make it so you can freakin hear his ultimate. I'd maybe change the animation so you can tell which direction its going in, otherwise p good.

Junkrat: Pretty good as is. His passive is kinda dumb though and I wish there was something more exciting offered

Mei: Her Right click does maybe a LITTLE too much damage on a headshot with the huge hitboxes they have. It'd be nicer if she had a bit more of a UI clue as to when you're in range to do damage vs just ineffectually shooting your gun.

Torbjorn Why does his ult give HIM mega armor? It should boost his turret for sure, but turning him into a hero that out damages other offensive heroes seems a bit silly on top of the mega armor he gets.His turret shouldn't be nerfed damage wise, but maybe have its range a bit reduced. Take away his mega fast firing on ult, take away the armor, but keep his hammer swings super fast and i think he'd be in a good place.

Widowmaker EASILY needs her hitpoints reduced to 175 or even 150. Her escape combined with her massive headhit boxes combined with her ability to indiscriminately dispense kills on the enemy team make her a bit on the OP side. This should be countered by lowering her hit point total so she can't absorb so many shots and then ninja away to 360 no scope folks. Her damage nerf was needed, but now she needs her hp reduced a smidge. Also some sort of screen shake would be nice, but not necessary.

D.VA She's pretty good right now. She's more a skirmisher than a straight up tank though.

Reinhart Lower the range on his hammer. It hits way too hard to have characters be REALLY far away from him and him still get massive damage on them. Like Roadhog, he shouldn't be starting attacks, then changing his curser and keeping full damage on people behind him in a 360 radius. Otherwise pretty good
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Roadhog Definitely needs a nerf. His gun is and should be lethal, but his hook is dumb the way it is now. As long as your cursor is on the enemy when it hits it, you hit that point. This means you can have a complete miss, track to your target, and score a hook around a corner or cancel out an escape vector, which is not how it should be. His hook should come out faster and be where his cursor is at the time of initiation. No more of this random hooks, then tracking the target and landing a hook around corners or against evasive characters. It comes out fast, goes in fast, doesn't track targets. Its too strong to do that for as easy as it is to land. Also he should take bonus damage while healing if he's caught.

Winston Leave as is, maybe give a bit more of cursor icon so you know when an enemy is in range and how many enemies you're hitting.

Zarya She can be ridiculously powerful if played right. Again, maybe a cursor so you know how far away the enemy is and whether you can even hit them or not.

Zenyatta: He's pretty powerful as he is now, and the fact that he can discord orb makes him deserving of a low health pool. I say leave as it.

Symmetra: A cursor as to whether you can hit the enemy or not. Also her ult should be changed so that it can be recharged if you earn enough to recharge it. Its a bit silly to have the ult start at zero again only after the teleporter expires or is destroyed. A mechanic where it can keep going based on how well the Symmetra is doing seems like it'd make it a lot more interactive and balanced.

Mercy: Pretty good where she is right now, perhaps with a bit longer cooldown on her ult so it isn't a redo so quickly. It seems right now sometimes the team is so bad she has to heal them so much she gets to res twice in the same push, which isn't something other heroes tend to be able to do.

Lucio. Pretty nice as is, maybe make his wall skating a bit more intuitive is all.

Jastiger posted:

McCree: Still pretty good after the nerf. He needed the nerf. I'd say leave him as he is post nerf

Jastiger posted:

Pharah: She needs to have more HP if she's gonna be an offensive attacker. I feel like her rockets COULD have a bit more splash damage, but even so, I think buffing her to 250 or 225 would be a fair balance for her as an offensive character. Also little thruster jets to move a bit more in air would be cool, but i think thats a bit much now.

Jastiger posted:

Tracer: P good as is, really. Her ult should charge a bit faster since it doesn't really do THAT much damage. It should do enough to take out a roadhog, or it should recharge faster since its so easy to miss.

Jastiger posted:

Bastion: Pretty good as is except maybe add a BIT more delay to moving out of turret mode.

Jastiger posted:

Hanzo: Pretty good as is if they make it so you can freakin hear his ultimate. I'd maybe change the animation so you can tell which direction its going in, otherwise p good.

Jastiger posted:

Mei: Her Right click does maybe a LITTLE too much damage on a headshot with the huge hitboxes they have. It'd be nicer if she had a bit more of a UI clue as to when you're in range to do damage vs just ineffectually shooting your gun.

Jastiger posted:

Torbjorn Why does his ult give HIM mega armor? It should boost his turret for sure, but turning him into a hero that out damages other offensive heroes seems a bit silly on top of the mega armor he gets.His turret shouldn't be nerfed damage wise, but maybe have its range a bit reduced. Take away his mega fast firing on ult, take away the armor, but keep his hammer swings super fast and i think he'd be in a good place.

