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why are you giving green pikers now, what did red ever do to you E wait, mixed up terminology, is there an actual generic term for a 2/1 for 1
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GeneX posted:I like this card a lot It's also a good value play in response to removal. Entropic posted:The Emerge cards all look cool but I really want to see the common does-something-when-it-dies creatures that actually enable it for Limited. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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GeneX posted:why are you giving green pikers now, what did red ever do to you A Savannah Lions.
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GeneX posted:why are you giving green pikers now, what did red ever do to you Savannah Lion Also all of those Mensis wolves are super solid in limited
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Rinkles posted:Drazi Werewolves How is Kessig prowler not red?
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RG Aggro might be back baby!
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Sickening posted:How is Kessig prowler not red? Red doesn't get 2/1's for 1 with upside.
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Sickening posted:How is Kessig prowler not red? because green has to have all the good stuff this in this format.
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mcmagic posted:A Savannah Lions. thanks
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Sickening posted:How is Kessig prowler not red? It's the opposite of Menace. mcmagic posted:Red doesn't get 2/1's for 1 with upside.  There's also a 2/2 for R with upside (and an irrelevant drawback) still in Standard. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Entropic posted:The Emerge cards all look cool but I really want to see the common does-something-when-it-dies creatures that actually enable it for Limited. Egotistic Scorner 7U Creature -- Human Wizard Madness U 1/1
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What's red's role anymore besides pinging stuff for tiny damage and splashing for Chandra?
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Soul Glo posted:What's red's role anymore besides pinging stuff for tiny damage and splashing for Chandra? Being told it doesn't have it that bad because hey look you still have Exquisite Firecraft. Also being told shock is too good for standard.
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Count Bleck posted:Being told it doesn't have it that bad because hey look you still have Exquisite Firecraft. Shock isn't too good for standard. It will be printed again.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:22
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mcmagic posted:Shock isn't too good for standard. It will be printed again. People are confusing an effect not being printed with "too good for standard." It's not, they just want to encourage decks to exist that aren't mono-red with bolts to the face for reach. It's the same reason Falkenrath Gorger exists: they think a 2/1 for R is okay because the kind of deck that would have been previously "too good" in doesn't exist right now.
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Angry Grimace posted:People are confusing an effect not being printed with "too good for standard." It's not, they just want to encourage decks to exist that aren't mono-red with bolts to the face for reach. I forgot about Gorger.... Though Kessig Prowler's upside is better than Gorger's.
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I'd settle for "R: deal 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker"
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Also Gorger's a rare. Prowler's an uncommon.
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Angry Grimace posted:Elder Deep-Fried, Lord of Calamari 
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For some reason the eldrazi art in this set reminds me of the google deepmind thing that puts animal faces onto everything
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Angry Grimace posted:People are confusing an effect not being printed with "too good for standard." It's not, they just want to encourage decks to exist that aren't mono-red with bolts to the face for reach. They've certainly managed to encourage decks that aren't mono-red! 
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I like that the weirdwolves basically have monstrous
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*blink* I don't know how I feel about this card.
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mcmagic posted:This falls under Great Card that may or may not have a home. It's super powerful... Talk about a madness aggro 3 drop from loving hell, holy poo poo. Its really odd that its 3 black cmc for the maddness though. That is a little rough. Maybe not an aggro deck, but this could be valuetown in something.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:I like that the weirdwolves basically have monstrous EDM limited is shaping up to be nothing like SOI.
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Sickening posted:Talk about a madness aggro 3 drop from loving hell, holy poo poo. Its really odd that its 3 black cmc for the maddness though. That is a little rough. You have to think about this card as if you're gonna play it on 5...
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mcmagic posted:This falls under Great Card that may or may not have a home. It's super powerful... Really? It seems kind of 'eh' to me. Though I guess decks are going wide enough these days that you'll reliably trade 3-for-3 (unless they CoCo a Reflector Mage and bounce it with the transform on the stack)
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The Lord of Hats posted:Really? It seems kind of 'eh' to me. Though I guess decks are going wide enough these days that you'll reliably trade 3-for-3 (unless they CoCo a Reflector Mage and bounce it with the transform on the stack) It flips at instant speed for no mana. That is a thing. Especially in a format with lots of Eldrazi Scions and tokens running around. Rites decks were already playing Reality Smasher...
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mcmagic posted:This falls under Great Card that may or may not have a home. It's super powerful... It's actually quite weak.
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You know what this set needs? An Eldrazi Spider. Give me Rom, WotC
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Angry Grimace posted:Transform is not Morph. You have to sac three guys to transform it, but then if they kill Voldaren Pariah in response to the transform trigger going on the stack (and this dies to practically every piece of removal in Standard), it won't flip and you won't get the sac trigger going the other way, and you got 4 for 1'd. And if they kill your Ormandhal you've 6 for 1'd yourself. You have to be smart about when you flip it but it's a powerful ability...
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mcmagic posted:And if they kill your Ormandhal you've 6 for 1'd yourself. You have to be smart about when you flip it but it's a powerful ability... It's a lot harder to kill either a land or an indestructible creature than it is to kill a 3/3.
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mcmagic posted:And if they kill your Ormandhal you've 6 for 1'd yourself. You have to be smart about when you flip it but it's a powerful ability... It's not quite the same thing because Westvale Abbey almost never dies in response to its trigger so there are very rarely situations where you get no value out of Ormendahl unless you misplay. Even in the best case scenario, where your opponent points Grasp at it and you flip in response, you still are at parity because you lose 4 guys to their 4 cards.
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Having the creatures to sac on-board means you can keep the transform option open until they try to get rid of it, then transform.
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Angry Grimace posted:It's not quite the same thing because Westvale Abbey almost never dies in response to its trigger so there are very rarely situations where you get no value out of Ormendahl unless you misplay. If they Stasis Snare it or Anguish Unmaking it, you're still getting 6 for 1'd. And then you got no value. This guy will at least wipe their board a lot of the time.
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TheMaestroso posted:Having the creatures to sac on-board means you can keep the transform option open until they try to get rid of it, then transform. First of all your opponent needs 3 guys to get full value out of it and even then you're at parity. The most common scenario here probably involves your opponent saying "okay" and then saccing 3 Plant tokens. mcmagic posted:If they Stasis Snare it or Anguish Unmaking it, you're still getting 6 for 1'd. And then you got no value. This guy will at least wipe their board a lot of the time. You know what else wipes their board? Casting Languish once.
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Angry Grimace posted:First of all your opponent needs 3 guys to get full value out of it and even then you're at parity. If they have 2 creatures and you're wiping their board, that is pretty good value... Angry Grimace posted:First of all your opponent needs 3 guys to get full value out of it and even then you're at parity. Not if they have a reality smasher or another bigger than an X/4... This kills everything. Also Languish is rotating.
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