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Electromax posted:Well I googled "japan idol industry" expecting to see some articles about those skeevy anime statuettes, and ended up with my brow even more furrowed than before. It's the same with K-pop idols. East Asia is weird like that
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Schwarzwald posted:I didn't seek it out beyond playing the game with cut scenes turned on. It's actually in the game itself. If you're talking about the lengthy torture sequence then I'd call that more comical than loathsome.
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Jun 29, 2016 16:58
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IronicDongz posted:dumb grimdark cutscenes is probably not what they were referring to with "something truly loathsome" Oxxidation posted:If you're talking about the lengthy torture sequence then I'd call that more comical than loathsome. Loathsome might not be the right word, but it left me deeply uncomfortable.
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Electromax posted:Well I googled "japan idol industry" expecting to see some articles about those skeevy anime statuettes, and ended up with my brow even more furrowed than before. It's a little more nuanced than that, and it's actually a pretty broad generalization at this point. Not entirely inaccurate, but not off-the-mark for the standard either. Mega Man games.
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Jun 29, 2016 17:23
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what if dr. wily was an idol
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Jun 29, 2016 17:24
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The Colonel posted:dr. wily was an idol Fixed it for you.
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Jun 29, 2016 17:27
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someone get me a picture of dr. wily singing into a microphone while wearing a cute outfit
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Jun 29, 2016 17:29
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The Colonel posted:someone get me a picture of dr. wily singing into a microphone while wearing a cute outfit  
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Jun 29, 2016 17:33
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Just play the mode that automatically skips all the cutscenes like a normal person and quit bitching. It's an indie game with good gameplay but an amateur story, who cares?
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Jun 29, 2016 17:56
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cinderella girls is a deeply nuanced character study that also has a cat girl who says nya. 10/10
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Jun 29, 2016 18:21
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Well this thread certainly went somewhere. Dr. Wily #1 waifu. 
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Jun 29, 2016 21:15
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Dr. Wily having fun with Dr. Eggman was literally the best part about Worlds Collide. It's such a shame that Worlds Unite was so bad. 
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Screaming Idiot posted:Dr. Wily having fun with Dr. Eggman was literally the best part about Worlds Collide. It's such a shame that Worlds Unite was so bad. When has a crossover ever been good?
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Jun 29, 2016 22:20
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LemonLimeTime posted:When has a crossover ever been good? 
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LemonLimeTime posted:When has a crossover ever been good? Worlds Collide was actually really, really well-done. It didn't hurt that they ditched all the crappy comic elements (no Freedom Fighters from Sonic, no Emerald Spears from Megaman) and focused a lot on Eggman and Wily chewing the scenery and hamming it up the way only wacky mad scientists can. The double-page spread of Sonic punking the hell out of Quickman (and questioning the reason for Strikeman's existence) only made it sweeter. Seriously, Worlds Collide is full of great visual gags that alone make it worth a read. Wolrds Unite, however, was just garbage.
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LemonLimeTime posted:When has a crossover ever been good? 
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Jun 29, 2016 23:00
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It's me. I'm the one who played Freedom Planet in story mode and unironically enjoyed it. Were everyone else's childhood saturday morning cartoons less violent than mine, or something?
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Jun 29, 2016 23:11
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Freedom Planet's story mode is good, because it has Dan McNeely.
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LemonLimeTime posted:When has a crossover ever been good? uh well there's this one game that you might've heard of, it's called "Super Bash Sisters" or something like that... Katsuma posted:It's me. I'm the one who played Freedom Planet in story mode and unironically enjoyed it. tone shift is a balancing act, freedom planet loses its balance pretty quickly Augus fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 23:18
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freedom planet wasn't good but it didn't seem especially darker than the sonic cartoon with jim cummings as eggman
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Jun 29, 2016 23:19
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the torture scene is, uh, pretty weird the main character is just kind of poo poo on pretty hard for that chunk of the game and it's not fun to watch
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Takoluka posted:Freedom Planet's story mode is good, because it has Dan McNeely. You very nearly blew my mind in a "Holy poo poo, REALLY?!" sort of way, but then I remembered that Dan Mcneely and Brad Neely are different. Freedom Planet's writing is weirdly paced and poorly edited and amateurishly hamfisted in its implementation of uh... pathos, I guess, but I liked it anyways. It was charming enough that I could forgive its flaws and enjoy it for what it wanted to be.
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Augus posted:uh well there's this one game that you might've heard of, it's called "Super Bash Sisters" or something like that... Does Smash really count as a crossover though? Usually I think of a crossover as the story lines coming together and, if I'm remembering right, the "story" for Smash is that a bunch of toys come to life. As far as great real crossovers go, try Fresh Beat Band X Yo Gabba Gabba. Their banana song mash-up is, well, quite frankly, bananas.
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The Colonel posted:the torture scene is, uh, pretty weird More than that, it's visually gruesome. It's not just the main character helplessly tied up while the villain gloats, she's partially dismembered, there's blood. The story does kind of build up to the moment, having started out much more lighthearted only to slowly darken over the past couple levels, but even with that the scene itself is still way over the top. It's almost comically miserable, and tonally out-of-whack with the rest of the game. Aside from the time the same villain transforms player 3 into a monster, and you have a boss battle against her where you pummel her into a bloody pulp. I guess that part was tonally consistent.
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Even weirder is that after the torture scene happens, any possible consequences from it are immediately fixed no string attached and the tone goes back to being bright and happy until that previously-mentioned other sudden brutal tonal shift. So it's entirely unnecessary and is just trying to be edgy I guess? It's pretty hilarious honestly.