Jastiger posted:

D.VA She's pretty good right now. She's more a skirmisher than a straight up tank though.

Jastiger posted:

Zarya She can be ridiculously powerful if played right. Again, maybe a cursor so you know how far away the enemy is and whether you can even hit them or not.

rear end posted:

Jesus Christ, no.

Jastiger posted:

Actually yes.

I'd say the changes to Widow, Roadhog, and Torb are probably the most pressing changes. I'll be awaiting my call back from Blizzards balance team shortly.

Pharah is pretty powerful, for sure. It just seems strange she has the same hit points as other characters with far more offensive capabilities or even snippers and the like. I get a feeling of assault front liner from her vs the flanker we see in Reaper or McCree. Why doesn't she have more HP than them?

rear end posted:

Zenyatta and D.Va are begging for a buff and you want to change Roadhog's hook? You use the hook once, you probably will get a kill, then the enemy team will gently caress you up due to a tiny capacity shotgun.

Macaluso posted:

I dunno what everyone else's experiences has been like tonight, but besides losing a bunch cause me and my friends aren't amazing, I've experienced a total of zero rear end in a top hat players in competitive. At least not yet?? Not a single cocky rear end in a top hat going "lol 2ez", no salt from the other team if they lose against us, no bitching about who got play of the game. Everyone has been really chill and GGing is the most that's really ever said. The most bitching about play of the game I saw were players that had underwhelming plays of the game saying something like "oh god this is embarrassing don't give it to me"

I've lost way more in a row tonight than I would have in quick play but I've had much less interaction with rear end in a top hat players on the other team.

I could really do without Blizzard blasting my ears off with their way too intense competitive mode VS screen music after 3-4 minutes of quiet game searching

Jastiger posted:

I was thinking DVA s hould get a buff, but if she's played right she's brutal. Never having to reload and being able to push players around is actually pretty slick. Giving her more HP wouldn't really do anything and her guns doing more damage...ehh, they already do pretty good damage. MAYBE increase when its near melee range, but thats about it.

As for Zen, he is simply super strong.. Orb of discorde is a 50% damage boost to a 45 damage orb. That is 90 damage with a clip of 20. Thats a lot of leeway for misses and the like. Zen is really squishy for sure, but he SHOULD be. He gives his team 50% damage against a target, that is HUGE. He's fine and is the sleeper hero we're gonna see boost up in the rankings here in a few weeks.

Jastiger posted:

As for Zen, he is simply super strong.. Orb of discorde is a 50% damage boost to a 45 damage orb. That is 90 damage with a clip of 20. Thats a lot of leeway for misses and the like. Zen is really squishy for sure, but he SHOULD be. He gives his team 50% damage against a target, that is HUGE. He's fine and is the sleeper hero we're gonna see boost up in the rankings here in a few weeks.

Countblanc posted:

Macaluso posted:

I dunno what everyone else's experiences has been like tonight, but besides losing a bunch cause me and my friends aren't amazing, I've experienced a total of zero rear end in a top hat players in competitive. At least not yet?? Not a single cocky rear end in a top hat going "lol 2ez", no salt from the other team if they lose against us, no bitching about who got play of the game. Everyone has been really chill and GGing is the most that's really ever said. The most bitching about play of the game I saw were players that had underwhelming plays of the game saying something like "oh god this is embarrassing don't give it to me"

Jastiger posted:

As for Zen, he is simply super strong.. Orb of discorde is a 50% damage boost to a 45 damage orb. That is 90 damage with a clip of 20. Thats a lot of leeway for misses and the like. Zen is really squishy for sure, but he SHOULD be. He gives his team 50% damage against a target, that is HUGE. He's fine and is the sleeper hero we're gonna see boost up in the rankings here in a few weeks.

Zoness posted:

um excuse me in chuunibyou it's the girl that wears the eyepatch



i can get behind dark flame master reaper though

Verranicus posted:

For real what is with all the hardcore Genjis and Hanzos in competitive

Nehru the Damaja posted:

With Genji I at least get it because if you're a career Genji you're either doing it because "gently caress YEAH NINJA GUY IS RAD" or "gently caress YEAH I'M GOOD AS gently caress AT THIS HARD CHARACTER." Whether the latter is true or not doesn't matter. We've all seen there's a poo poo-ton of Genji mains out there who are not very honest appraisers of their own skill. And that is EXACTLY one kind of person I would expect to go into Competitive.

BabyRyoga posted:

He is probably the most difficult hero in the game to play effectively, so 90% of those people who main Genji should probably be learning fundamentals rather than getting in over their heads.

BabyRyoga posted:

He is probably the most difficult hero in the game to play effectively, so 90% of those people who main Genji should probably be learning fundamentals rather than getting in over their heads.