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Twerk from Home posted:Yeah, I googled and saw that. Super cool stuff, but it looks like the sweet spot for that is going to be an i5-6500 and GTX 1070 if you're going for VR power efficiency within a sane budget. The Rift/Vive recommended specs that developers are told to shoot for is the i5-4590 CPU and a 970/290 GPU, so I'd wager the i3-6320 and RX 480 could hit the sweet spot for a lot less money. Edit: That said, it's never a bad idea to overkill with VR... missed frames equals puke, and there's no *-sync to save it.
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repiv posted:AMD say the 480 was independently tested at PCI-SIGs lab, and didn't have any power issues there: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/d4sy0c3
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Jesus, the RX480s are 299€ here in Italy. At this point, trying to snatch a FE 1070 for about 460 seems a way better deal.
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Char posted:Jesus, the RX480s are 299€ here in Italy. What is with some countries just pricing things higher, it's super weird.
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It in fact seems like it is GloFlops fault, according to Kyle Bennet (HardwareOCP hilariously had the most rosy picture of the RX480)Kyle Bennett posted:AIB partners are reporting to me this morning that with extremely good custom air coolers the 480 GPUs are seeing from 1480MHz to 1600MHz clocks, but tell me it is a "lottery draw" on GPUs. That's quite a margin overclocking performance, it looks like GloFlub needs to fix their poo poo. If the process is garbage enough to produce highly variable max clocks, is it possible it's also affecting the average power consumption as well? IIRC, this was an issue with GloFlos 32nm FD-SOI and Bulldozer, correct?
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xthetenth posted:What is with some countries just pricing things higher, it's super weird.
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Zero VGS posted:A lot of my hobbies revolve around energy efficiency; I'm working on an off-grid RV for instance, so 75w less means less solar panels, batteries, weight, and air-conditioning to off-set the heating from the PC. It pays dividends. Oh awesome. I'm interested in energy efficiency as well (to some degree, not nearly as much as you I'm sure) but my power prices are so low that I rarely factor power consumption into my computer component purchasing decisions. I pay ~9cents/kWh and have already taken care of the low hanging fruit (LED lights everywhere, hourly pricing, etc so my bill is absurdly low.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:user environments are ....kind of a bit more variable than industrial lab testing. True, but this is the first card I've heard of having this issue so I imagine PCI-SIG has a pretty pimp lab and testing environment to account for that. At this point I'm expecting some AMD side software gently caress up.
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xthetenth posted:What is with some countries just pricing things higher, it's super weird. 22% VAT + quite some gouging. The cheapest FE1070 I'm finding right now is 473€. I don't think I can do much better than this. My 6870 is feeling slower than usual, today.
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Admiral Ray posted:True, but this is the first card I've heard of having this issue so I imagine PCI-SIG has a pretty pimp lab and testing environment to account for that. At this point I'm expecting some AMD side software gently caress up. Yea, again as I posted earlier, sounds like a gently caress up either in the BIOS or a driver issue, either causing misallocation of where it draws power, or simply that's drawing way too much for a given scenario. Also 110W for the ASIC, 40W for the GDDR5. Err, would you get more headroom out of a 4GB model vs an 8GB model? Also this kind of points to full Vega being 200-220W, and cut Vega being 175-185W. That's not apocalyptic really, depends on price and perf.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:14
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xthetenth posted:What is with some countries just pricing things higher, it's super weird. Tax.
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Phlegmish posted:Tax. Seemed to me to be more than would be easily explained by tax.
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So is the 480 an upgrade over a 380? I feel sort of like an idiot for getting a 380 last year since it's generally been a  kind of card.Getting Freesync would be nice, since it seems like the better implementation.
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axeil posted:So is the 480 an upgrade over a 380? I feel sort of like an idiot for getting a 380 last year since it's generally been a It's faster at every resolution, so yes definitely: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/19.html
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axeil posted:So is the 480 an upgrade over a 380? I feel sort of like an idiot for getting a 380 last year since it's generally been a RX 480 performance is about that of an R9 390, so it's definitely an upgrade, also in power consumption. In Germany the 4G model is now in stock for 219 EUR, which sounds excellent.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:30
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GPU Megathread - New 480, same as the old 480
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FaustianQ posted:It in fact seems like it is GloFlops fault, according to Kyle Bennet (HardwareOCP hilariously had the most rosy picture of the RX480) 1600 mhz would make it good.