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1337kutkufan6969 posted:Does Smash really count as a crossover though? Usually I think of a crossover as the story lines coming together I dunno, Marvel vs Capcom is one of the coolest crossover things ever and it's got no real story to it.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Worlds Collide was actually really, really well-done. It didn't hurt that they ditched all the crappy comic elements (no Freedom Fighters from Sonic, no Emerald Spears from Megaman) and focused a lot on Eggman and Wily chewing the scenery and hamming it up the way only wacky mad scientists can. The double-page spread of Sonic punking the hell out of Quickman (and questioning the reason for Strikeman's existence) only made it sweeter. Seriously, Worlds Collide is full of great visual gags that alone make it worth a read. I've never heard of this, and I need to experience it.
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The great thing about Wily and Eggman was how much they got along. It's usual for crossovers to pair the villains but have them at each other's throats as they fight to prove who's the biggest badass but Wily and Eggman find a common bond in their love for themed fortresses, terrible names, and bad facial hair.
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al-azad posted:The great thing about Wily and Eggman was how much they got along. It's usual for crossovers to pair the villains but have them at each other's throats as they fight to prove who's the biggest badass but Wily and Eggman find a common bond in their love for themed fortresses, terrible names, and bad facial hair. In fact the reason they split is because Doctor Wily doesn't actually want to destroy the world, he wants to be in charge and be recognized as an equal to Light, whereas Eggman wants to blow everything up. Wily may be a self-centered prick, but he knows you can't run a giant robot business if nobody is around to buy your stuff. It was a very realistic way for that to happen.
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I can never un-see this, you son of a bitch. Classic villainy - Dr. Wily would be proud.
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kefkafloyd posted:In fact the reason they split is because Doctor Wily doesn't actually want to destroy the world, he wants to be in charge and be recognized as an equal to Light, whereas Eggman wants to blow everything up. Wily may be a self-centered prick, but he knows you can't run a giant robot business if nobody is around to buy your stuff. It was a very realistic way for that to happen. That and he still considers Dr. Light on some level to be his friend and was absolutely apalled and shocked that Eggman tried to openly murder Dr. Light.
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kefkafloyd posted:In fact the reason they split is because Doctor Wily doesn't actually want to destroy the world, he wants to be in charge and be recognized as an equal to Light, whereas Eggman wants to blow everything up. Wily may be a self-centered prick, but he knows you can't run a giant robot business if nobody is around to buy your stuff. It was a very realistic way for that to happen. I'd almost say the games kind of come across as the opposite. Dr. Robotnik doesn't want to destroy the world, he just wants to take it over and make an "Eggmanland". And he's not even all that evil - just kind of misunderstood and he's like a strange sort of "frenemy" with Sonic. However he is considerably more evil and insane in the comic books so that characterization fits. In the actual Mega Man games, it isn't entirely clear what Wily's motives actually are beyond his rivalry with Dr. Light and a desire to conquer the world for some reason. In the X series, Wily is responsible for Zero and the Maverick virus, and while he never shows up directly, he has a kind of ominous presence in the background. Wily always kind of stuck me as a more unhinged madman who just wanted to blow everything up. That said, I think this is all fine because there's been 20 years of Sonic comics and Robotnik's character was well established in that. On the flip side, the Mega Man games have very little in terms of storyline or characterization so the comics fleshing out characters like Dr. Wily is good.
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I guess it really depends on the Eggman portrayal, like with the whole Roboticizing deal in SatAM (I guess the early games, to some degree). That's pretty malicious. Then there's Sonic Colors Eggman and Sonic Boom Cartoon Eggman.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I'd almost say the games kind of come across as the opposite. Dr. Robotnik doesn't want to destroy the world, he just wants to take it over and make an "Eggmanland". And he's not even all that evil - just kind of misunderstood and he's like a strange sort of "frenemy" with Sonic. However he is considerably more evil and insane in the comic books so that characterization fits. Depends which version of Robotnik you're talking about, actually. Genesis-era Robotnik could be pretty drat malevolent, just look at Sonic CD. He was able to be a strong antagonist despite his dorky appearance. Adventure-era Robotnik was someone who took himself very seriously and Sonic treated him as a joke, but he could also up the ante and become a serious threat. After Sonic 06 he became more of an incompetent goofball as part of the series pushing back against the dark and edgy pit it had fallen into. And then Sonic Boom takes it even further by just making him a sitcom antagonist frenemy, because Sonic Boom isn't really interested in telling an action-adventure story. As far as I've seen, the post-Penders comics treat Eggman more like his old-school self, he's an eccentric goofball but he can and will cause serious damage if he's allowed to. Eggman's actually an oddball case because while he's gone through many different iterations just like the rest of the Sonic franchise, he's also the only example of something that manages to be consistently great (more or less) despite all of these schizophrenic changes. Eggman's just an awesome character. Wily's pretty consistent though. People didn't buy his robots or something, he's pissed, he starts breaking things with his robots and then begs for mercy when Mega Man breaks his toys. The final iconic confrontation in Mega Man 2 was him using a hologram to trick Mega Man into thinking he had turned into a super-powered alien. There's never been any effort put into showing real consequences and loss of life as a result of Wily's actions, while Eggman turns the world into a lifeless mechanical dystopia if he wins. Augus fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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If you want an actually evil Wily read the BR comics where he has become some kind of immortal robot? man who has already successfully destroyed most of the world and replaced most people in power with robots. There's like two other human villains who could also secretly be robots, maybe. And they are all? working towards something involving aliens that is never resolved.
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C'mon Augus, use spoiler tags!
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Augus posted:uh well there's this one game that you might've heard of, it's called "Super Bash Sisters" or something like that... When has a non-fighting game crossover ever been good? Sorry, fixed that.
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LemonLimeTime posted:When has a non-fighting game crossover ever been good? 
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