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Gwaihir posted:It's faster at every resolution, so yes definitely: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/19.html Oh wow. I have the lovely 2 GB 380 so according to this it looks like I'll gain around 30% in terms of performance at 1080p. Are the heat/wattage issues really a big deal for someone who doesn't overclock and has nothing insane in his system? $250 for an 8 GB card that gives a gain like that is a drat good upgrade. Like good enough I'd consider running to MicroCenter and getting one tonight. Or have I drank the AMD kool aid?
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axeil posted:Oh wow. I have the lovely 2 GB 380 so according to this it looks like I'll gain around 30% in terms of performance at 1080p. Are the heat/wattage issues really a big deal for someone who doesn't overclock and has nothing insane in his system? $250 for an 8 GB card that gives a gain like that is a drat good upgrade. Like good enough I'd consider running to MicroCenter and getting one tonight. I think you drank the AMD kool-aid when you got the 380 and are running such short upgrade cycles. The 480 is a fine GPU for people coming from 3+ year old things.
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axeil posted:Oh wow. I have the lovely 2 GB 380 so according to this it looks like I'll gain around 30% in terms of performance at 1080p. 100 / 63 means a 59% performance gain. quote:Are the heat/wattage issues really a big deal No, the card is fine. Just not where it was expected to be.
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Definitely wait on sapphire's custom coolers IMHO Also, didn't someone from sapphire straight up say they're putting a 1500MHz 480 out? How's that going to work??
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Has anyone tried reapplying thermal paste on the RX480 to see what that does to temps yet?
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Durr, phone posting. 59% is legit good and I'd consider it once the better coolers drop.axeil posted:Oh wow. I have the lovely 2 GB 380 so according to this it looks like I'll gain around 30% in terms of performance at 1080p. Are the heat/wattage issues really a big deal for someone who doesn't overclock and has nothing insane in his system? $250 for an 8 GB card that gives a gain like that is a drat good upgrade. Like good enough I'd consider running to MicroCenter and getting one tonight. The 2 GB 380 is pretty meh. I'd definitely wait for an aftermarket 480 and run it longer than you have that 380 if you really want to go that route. It's not the same good buy it could be if you were on a weaker card. OTOH, if you're actively running into a memory wall in some of your games, I'd strongly consider upgrading from it once the better cooled cards/1060 drop.
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When they are measuring power at the PCI-E Slot, how in the heck are they doing that exactly? I can understand the system level power draw total just swapping the cards and measuring the entire system usage. (which also may show more power draw for a total system when it's Nvidia vs AMD due to the AMD Driver overhead possibly pushing the CPU harder for the same scene). Also the stock AMD cooler does look like it is another revisit of the drat 3870 days with that not full copper cooler. Man if they could eventually just throw some R&D at the stock cooler and let that cooler be the standard for all their future cards rather than using essentially the cheapest aluminum block with a copper slug they can get their hands on. Then again it also is the "480" this isn't the old 4870/5870 days where the X8XX) numbers were the High End, so outside of the power usage, this X8X series seems to actually have some grunt that I never saw with the 280/380 cards. If the AIB can infact push 1400-1600mhz on a custom cooler that can reign the temps down to 70C or lower all maxed out quietly, this thing may actually not be a completely terrible card for the $200 range. I guess time will tell as drivers and the hardware matures a bit.
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FaustianQ posted:Yea, again as I posted earlier, sounds like a gently caress up either in the BIOS or a driver issue, either causing misallocation of where it draws power, or simply that's drawing way too much for a given scenario. rumor on anandtech is the review models of the 480 have a unique BIOS that lets it switch between 4GB and 8GB, so they can bench both models with one card. that could be the issue.
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wicka posted:rumor on anandtech is the review models of the 480 have a unique BIOS that lets it switch between 4GB and 8GB, so they can bench both models with one card. that could be the issue. They outright said that on reddit.
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EdEddnEddy posted:When they are measuring power at the PCI-E Slot, how in the heck are they doing that exactly? They put a special riser between the card and motherboard that has current shunts on the power lines, and measure the voltage drop over them with a multimeter.
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axeil posted:So is the 480 an upgrade over a 380? I feel sort of like an idiot for getting a 380 last year since it's generally been a The 380 is indeed a super meh card, particularly the 2GB. It's an upgrade, but I would wait another 2 weeks to see what the 106) has to offer. It will probably be faster and cooler at $50 extra cost or so. The RX 480 is frankly just not a very good card. The 380 will do FreeSync, and FYI G-Sync is the better (and more expensive) implementation. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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axeil posted:Oh wow. I have the lovely 2 GB 380 so according to this it looks like I'll gain around 30% in terms of performance at 1080p. Are the heat/wattage issues really a big deal for someone who doesn't overclock and has nothing insane in his system? $250 for an 8 GB card that gives a gain like that is a drat good upgrade. Like good enough I'd consider running to MicroCenter and getting one tonight. Well, don't run out and buy one RIGHT NOW, wait a couple weeks for non-reference cards with better coolers to come out.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:1600 mhz would make it good. Looking at Gamers Nexus, it looks like the RX480 and GTX970 are clock for clock similar performance, the RX480 sometimes leaping a bit ahead. So a 1500Mhz card should be consistently, what Fury levels? 1600Mhz nipping on a Fury X? Likely for something stupid like 230W. EDIT: At 1080p of course, as the 32ROPs seem to kill any potential this card has at higher resolutions. The ROP difference is likely why it can't catch a 390X stock to stock.
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xthetenth posted:Durr, phone posting. 59% is legit good and I'd consider it once the better coolers drop. Yeah I got into trouble as my old card up and died on me so I was forced to either shell out a lot for a new Nvidia card that seemed silly for 1080p gaming or try and go cheap with AMD. I clearly chose poorly  And yeah, the RIGHT NOW bit was hyperbole. I'd wait for a non-reference cooler since it's a no-brainer. Although given my 380 experience I'm now super hesitant about pulling the trigger on any new card. Maybe I should wait another year? I have no idea any more.
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1.7x efficient* *than a Fury X axeil posted:Although given my 380 experience I'm now super hesitant about pulling the trigger on any new card. Maybe I should wait another year? I have no idea any more.  Fallorn posted:I have bad opinions and think the 480 is perfectly fine for a $200 card to play most games.
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I have bad opinions and think the 480 is perfectly fine for a $200 card to play most games.
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axeil posted:Yeah I got into trouble as my old card up and died on me so I was forced to either shell out a lot for a new Nvidia card that seemed silly for 1080p gaming or try and go cheap with AMD. I clearly chose poorly Yea I'd just wait longer. Especially if you're just sitting at 1920 * 1080.
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axeil posted:Although given my 380 experience I'm now super hesitant about pulling the trigger on any new card. Maybe I should wait another year? I have no idea any more. We're not likely to see a bigger leap than we see now due to the process shrink, though.
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repiv posted:They put a special riser between the card and motherboard that has current shunts on the power lines, and measure the voltage drop over them with a multimeter. Wouldn't it be more reliable and likely for them to measure the amps flowing through? I managed to find another computer that has enough juice to test my busted 7870 and it has the exact same failure mode on that computer's D-sub monitor. So the good news is that it's probably not my motherboard and that my old 4850 is just also busted. Now it turns out the 480 is a bit of a letdown and I'm seriously considering going for a 1070 instead. Because, even though I was more than ready to stretch my 7870 for a while longer (at 1080p), if I'm buying some new card I want to at least get something actually good. What are brands to look out for/avoid on the Nvidia side of things (in Europe/NL)? And are prices expected to drop at all because everything seems to be around € 520+ and that's "I'll tough it out a bit longer on Intel HD Graphics 2500" money.   My only other hope is the 1060, but that's also waiting at least a month for non-reference coolers to come out and I wanna play computer games again. 
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I mean, just wait a few months for prices to settle, custom coolers to come out, review sites to compare aftermarket cards, see what price the 1060 gets released at, etc. A 380 isn't so cripplingly old that it's really demanding an upgrade just to play games. There's definitely not going to be any more huge jump any time soon though, no.
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KingKapalone posted:You can backorder the Gigabyte G1 1070 now if you are getting sick of trying to buy the 1 that ever comes in stock. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871 Is this one of the best 1070 choices out there? There are so many options and I feel really silly that I can't tell the difference between one and the other.
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TroubledWaters posted:Is this one of the best 1070 choices out there? There are so many options and I feel really silly that I can't tell the difference between one and the other. Clocks are good but IIRC when they tested the 1080 version of that card the cooler was rather noisy.
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